test enanthate substitute?

[tempest20003]

well okay ive been suggested a dbol/test enanthate cycle, anyways test enanthate is an inject if im not mistaken, which i do not want to do, so im just wondering if there is any other test i can use oraly that will act the same? im gonna run the cycle about 4 or 5 weeks, then some clomid afterwards and then ill proably run an accutane cycle to get rid of the acne i may run into, i already have a slight acne problem and have never run a cycle before

 

[manny78]

Andriol: you'd need a shitload of it in order to be effective. So that means more expensive at the end.

Methyltest: too hardcore for my taste. bad for the liver, nasty sides.

Affraid of needles ? lol

 

[Mad_World]

You may find it odd but injectable steroids are generally much safer and have less sides than oral ones. Because of the bad image of shooting yourself peoples tend to believe that injectable AAS are worst, it's just not the case.

In all honesty, if you are a AAS virgin you will probably grow just fine on an oral cycle only, but nowhere near what you would gain with an injectable.

And once again INJECTABLES ARE SAFER!!!

You are either:

a) afraid of needles: no need to be, you do it once and realize that it's not bad ... after 2-3 shots it's no big deal. Some even look forward to injecting!

b) believe that using only oral steroids is somewhat less "unethical" than injectable ones. I understand that point of view, taking a pill may look better than injecting. However a steroid is a steroid. Be it injectable or oral, you are still using a performance-enhancing drug.

c) did not know that oral steroids where potentially more dangerous that injectables ones.

 

[Mad_World]

Furthermore, stacking two orals is just asking for liver trouble. And as manny78 stated, andriol is just not very effective (IMHO it's on par with 1-test and 1-AD which are officially "supplements"), plus it's not readily available (hard to find in North America) and it will cost you a bunch load of money.

If you really want to avoid injecting at all cost, a d-bol/1-test (or 1-AD) cycle might be good for you. Not as effective as stacking an oral with an injectable steroid, but still not bad.

 

[tempest2003]

okay, well u will proably bash and flame me fore this but my reasons for not injecting are:

1. im 18, still in school, living with parents still, if they see needles or syrenges laying around the shit hits the fan, and ill proably get kicked out.

2. i can shoot up durring class, but i can pop a pill easy between classes or in the locker room or what ever, thats no problem.

3. i freekin dont like needles at all, its just, i dunno, im a needlephobic hah even if i did just make that word up.

4. extra expenses for syrenges, needles.

5. more chance for possible contamination and infection.

 

[Krazzylad]

juicing at age 18 is just stupid.Theres all kinds of ways to fuck yourself up at this age with juice do some research and scare yourself. Also if your scared of needles dont juice bottom line.

 

[Mad_World]

1. im 18, still in school, living with parents still, if they see needles or syrenges laying around the shit hits the fan, and ill proably get kicked out.
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Many peoples on this board will tell you that until you leave home you have no business using steroids. I tend to agree, but since your mind is set ... well hidding syringes and vials doesn't take up much more space than a bottle. And on the bottle it will likely be written 'Anabolic steroid" so if they find it it will have the same effect.

You might believe that you are wise and put the pills in a different bottle (Tylenol for example) but if you parents find little pink pills in a bottle they will ask questions!

But overall, of all the excuses you gave us, this is the best one.

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2. i can shoot up durring class, but i can pop a pill easy between classes or in the locker room or what ever, thats no problem.
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With a long ester like test enanthate you only need to inject once or twice per week since it has a long half-life. So injecting once on Sunday and once on Thursday morning is good. No need to inject in school! Only orals and short acting injectable steroids (test suspension, tren, winny...) need to be used everyday.

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3. i freekin dont like needles at all, its just, i dunno, im a needlephobic hah even if i did just make that word up.
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I believe that most everybody felt that way before they started injecting. I personally can't stand to a have a nurse poke me but I have zero problems injecting myself.

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4. extra expenses for syrenges, needles.
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Oh yeah, at least 5-10$ more for the cycle, syringes are very inexpensive sheesh. It will cost you MUCH more than what it would cost you for needles to build an all-oral cycle that will be about as effective.

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5. more chance for possible contamination and infection

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If you use a new pin everytime and rub some alcohol on the injection site and the needles the chance for infection is virtually nil (unless you have low quality gear).

Furthermore, the risk of getting an infection is MUCH lower than the risk of suffering liver damage if you use two orals.

 

[Mad_World]

juicing at age 18 is just stupid.Theres all kinds of ways to fuck yourself up at this age with juice do some research and scare yourself.

I tend to agree with that. But from experience a 18 years old is just not gonna listen to logic if it goes against what he believesto be right.

Originally posted by Krazzylad Also if your scared of needles dont juice bottom line. [/B]

So true!

