Test Enan & Deca

[boz44]

First I want to say thanks to so many of you guys that took the time to answer my questions. I have decided on what to use. I have ordered and awaiting arrival. Let me know what you think and if it needs to be tweeked here or there. 31yrs old, 5'11" 170, know how to lift, know how to eat, had shoulder surgery in Nov 05 and 70% healed, herniated disc in back so I have to take it a little easier than I would like, taking Ultram pain pills to get through the pain.

Aprox. 3200 calories a day, 280 carbs, 46 grams fat, 400 grams of protein.
500 test wk 1-10
250 deca wk 1-8
AIFM 1 pump twice a day wk 1-10
Clomid 100mg day wk 13
Clomid 50mg day wk 14
Clomid 50mg day wk 15
HCG for wk 12 and part of 13
Tylers and Glucorell-R through out

Sorry, I forgot to say 12% bf and my goal is to put on as much size as possible without side effects. I also want to feel like I did at 17.

 

[sweed]

could u run the deca to 10 weeks with the test. it kicks in around week 5, so to get its effects for strength and muscle building for 5 weeks is better than 3.

 

[boz44]

could u run the deca to 10 weeks with the test. it kicks in around week 5, so to get its effects for strength and muscle building for 5 weeks is better than 3.

Yea, I should have plenty. Should I just take the test on out to 12 weeks to out last the deca?

 

[sweed]

you dont have to.. but my cycle i ran test to week 12 and i was still getting gains up to then, so you could do that. Thats prob what i would do. It could only help you.

 

[boz44]

you dont have to.. but my cycle i ran test to week 12 and i was still getting gains up to then, so you could do that. Thats prob what i would do. It could only help you.

I know I had several guys tell me not to do deca longer than 8 weeks. I'll go back and see why they were saying that. Also, I know several guys said to run the test two weeks longer than the deca. Why is that?

 

[20ss02]

I know I had several guys tell me not to do deca longer than 8 weeks. I'll go back and see why they were saying that. Also, I know several guys said to run the test two weeks longer than the deca. Why is that?

Deca has a very long half life in the body, and continuing the test will help to prevent unwanted deca side effects (limp dick).

 

[bbigkev24]

Hey bro. I would definetly run test for at least 3 weeks longer than deca. I currently running the same cycle right now.

600mg of Test E
400 mg of Deca.

I'm having great results.

 

[solidspine]

Hey Sweed where are you located?

 

[boz44]

Hey bro. I would definetly run test for at least 3 weeks longer than deca. I currently running the same cycle right now.

600mg of Test E
400 mg of Deca.

I'm having great results.

How far along are you? What other stuff you taking with it or planning on taking after it?

 

[nickdentist]

First I want to say thanks to so many of you guys that took the time to answer my questions. I have decided on what to use. I have ordered and awaiting arrival. Let me know what you think and if it needs to be tweeked here or there. 31yrs old, 5'11" 170, know how to lift, know how to eat, had shoulder surgery in Nov 05 and 70% healed, herniated disc in back so I have to take it a little easier than I would like, taking Ultram pain pills to get through the pain.

Aprox. 3200 calories a day, 280 carbs, 46 grams fat, 400 grams of protein.
500 test wk 1-10
250 deca wk 1-8
AIFM 1 pump twice a day wk 1-10
Clomid 100mg day wk 13
Clomid 50mg day wk 14
Clomid 50mg day wk 15
HCG for wk 12 and part of 13
Tylers and Glucorell-R through out

Sorry, I forgot to say 12% bf and my goal is to put on as much size as possible without side effects. I also want to feel like I did at 17.

I am running pretty much the same cycle

I am running deca at 400 mg/wk 1-10
Test e 400 mg/wk 1-12

Makewsure to run the test a couple of weeks lomger than the deca. Definitely run the deca for 10 weeks. I has awesome gains during the 10 weeks i ran deca. I also threw winny in for 7-12 at 50 mg/ed.

 

[needtogetaas]

could u run the deca to 10 weeks with the test. it kicks in around week 5, so to get its effects for strength and muscle building for 5 weeks is better than 3.

good post.

