Test Enanthate With Anti-Estrogens- Are They Really Needed???

[Nelson Montana]

Here's a radical thought...

How about he does a lower dose? Or adds a non aromatizing steroid? Or stays on less time?

Nah, too simple. Better take more drugs.

 

[bbkingpin]

Let's take it one step further and say: don't take steroids at all. Stick to gut-busting workouts and lots of low-fat protein. You'll never look very muscular but, hey, that's not what you really want anyway, is it??? BTW, you just contradicted yourself by saying rather than take MORE drugs you could ADD a non-aromatizing steroid. You are so eager to lash out that you don't even think about the logic of what you are saying. Guess there really was a good reason for your tumultuous departure. You've made me a believer.

Here's a radical thought...

How about he does a lower dose? Or adds a non aromatizing steroid? Or stays on less time?

Nah, too simple. Better take more drugs.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Let's take it one step further and say: don't take steroids at all. Stick to gut-busting workouts and lots of low-fat protein. You'll never look very muscular but, hey, that's not what you really want anyway, is it??? BTW, you just contradicted yourself by saying rather than take MORE drugs you could ADD a non-aromatizing steroid. You are so eager to lash out that you don't even think about the logic of what you are saying. Guess there really was a good reason for your tumultuous departure. You've made me a believer.

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Wow, that is really stupid.

I must be on the right track when my criticisms get this lame.

 

[bbkingpin]

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Wow, that is really stupid.

I must be on the right track when my criticisms get this lame.

There is a consensus on this thread and you're not part of it. You are rarely on the right track, but always on your own track.

So tell me why "that is really stupid." Or just leave it at that and think you had the last word. Either way, I DON'T GIVE A DAMN WHAT YOU THINK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Texas Ranger]

Ok guys, stay focused. Don't get side tracked with trying to jump on Nelson. Isn't it a BETTER idea to use an anti-estrogen in conjunction with the Test, instead of the wait and see then use approach?

 

[bmit]

If you value the appearance of your face at all take arimidex, even with nolva I get moon face. Never know how prone you are to gyno. Girls will run. It really doesnt' hinder gains, it hinders estrogen and water weight. If water weight is "gains" then yea it hinders gains. Anti-e also seems to combat acne. If your friend just wants to get big and doesn't care about lookin good, then fuck anti e

 

[bigp3]

Ask my bitch titty if he should run an anti E,,,, just depends on the person,,, I get gyno nattie sometimes,,, I would say better safe then sorry

 

[Nelson Montana]

BBKingpin: That's an awful lot of exclamation points for someone who doesn't care what I think.

But since you asked...

For one thing, the "concensus" you speak of is about 6 people out of thousands. And I think half of them arent really as stupid as they come off, they just like breaking balls. Maybe you're one of them.


But back to the original point...

Adding a non aromatizing steroid in with a lower dosage of test would make sense if e is a concern. What part of that are you having trouble comprehending?

Extropolating my statements into a scenario of the absurd does not a good analogy make.

And yes, maybe he should work a little harder. Whassa matta ? Are those big bad barbells too heavy-wevy for lil' baby? Who has time for eating extra protein when an injection takes but a few seconds? And you call yourself a bodybuilder?

A beginner can make great gains with a single shot of sus a week for 4 weeks and he wouldn't need an anti-e. If you and your "consensus" don't know that, or haven't got the guts to train the way you're supposed to, then you shouldn't be giving advice. And you sure as shit shouldn't be knocking mine.

 

[Racer-X99]

Bro, I have done both..and personally it doesnt hinder my MUSCLE gains at all.(just water gains)

It keeps the water away, making me appear less bloated (smaller) and if it isnt used...he might get upset when he drops 5 lbs....but most of it will be water.

I second this. I have done cycles with and without anti-e's. For me and from my experience the anti-e's don't impact gains at all. I take a nolva 10mg m-w-f and it keeps the bloat off and even cuts me. I will never again do a test cycle without them even at 500mg/week.

You may drop weight initially like diab said, but muscle will replace the water over time. The nolva kicks water out of you like a diueretic. Not many women I know like a guy who looks like a bloated cow so why do it to yourself.

 

[bbkingpin]

BBKingpin: That's an awful lot of exclamation points for someone who doesn't care what I think.

But since you asked...

For one thing, the "concensus" you speak of is about 6 people out of thousands. And I think half of them arent really as stupid as they come off, they just like breaking balls. Maybe you're one of them.

THERE ARE MORE THAN 6 ON THIS THREAD ALONE. YOU ARE ALONE ON THIS ONE. WHERE ARE THE THOUSANDS YOU ARE REFERRING TO?


But back to the original point...

Adding a non aromatizing steroid in with a lower dosage of test would make sense if e is a concern. What part of that are you having trouble comprehending?

Extropolating my statements into a scenario of the absurd does not a good analogy make.

And yes, maybe he should work a little harder. Whassa matta ? Are those big bad barbells too heavy-wevy for lil' baby? Who has time for eating extra protein when an injection takes but a few seconds? And you call yourself a bodybuilder?

THE POINT WAS THAT NO MATTER HOW HARD YOU TRAIN AND EAT THE BODY'S SYSTEM OF HOMEOSTASIS IS NEVER GOING TO GET YOU WHERE YOU WANT TO BE WITHOUT THE USE OF STEROIDS. TAKE A LOOK AT ALL OF THE IMPRESSIVE NATURAL BODYBUILDERS. NOT TOO IMPRESSIVE!

A beginner can make great gains with a single shot of sus a week for 4 weeks and he wouldn't need an anti-e. If you and your "consensus" don't know that, or haven't got the guts to train the way you're supposed to, then you shouldn't be giving advice. And you sure as shit shouldn't be knocking mine.

HE MAY OR MAY NOT NEED AN ANTI-E. ONLY TIME WILL TELL. BETTER SAFE THAN SORRY.