Test/EQ/Var/Dbol as 2nd cycle

[ajperretta]

5'8
190lbs
12-14% bf
2nd cycle (first was test cyp 390/week for 9 weeks)
been lifting for a long time (bench 350lb squat 420 before touching steroids).

Had my first pin today. I'm doing 2 pins/week to break it up into manageable doses and keep blood levels stable.

Please let me know thoughts. I'm mostly concerned with how to use HCG (if needed). I wasn't going to use HCG but I'm reconsidering it since this will be a longer cycle. I don't want my boys the size of raisins when i finish.

Weeks 1 and 2 (maybe a third week but i bloat bad on this)
Dbol 50mg

Weeks 1-14
Test cyp 420mg
EQ 510

Weeks 10-16
Anavar 40/40/40/60/60/60

PCT
I have aromasin, unleashed/post cycle, forged post cycle, HcGenerate, Nolvadex
I'll take aromasin as needed on cycle. Maybe 12.5mg eod after week 4 if needed.

weeks 14-16
Aromasin 12.5 ED
Weeks 16-20
Unleashed/post cycle/DAA
Nolvadex 20/20/10/10
After week 20 - HcGenerate


Question is if I should use HCG and how much and when? Also, pm me if you know if somewhere online to get this. My source for gear doesn't have it.

Thanks in advance

 

[joeblow12345]

First off throw that nolva in the trash its crap. Replace it with 25 mg day clomid in pct. Also the eq needs to be ran 16 weeks. As far as the aromasin goes, if your bloating now then take it. I would run the hcgenerate oncycle to keep balls plump and do the hcg blast weeks 14-18. Run the var from 12-18 and start pct at 18. Get some n2guard or forged liver while running the orals. So here is the layout.

1-14 test 500 mh week
1-16 eq 500 mg week
1-4 dbol 50 mg day
12-18 var 60 -80 mg day
1-4, 12-18 n2guard
6-14 hcgenerate
14-18 hcg 500 ius week
1-18 aromasin 12.5 eod

Pct 18-22
Clomid 25 mg day
Postcycle/unleashed
Daa
Forma

22-26 bridge from ntbm

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[EZ_E]

Way too much for a 2nd cycle....why the 9 weeks for the 1st cycle?

~EZ

 

[digit0x]

Killer. But seems a bit much for a 2nd run. You could save EQ for 3rd.

 

[ajperretta]

Why is this too much for a 2nd cycle? What benefit would i get from doing more cycles before this? I plan on making this my last cycle. I don't want everyone to look at me and assume i'm jacked on roids, so my goals will be accomplished here. I was already benching 350 and squatting 420 naturally, so my base is good. I just want one one last rockin cycle that hardens me up and puts a few extra pounds on. I really didn't like the balloon look from the first cycle and I'd like to trim down a little - hence the eq and anavar. None of my dosages are very high either, so i figured, this would be a super sweet second cycle.

 

[ajperretta]

Way too much for a 2nd cycle....why the 9 weeks for the 1st cycle?
~EZ

The 9 weeks was partially because I only planned for 8-10 weeks. I also learned that I need to have some aromasin on hand for bloating and blood pressure. I ended the cycle there and felt like I got decent gains and learned how my body is going to respond for this cycle. Got pretty much everything I need. I mostly just had issues retaining water which contributed to some rising blood pressure. Ended it to be safe.

 

[ajperretta]

Could someone pm details on how to get clomid? All I have is nolvadex and my source for gear is in a dif state where my family lives. Won't be visiting for awhile. Is there a good online source? Please pm me.

 

[muscleaddiction]

Could someone pm details on how to get clomid? All I have is nolvadex and my source for gear is in a dif state where my family lives. Won't be visiting for awhile. Is there a good online source? Please pm me.

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[EZ_E]

The 9 weeks was partially because I only planned for 8-10 weeks. I also learned that I need to have some aromasin on hand for bloating and blood pressure. I ended the cycle there and felt like I got decent gains and learned how my body is going to respond for this cycle. Got pretty much everything I need. I mostly just had issues retaining water which contributed to some rising blood pressure. Ended it to be safe.

Fair enough...

You said it your self, you have a good base. No need to go over board on the cycle...

~EZ

 

[-SD-]

Too much for a 2nd cycle. If you dont want people looking at you like you do roids, then dont do such an overblown cycle.
if your first cycle was test only at 390/wk 9 weeks, simply go 500mg/wk for 12 weeks. Its cheaper, safer, and effective since its still only a 2nd cycle. You wont have as many sides either.

Whether you are bloated up or lean mass will depend on your diet, not the amount of different roids you can cobble together for a nice sounding cycle.

 

[ajperretta]

Hey ez, what part would you cut out of the cycle? I would be willing to cut var but I really want to keep the eq. I guess I don't understand why I need to do more cycles before adding var? I really liked the profiles of both var and eq. Test worked great for me but I feel like now I want it to be my base and add eq/var to fine tune the results instead of just ballooning. I could cut dbol out too. If I cut dbol, would test/eq/var be ok?