 

[njmuscleguy]

had shoulder surgery in Nov 05 and 70% healed, herniated disc in back so I have to take it a little easier than I would like, taking Ultram pain pills to get through the pain.

Aprox. 3200 calories a day, 280 carbs, 46 grams fat, 400 grams of protein.
500 test wk 1-10
250 deca wk 1-8
AIFM 1 pump twice a day wk 1-10
Clomid 100mg day wk 13
Clomid 50mg day wk 14
Clomid 50mg day wk 15
HCG for wk 12 and part of 13
Tylers and Glucorell-R through out

Hey bro, cycle looks good... 8 weeks is a decent amount of time to run deca... especially if it's your first time with it / first cycle... deca can be particularly suppressive...

My one piece of advice though is be VERY careful with your injury... "70% healed" could spell trouble during your cycle or after... you will probably feel no pain or even better than ever because of deca's joint "benefits", but don't be fooled..... too often people injure themselves or make existing injuries even worse while they're cycling... always be aware of that herniated disc... just my 2 cents... good luck!

 

[boz44]

Hey bro, cycle looks good... 8 weeks is a decent amount of time to run deca... especially if it's your first time with it / first cycle... deca can be particularly suppressive...

My one piece of advice though is be VERY careful with your injury... "70% healed" could spell trouble during your cycle or after... you will probably feel no pain or even better than ever because of deca's joint "benefits", but don't be fooled..... too often people injure themselves or make existing injuries even worse while they're cycling... always be aware of that herniated disc... just my 2 cents... good luck!

I chose Deca for that purpose. Mainly because I feel 80 years old right now. It's gonna be a battle to keep myself in check. However, I agree that my injuries will be a big factor throughout the cycle. I chose Test to offset the Deca. Do you think I should lower or raise one? I want to feel the Test as much as possibe. I am hoping this cycle helps me as much mentally as it does physically.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

you need to adjust your training so as to put as little strain on your disc as well as your shoulder. also reccomend at least 15-20minutes of light cardio to warm up as well as 5-15 minutes of very light whole body setwork with an emphasis on body parts to be trained that day (basically a ciruit type (little rest) warm up with VERY light weights)

age and injury REQUIRE more warm up and more stretching, light stretching between sets as well is reccomended

 

[boz44]

you need to adjust your training so as to put as little strain on your disc as well as your shoulder. also reccomend at least 15-20minutes of light cardio to warm up as well as 5-15 minutes of very light whole body setwork with an emphasis on body parts to be trained that day (basically a ciruit type (little rest) warm up with VERY light weights)

age and injury REQUIRE more warm up and more stretching, light stretching between sets as well is reccomended

Thanks, I will definetly do that. Other than that, you think cycle and dosages are good to go?

 

[macrophage69alpha]

looks good, though dont feel that if its not working or giving you the joint/tendon effects you are looking for that you cant change it. If something does not seem right, dont feel bound to it. People often do.

 

[galaxy]

I like how your just running the deca for 8 and continuing the test for 10. Looks well thought out. Good luck!

 

[njmuscleguy]

I chose Deca for that purpose. Mainly because I feel 80 years old right now. It's gonna be a battle to keep myself in check. However, I agree that my injuries will be a big factor throughout the cycle. I chose Test to offset the Deca. Do you think I should lower or raise one? I want to feel the Test as much as possibe. I am hoping this cycle helps me as much mentally as it does physically.

Your dosages are perfect for what you're looking for... and as macro said, you can adjust as necessary. However, keep in mind that once you're done with the cycle, the pain will most definitely return... it's the nature of the beast when using deca. I've actually used aflutop for the first time in between my last 2 cycles and it seemed to help nicely with the joint pain. You may want to consider it... good luck!

 

[boz44]

Your dosages are perfect for what you're looking for... and as macro said, you can adjust as necessary. However, keep in mind that once you're done with the cycle, the pain will most definitely return... it's the nature of the beast when using deca. I've actually used aflutop for the first time in between my last 2 cycles and it seemed to help nicely with the joint pain. You may want to consider it... good luck!

Sorry, I 'm not sure what aflutop is. I'll try to do some searches for it. If I don't have any pain while on the cycle, I can tell you it is gonna be hard to want to go off!

