Test Enanthate With Anti-Estrogens- Are They Really Needed???

[bigAragorn]

Here's a radical thought...

How about he does a lower dose? Or adds a non aromatizing steroid? Or stays on less time?

Nah, too simple. Better take more drugs.

I agree with your ideas but i think what has irked BBkingpin and probably a few others including myself is the way you go about the advice. I mean it screams sarcasm and that is not the way to go about helping someone.

Also to be honest your advice isnt all that helpful anyways. You dont need to belittle someone with sarcasm. Where if at all did Texas Ranger mention that for his friend, cycling was not an option? No where. If he were to take more drugs would mean more than the one he already is intending (enanthate not including the possibility of an anti e). Due to your sarcasm we can only assume you suggest taking less ( "Nah, too simple. Better take more drugs." ) which in his case would be no drugs as he is only using ONE.
I mean 500mgs of test over 10 weeks IS VERY moderate and appropriate for a first cycle if you ask me (i did 375 mgs of test over 10 weeks my first cycle and gained about 25 pounds). And stay on less time............what like 6 weeks.......on enanthate......i would go so far as to say in your sarcasm you look like you dont have a clue what youre talking about.

Maybe you should re evaluate why you came back to this board in the first place, cause if its to help people you're doing a piss poor job.

 

[CanadianBro]

Some people have different priorities, I guess. I'd much rather gain 5 lbs less than have a pair of boobs a woman would envy. That's a no-brainer choice if there ever was one.

Very good point.

You CANNOT have both.

If you take an anti-e, you WILL sacrifice some LEAN MUSCLE
gains. Yes, you will hold less water however you will also sacrifice
muscle.

If you don't take an anti-e, you will gain more lean muscle mass
however there is the possibilty of unnecessary side effects.

I personally would take the Enanthate without an anti-e simply
because at that amount, the possibilty of water bloat and gyno
is very minimal. That being said, if side effects begin to show and
he is unhappy with results, he can always add an anti-e during
the cycle.

 

[OAKBOX]

I agree with your ideas but i think what has irked BBkingpin and probably a few others including myself is the way you go about the advice. I mean it screams sarcasm and that is not the way to go about helping someone.

Also to be honest your advice isnt all that helpful anyways. You dont need to belittle someone with sarcasm... i would go so far as to say in your sarcasm you look like you dont have a clue what youre talking about.

Maybe you should re evaluate why you came back to this board in the first place...

I agree. Your sarcasm is too strong.

IMO, it's better to be safe, then sorry- go with an anti-e. Remeber, slow and steady wins the race...

 

[Texas Ranger]

500mgs of Test Enanthate is a highly effective but, moderate dose. So, I told him to run Nolvadex@10mgs ED throughout to protect him from Gyno and keep the water retention down. It's not Arimidex, but it's still pretty darn effective and will get the job done. And above all, it's CHEAP!!! He'll appreciate that. The cheap bastard!!!!

 

[bigAragorn]

500mgs of Test Enanthate is a highly effective but, moderate dose. So, I told him to run Nolvadex@10mgs ED throughout to protect him from Gyno and keep the water retention down. It's not Arimidex, but it's still pretty darn effective and will get the job done. And above all, it's CHEAP!!! He'll appreciate that. The cheap bastard!!!!

First off whats up bro



youre doing a good job helping your friend out. He'll love test only as a first go and it is at a very effective dose for a first cycle. Cant be too careful....run the anti-e.

 

[Texas Ranger]

Hey, what's up, Big Aragorn!! I haven't heard from you in a while. Yeah, I'm trying to lookout for one of my buddies. I remember the way you and Big Andy took me under your wing a while back and schooled me about Gear. If not, I would of bought into the 500mgs of Test/400mgs of Deca/30-35mgs of Dbol First Cycles that's STILL being recommended. It's really a shame!! Thanks for for EVERYTHING, brother!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[bbkingpin]

Here is a pictorial of Nelson's client list:

http://www.anabolex.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=79921

 

[DTOX]

1. He's only taking 500mg/wk. Most of the medical abstracts posted regarding test usage have been 600mg/wk with zero mention of gyno side effects. Also, from the personal experiences of myself and others I don't see how 500mg/wk of Test *by itself* is going to cause gyno.

2. The dude is only 9%-10% bf! IMO that's farily lean and that lack of bodyfat is going to make it that much more unlikely that he's at risk of gyno.

3. Sounds like way too many people here haven't a clue regarding the relationship between estrogen & GH & IGF-1.

The bottom line is that if he wants to take anti-estrogens with only 500mg/wk of Test to give him "peace of mind" then by all means go for it, but realize he'sgoing to be limiting his gains somewhat.

 

[bbkingpin]

The bottom line is that if he wants to take anti-estrogens with only 500mg/wk of Test to give him "peace of mind" then by all means go for it, but realize he'sgoing to be limiting his gains somewhat.

That pretty much sums up the thread -- either use it from the get-go or "have it on hand." But don't just rely on someone's blanket opinion that there is no way 500mg/week of testosterone will cause gyno. Some are very sensitive while others are not.

 

[stonecold54]

okay if you all think nelson is too sarcastic here I will say what he was saying without the sarcasm.

My first cycle was 6 amps of sust in one month, it went
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I gained 20 pounds off that cycle and let me tell you I trained and ate like shit. but I only spent about 40 bucks for it. no anti e's used, while I did have them just in case (which is always smart). 500 is pretty high for a first cycle. so my advice would be use a lower dose and just have novaldex on hand just in case and then he will really see how he really reacts to test.