 

[oxymoron]

If u drop the var it shouldn't be a huge loss. Just run forma stanozolol to keep any water off from the test and eat clean as hell and you'll look great after 16 wks bro. U could dial down the carbs towards the end to shred up a little more.


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[muscleaddiction]

First off throw that nolva in the trash its crap. Replace it with 25 mg day clomid in pct. Also the eq needs to be ran 16 weeks. As far as the aromasin goes, if your bloating now then take it. I would run the hcgenerate oncycle to keep balls plump and do the hcg blast weeks 14-18. Run the var from 12-18 and start pct at 18. Get some n2guard or forged liver while running the orals. So here is the layout.

1-14 test 500 mh week
1-16 eq 500 mg week
1-4 dbol 50 mg day
12-18 var 60 -80 mg day
1-4, 12-18 n2guard
6-14 hcgenerate
14-18 hcg 500 ius week
1-18 aromasin 12.5 eod

Pct 18-22
Clomid 25 mg day
Postcycle/unleashed
Daa
Forma

22-26 bridge from ntbm

NTBM REP

This is a great cycle...for a more experienced cycle.

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[ajperretta]

This is a great cycle...for a more experienced cycle.

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I can cut the dbol out if that's enough to tone it down?? I really don't care for the dbol anyways and I'm only on the 2nd day. A lot of you are saying its too much for a 2nd cycle so I'm looking for an alternative. I'm set on running eq since its already paid for and on hand. I dot have anavar yet so I can cut that but I'd like to keep it if that's not too much

 

[ajperretta]

I cut dbol out of the cycle. I hate the bloat it gives anyways. I'll decide around week 10 if I want to run anavar the last 4-6 weeks.
Cycle will continue as follows:
Test cyp 480 mg/week. weeks 1-16
EQ 510 mg/week. weeks 1-15

Sticking with nolvadex vs clomid for pct, since I already have it and responded well to it last pct. Had natural levels of test nearly 600ng/dl a month after end of cycle.
Still have hcgengerate, unleashed/post cycle, forged post cycle, aromasin, bridge, HCG for pct.

Should be good to go.

 

[EZ_E]

I cut dbol out of the cycle. I hate the bloat it gives anyways. I'll decide around week 10 if I want to run anavar the last 4-6 weeks.
Cycle will continue as follows:
Test cyp 480 mg/week. weeks 1-16
EQ 510 mg/week. weeks 1-15

Sticking with nolvadex vs clomid for pct, since I already have it and responded well to it last pct. Had natural levels of test nearly 600ng/dl a month after end of cycle.
Still have hcgengerate, unleashed/post cycle, forged post cycle, aromasin, bridge, HCG for pct.

Should be good to go.

Sorry I didn't respons sooner....like it

~EZ

 

[ajperretta]

Sorry I didn't respons sooner....like it

~EZ

No worries. I might stop back and update my progress around week 8.

 

[dylangemelli]

I cut dbol out of the cycle. I hate the bloat it gives anyways. I'll decide around week 10 if I want to run anavar the last 4-6 weeks.
Cycle will continue as follows:
Test cyp 480 mg/week. weeks 1-16
EQ 510 mg/week. weeks 1-15

Sticking with nolvadex vs clomid for pct, since I already have it and responded well to it last pct. Had natural levels of test nearly 600ng/dl a month after end of cycle.
Still have hcgengerate, unleashed/post cycle, forged post cycle, aromasin, bridge, HCG for pct.

Should be good to go.

run eq for 16 weeks... there is no reason you can't throw anavar on the back end of this cycle... it was a bit much with four different things going on but you can definitely throw it in... run it weeks 13-18... 60 mg the first four weeks and then bump to 80 mg...

 

[ajperretta]

run eq for 16 weeks... there is no reason you can't throw anavar on the back end of this cycle... it was a bit much with four different things going on but you can definitely throw it in... run it weeks 13-18... 60 mg the first four weeks and then bump to 80 mg...

Should I run test for 17 weeks so it clears the same time as EQ, can I stop them both at the same time with no undesirable consequences?

 

[dylangemelli]

Should I run test for 17 weeks so it clears the same time as EQ, can I stop them both at the same time with no undesirable consequences?

test and eq are both going to take two weeks to clear so just run them both 16 weeks... run anavar up to week 18 and then you can start pct right after you complete anavar...

 

[ajperretta]

Seems like the eq is giving me huge anxiety and BP increase on the day of each pin. I felt BP with test because of bloating and no anti Aromatase on hand (mostly due to water weight). This is different though. I'm not carrying much water at this point because I cut out dbol. It's like a crazy stressed feeling along w BP.

What's the lowest effective dose of eq I can run? I was gonna cut down to 400mg and see if that helps. If no luck, I'll try 300mg/week unless you guys think that's just pointless to run that low of a dose.

Oh yeah I'm going into week three and just pinned today. Next pin on thurs. been runnin 540mg week of eq so far.