 

[macrophage69alpha]

reminder- its essential that you warm up extensively

 

[BOWTECH]

I would have some Nolva on hand also. I know ypou have the AIFM but I would also have some Nolva for PCT. Your choice though. Good luck

 

[boz44]

I would have some Nolva on hand also. I know ypou have the AIFM but I would also have some Nolva for PCT. Your choice though. Good luck

What would you substitute it for? Or just use it in addition to?

 

[njmuscleguy]

Don't use nolva if running deca, particularly during a cycle... especially if you're gyno-prone...it could make things worse... AIFM is sufficient during cycle.... Letro if gyno appears...

 

[boz44]

Don't use nolva if running deca, particularly during a cycle... especially if you're gyno-prone...it could make things worse... AIFM is sufficient during cycle.... Letro if gyno appears...

Got it.

 

[shrimp44]

i am running a similiar cycle
12 weeks test 8 @500
10 weeks deca 250

I need a little help when to add the nolva
I was gonna fo weeks 15-18??? @20mg a day?
should this be good?

 

[shrimp44]

also i'm thinking about adding dbol maybe 30g ed for 3-4 weeks with my cycle above, will i look too bloaded?

 

[boz44]

bump for ya.

 

[boz44]

i am running a similiar cycle
12 weeks test 8 @500
10 weeks deca 250

I need a little help when to add the nolva
I was gonna fo weeks 15-18??? @20mg a day?
should this be good?

One guy says DO NOT use nolva if gyno appears the other says use it? Running a test/deca/possibly a few dbol to kick start, which do you use if gyno starts showing up? I want to have it on hand.

 

[mikefear]

One guy says DO NOT use nolva if gyno appears the other says use it? Running a test/deca/possibly a few dbol to kick start, which do you use if gyno starts showing up? I want to have it on hand.

Well here's the problem...

You wont really know if the gyno is estrogen induced (due to the test) or prolactin induced (due to the deca)... if its estro gyno, nolva is great for getting rid of it -- if its prolacting induced gyno you can have an issue because nolva is known to upregulate the PgR.. thats why theres the conflicting suggestions.

 

[boz44]

Well here's the problem...

You wont really know if the gyno is estrogen induced (due to the test) or prolactin induced (due to the deca)... if its estro gyno, nolva is great for getting rid of it -- if its prolacting induced gyno you can have an issue because nolva is known to upregulate the PgR.. thats why theres the conflicting suggestions.

Great, just great...

 

[MR. BMJ]

Order some AIFM from the AF store. It's cheap and VERY effective.

Yes, Nolvadex could possibly make aromatization worse by upregulation of PgR like Mike mentioned. I would just save it for another cycle that does not have progestins in it. AIFM can be ran throughout entire cycle and through PCT with HCG and Clomid, etc depending on what route you decide to follow.

BMJ

 

[boz44]

Getting ready to start the cycle Monday.
500 test
250 deca
Now I have some 5 mg dbol naps. How much and how long should I use these as a kick start to the cycle?

 

[boz44]

Getting ready to start the cycle Monday.
500 test
250 deca
Now I have some 5 mg dbol naps. How much and how long should I use these as a kick start to the cycle?

Also, I just got gh. Somatropin, gonna run 2 iu's a day. Should I go ahead and start the gh at the same time or hold off til the 12 week cycle is over? Going to stay on gh year round.

 

[boz44]

Any help?

 

[shrimp44]

Order some AIFM from the AF store. It's cheap and VERY effective.

Yes, Nolvadex could possibly make aromatization worse by upregulation of PgR like Mike mentioned. I would just save it for another cycle that does not have progestins in it. AIFM can be ran throughout entire cycle and through PCT with HCG and Clomid, etc depending on what route you decide to follow.

BMJ

so AIFM for an anti E, and CLomid to regain my test levels?

 

[galaxy]

Start the hgh with your cycle and then just continue with it. Run 30-40mgs of dbol ed for 4 or 6 weeks at the beginning of your cycle.

If gyno shows up run nolva at 80mgs ed for 3 days, then 40mgs for another 3 days and then drop down to 20mgs for the duration.

Or you could just run .25mg to .50mg of arimidex eod throughout your cycle.