 

[tempest2003]

okay, well, im at the end of my list, i have a great diet for building strength as far as nutrition and proteins go, im using everything legal i can think of, creatine, edcy, an eca stack for body fat, l glutamine, i thought about andro for a while, and ordered 3 things of it, but theres a lot of people who have used it who have developed testicular cancer i have found out from using it, it kinda scares me

 

[tempest2003]

im kind of debating with my self what I want to do anyways. If i want to wait till after track season to bulk or what, because i know if i do it durring track season its only gonna hurt my times by slowing me down, im a sprinter and need to loose all the weight possible but if i could get a good 6 pac and get bigger i would trade it off. Seems like all of the as's stimulate slow twitch fibers anyways

 

[sk*]

You are looking at steroids from all wrong angles. Your excuses for not injecting are just that, excuses ... get over it and stick.

-sk

 

[Mad_World]

You are still VERY young and are NOWHERE near your genetic potential. The fact that you have "tried everything" tends to indicate that you look for the easy wait out, which probably means that you are not training as hard, or as intelligently as you could.

Furthermore I doubt that your diet is optimal. When you are in school 5-6 hours a day it hard, if not impossible to get a good meal every 2-3 hours. The cafeteria diner severely lacks in protein, fast food restaurants are even worst! I'd try taking 2-3 protein shakes with you at school and drink one at 10:00-10:30, and one at 2:30 - 3:00.

If you are not gaining strength or size at 18 years of age it's either that you do not train correctly, eat enough nutritious food or don't get enough rest (like it or not, partying and drinking with your friends 2 times per week WILL hinder your gains SEVERELY).

Now, don't go on saying that you know how to train and stuff ... at 18 years of age you don't know anything yet ... but you think you do... which is a very dangerous combination. You do not have any answers, but since you think that you have 'em you stopped looking ... get it?

Read a lot on proper training (and I'm not talking about Muscle Fitness and such magazines). Learned advanced techniques for strength gains such as cluster sets, wave loading and block periodization.

Believe me YOU ARE NOT DOING EVERYTHING RIGHT, if you did, you will still be gaining at your age.

 

[Mad_World]

Seems like all of the as's stimulate slow twitch fibers anyways
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That just make absoluetely ZERO sense!!! Steroid doesn't stimulate fibers. It increases the rate at which you body adapts to training stress by increasing protein turnover (especially protein synthesis).

What steroids will do is emplify the gains you get out of your training. If your training methods focus on slow twitch fibers (Type I) and low force fast twitch fibers (Type IIa) , for example long sets (12-20 reps) with a very slow tempo, you will stimulate gains in these fibers. But if you use training methods focusing on the fast twitch fibers (Type IIb), for example explosive lifting and heavy lifting, you will increase you gains in these fibers.

Steroids don't change the type of physiologial adaptation you body produces, it changes the rate of adaptation and the quantity of adaptation.

 

[ThickLEE]

Ben Johnson got kicked out of the Olympics for using steroids because he blew the world record away (AS A SPRINTER).
I think your a little off on the twitch fiber thing.
You just need to wait a couple years and do a little more research before the juice.

 

[thelegacy]

Dude if your scared of Andro then stay away from juice

 

[wartime100]

If you aren't ready to inject, you aren't ready for anabolics. Give yourself some more time to train naturally. 18 is too young.

 

[tempest2003]

time for this post to end, pls stop posting

 

[LftHndPwrHouse]

Shakes Head!!

You cant even tell the truth on a forum. You said earlier plz stop guys im not saying im going to do a cycle im just asking questions. Now you make it perfectly clear you are going to.

Dont juice yet. Your not ready.

P.S. Dont start asking everyone for a source. Some ppl might get upset.(You know why im saying this)

 

[Mad_World]

Juts one more thing ... correct me if I'm wrong but in an earlier post you talked about bleeding yourself to lower your blood pressure, yet you are afraid of needles ... there's something I don't get!

In yet another post you say that you wan't to use steroids so that you can win ONE race. Obviously you will know (or probably not) that for steroids to have a significant physiological effect (not talking about water retention but actual size gains) it will take some time. To improve your racing you must increase muscle strength then convert it to a power improvement and finally to a speed improvement. Steroids are a training drug, not a competition drug. You must train on them for a while to gain any form of sport performance.

Since you are a sprinter, the added water weight from the dbol might very well counteract its strenghtening effect. You'll be stonger and more powerful yes, but also heavier to carry ... so things pretty much evens out in your case.

I usually never get pissed of at peoples, especially not on an internet board. But I believe that there is NO WAY IN HELL you should juice up. You know too little (WAAAAAYYYY to little), you want to do it for the wrong reason, you are nowhere near your genetic potential, you can't even get the guts to build up a real functional cycle with an injectable (despite them being safer) and frankly, you just seem to be extremely immature.

 

[manny78]

Bro you need to do some search. You're obviously too young and unprepared for that.