Test E or Winstroll?

[REGIONS]

First I have been training very seriously for about 10years and have always debated juice but managed to stay away and have ran many ph's from SD,Halo,pp,bold,tren. I am 5'7 about 195 and guess to be around 15% bf.I again have been in a gym since I was young and boxed as a child and it was a habit ever since. Diet is in descent shape and I am happy with.
Now I know it's advised for the first cycle to normally run test e about 12 weeks around 500mg.And this post is to be the deciding factor on that. However what are the drawbacks to running winstrol for the first cycle?I know about pct,used it for phrohormones.I already have clomid and some Nolva at home.I'll run protectants as well and have most of them at home.
Is test strongly advised first time out or would winny be ok?
I plan to still do alot more research just wanted to get some educated opinions on this? Open for suggestions and honesty?

 

[cobracock1979]

age? And winny would be pointless at 15%bf

 

[DSS]

age? And winny would be pointless at 15%bf

I see this a lot..."if you have higher bf%, then winni is pointless." Is this just because you won't visibly see the results due to the bf covering the muscle or does a higher bf actually decrease the strength gains and the hardness of the muscles?

 

[REGIONS]

age? And winny would be pointless at 15%bf

Sorry 25years old. Again been in gym since I was very young and took up lifting around 15 and still at it.

 

[DannoMight]

it would be better to even add a small dose of test like 250mgs if you were to run the winny. winny alone will be so so. its better for a woman to run winny by itself. but winny can add strength and help harden you up with a good diet.

 

[Chocolate_Thunder]

I see this a lot..."if you have higher bf%, then winni is pointless." Is this just because you won't visibly see the results due to the bf covering the muscle or does a higher bf actually decrease the strength gains and the hardness of the muscles?

You will lean out, it just won't be very dramatic if you had lower body fat.

 

[REGIONS]

it would be better to even add a small dose of test like 250mgs if you were to run the winny. winny alone will be so so. its better for a woman to run winny by itself. but winny can add strength and help harden you up with a good diet.

Thanks man I appreciate the input and that will be taken into consideration and possibly applied.Would running test at 500mg be excessive with it for a first time out?Yeah probably so.Thanks.

 

[DannoMight]

Thanks man I appreciate the input and that will be taken into consideration and possibly applied.Would running test at 500mg be excessive with it for a first time out?Yeah probably so.Thanks.

personally i would go for 250mg with a little winny. lower doses of 2 different compounds will do wonders!!!! most of your results will come from training and diet. the juice is merely an added bonus

 

[ironcheif1984]

personally i would go for 250mg with a little winny. lower doses of 2 different compounds will do wonders!!!! most of your results will come from training and diet. the juice is merely an added bonus

+1

 

[REGIONS]

Deffinately understand, I see it as a fix in no way.I am dedicated to training and nutrition I just started debating the next step. Good to get some honest no bs feedback that is appreciated.I may run it at 250mg test and winny. I am not jumping into it yet still absorbing what I can.

 

[the_alcatraz]

Run test prop alone for your first cycle. You will get nice gains from it.

Wait till your BF% is in the single digits to fully benefit from winstrol. Also, unless your diet is perfect, I wouldnt recommend winny either.

As for dosages, you could do anywhere between 250mg-500mg of test ew. Anything over that amount is too much for your first cycle.

I think the best advice for the first cycle is always to take test alone.

What kind of PCT do you have prepared?

First I have been training very seriously for about 10years and have always debated juice but managed to stay away and have ran many ph's from SD,Halo,pp,bold,tren. I am 5'7 about 195 and guess to be around 15% bf.I again have been in a gym since I was young and boxed as a child and it was a habit ever since. Diet is in descent shape and I am happy with.
Now I know it's advised for the first cycle to normally run test e about 12 weeks around 500mg.And this post is to be the deciding factor on that. However what are the drawbacks to running winstrol for the first cycle?I know about pct,used it for phrohormones.I already have clomid and some Nolva at home.I'll run protectants as well and have most of them at home.
Is test strongly advised first time out or would winny be ok?
I plan to still do alot more research just wanted to get some educated opinions on this? Open for suggestions and honesty?

 

[DaveTSI]

First I have been training very seriously for about 10years and have always debated juice but managed to stay away and have ran many ph's from SD,Halo,pp,bold,tren. I am 5'7 about 195 and guess to be around 15% bf.I again have been in a gym since I was young and boxed as a child and it was a habit ever since. Diet is in descent shape and I am happy with.
Now I know it's advised for the first cycle to normally run test e about 12 weeks around 500mg.And this post is to be the deciding factor on that. However what are the drawbacks to running winstrol for the first cycle?I know about pct,used it for phrohormones.I already have clomid and some Nolva at home.I'll run protectants as well and have most of them at home.
Is test strongly advised first time out or would winny be ok?
I plan to still do alot more research just wanted to get some educated opinions on this? Open for suggestions and honesty?

test E or winstrol

apples to oranges bro, those two compounds are on opposite sides of the spectrum. winny sucks anyways, i dont know why anyone bothers with that shit anymore. its expensive for the results, sides are high for the results, many better options out there. test for your first real cycle imo, prop if you can handle the injects especially if you want to stay leaner and not bloat too much

 

[2evil]

Is there something about Test that you're avoiding?

 

[REGIONS]

Run test prop alone for your first cycle. You will get nice gains from it.

Wait till your BF% is in the single digits to fully benefit from winstrol. Also, unless your diet is perfect, I wouldnt recommend winny either.

As for dosages, you could do anywhere between 250mg-500mg of test ew. Anything over that amount is too much for your first cycle.

I think the best advice for the first cycle is always to take test alone.

What kind of PCT do you have prepared?

I will probably run Nolva 4 wks 40,40,20,20
And Clomid 4 weeks 100,100,100,50
With a test only cycle at my age would the clomid be absolutely necessary?Im 25.I have it already just curious if maybe I need it even or I should go 3 weeks clomid 100,100,50?
I have no problem with test I just wanted to consider all options and possibilities before deciding. I'm am leaning toward test now as a stand alone.I have several bottles of SuperDrol (ph) laying around would it be ok to jump start the test cycle with it. I know it's popular to jump with Dbol but should I stand test alone on first cycle?

 

[the_alcatraz]

I will probably run Nolva 4 wks 40,40,20,20
And Clomid 4 weeks 100,100,100,50
With a test only cycle at my age would the clomid be absolutely necessary?Im 25.I have it already just curious if maybe I need it even or I should go 3 weeks clomid 100,100,50?
I have no problem with test I just wanted to consider all options and possibilities before deciding. I'm am leaning toward test now as a stand alone.I have several bottles of SuperDrol (ph) laying around would it be ok to jump start the test cycle with it. I know it's popular to jump with Dbol but should I stand test alone on first cycle?

Test alone would be the best, in my opinion. Others may disagree. I'd stick to test prop. In terms of PCT, I'd say HCG - even if it's only test alone.