Test E cycle - unsure of results

[cloak33]

Hey guys. I completed a 10 week cycle of Test E 250mg a week about 4 months ago. I know most people recommend 500mg/w, but since this was my first time, I wanted to ease into it.

I started out at 175lbs, eating between 4000 - 5000cals a day of clean foods. (Weight gainer was included in the cals) I could list my entire training routine if that would help, but I did train hard 5 days a week, mainly compound exercises.

After the cycle I was only up 2 lbs. To preface this, I seem to burn off anything I eat whether I'm working out or not. The only thing I can think of is that I wasn't eating enough. Any ideas?

Finally, I'd like to try something else. My goal has never been to blow up, I'd like to get to about 185, 190, and stay there. Can anyone recommend something else to try this time? I've done my research, but from all I've learned, the 2lbs just doesn't make sense.

Thanks all

 

[GUARDIAN]

Were you doing any cardio? If so stop the next time.

Sounds like u r a super ectomorph. Start with 6000 cals next time. Monitor it weekly. If u dont gain anything in the 1st week or so bump it up another 500-750cals a day.

 

[centy]

Hmmmm. Something is amiss. If you were eating those calories and training was good, perhaps the gear was shite?

 

[Faizakafez]

or ur training was shit

 

[cloak33]

I wondered if the Test was fake, but I was told it was legit. No way to know now though. I didn't do any cardio at all as part of my training.

I can't imagine it being the training itself, I worked my ass off. Regardless, I'll be upping my cals this time around.

I was wondering though if there was something else to try out this time around.

Thanks guys

 

[centy]

Sorry about the bad luck bro.

My initial internet expert opinion is that there may have been a gear issue. But who knows? If you want, post up your diet and/or training (specifics) and we'll try to drill down on things.

 

[needtogetaas]

Were you doing any cardio? If so stop the next time.

Sounds like u r a super ectomorph. Start with 6000 cals next time. Monitor it weekly. If u dont gain anything in the 1st week or so bump it up another 500-750cals a day.

sounds like it to me bro.

 

[Cauliflower Ear]

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[xrsist]

if you were taking in that many cals and training right my guess is its fake gear

 

[OMEGA]

Every OMEGA project member that wanted to gain weight did

 

[b_light]

im the same way bro i gain very little on cycle but my gains are solid.

 

[testolius]

just finished a cycle of IP test-E in late Dec...ran at about 300/wk (like you, first time, so did not want to overdo it)

started at 183, got up to about 195 and dropped to 193 when off, so as you can see, my gains weren't huge, but I kept almost all of them.

Gained almost 20% on all lifts...in fact, that seems to be the main bad side - my strength went up way faster than tendons could handle and now have sore elbows and knees.

my guess would be bad gear.

Just started another cycle at 125mg/eod test-E and I am already gaining about a pound a day - no doubt water, but I just mention it to point out effects are pretty evident. Will be going to 50mg Tren/50mg Test-P ed in 2 wks ---can't wait.

 

[02gixxersix]

I know people don't like to blame the gear for someone's lack of gains, but on your first test cycle, I think if the gear was real you would have gained more than 2 lbs. sitting on your ass eating 2500 cals a day. You would almost definitely retain more than 2 lbs of water over the course of 10 weeks. Did you have any other effects such as increased libido?

 

[Tatyana]

If you are an ectomorph (how tall are you BTW), you could have been training TOO much.

That is as detrimental to gains as not eating enough.

Even with the increased recovery period with gear, more is not always better.

Training needs to be short and intense, not hours in the gym.

Would you be willing to post up what a typical week's training was like for you with your split, which exercises, sets and reps?

 

[PhillyPA#1]

im up 18 pounds (210 to 228) after 4 weeks of test E. My sex drive is crazy. If the gear was real you would likely of atleast gained water weight rapidly. Shit I can put on 2 pounds in just a few days to a week naturally.

 

[cloak33]

Would you be willing to post up what a typical week's training was like for you with your split, which exercises, sets and reps?

This is a 3-day routine I've been following from a guy named Anthony Ellis. Supposed to be for hard gainers. Heaviest weight possible is used for all sets. Before the Test I was doing this as follows, 3 days a week and that's it. Once I started I bumped it to 5 days because I thought I would recover much quicker. Maybe I should stick to the 3 days a week.

Day 1: Chest, Shoulders, Triceps **(2 warm-up sets, 4 heavy sets, 1 burn-out)

Bench press**
Dumbbell flys (superset to failure)
Shoulder Press**
Lateral Raises (superset to failure)
Bar dips (to failure)
Tricep extensions (superset to failure)
Abs

Day 2: Legs **(2 warm-up sets, 4 heavy sets, 1 burn-out)

Squats**
Leg extensions (superset to failure)
Stiff-leg deadlift**
Hamstring curl (superset to failure)
Calves raises (2 stripsets to failure)
Abs

Day 3: Biceps, Back **(2 warm-up sets, 4 heavy sets, 1 burn-out)

Wide-grip pull-ups (to failure)
Bent-over rows**
Close grip pull-downs using lateral bar (superset to failure)
Bicep curls**
Reverse easy-bar curls (3 supersets to failure)
Abs

 

[Tatyana]

This is a 3-day routine I've been following from a guy named Anthony Ellis. Supposed to be for hard gainers. Heaviest weight possible is used for all sets. Before the Test I was doing this as follows, 3 days a week and that's it. Once I started I bumped it to 5 days because I thought I would recover much quicker. Maybe I should stick to the 3 days a week.

Day 1: Chest, Shoulders, Triceps **(2 warm-up sets, 4 heavy sets, 1 burn-out)

Bench press**
Dumbbell flys (superset to failure)
Shoulder Press**
Lateral Raises (superset to failure)
Bar dips (to failure)
Tricep extensions (superset to failure)
Abs

Which exercises are you supersetting together?

Day 2: Legs **(2 warm-up sets, 4 heavy sets, 1 burn-out)

Squats**
Leg extensions (superset to failure)
Stiff-leg deadlift**
Hamstring curl (superset to failure)
Calves raises (2 stripsets to failure)
Abs

Same here, what do you mean by superset to failure?

Day 3: Biceps, Back **(2 warm-up sets, 4 heavy sets, 1 burn-out)

Wide-grip pull-ups (to failure)
Bent-over rows**
Close grip pull-downs using lateral bar (superset to failure)
Bicep curls**
Reverse easy-bar curls (3 supersets to failure)
Abs

How many reps were you doing in the sets? Especially the heavy sets?


Did you take any other body measurements with a tape measure or bodyfat?

Did any of your lifts increase in weight?

 

[PhillyPA#1]

This is a 3-day routine I've been following from a guy named Anthony Ellis. Supposed to be for hard gainers. Heaviest weight possible is used for all sets. Before the Test I was doing this as follows, 3 days a week and that's it. Once I started I bumped it to 5 days because I thought I would recover much quicker. Maybe I should stick to the 3 days a week.

Day 1: Chest, Shoulders, Triceps **(2 warm-up sets, 4 heavy sets, 1 burn-out)

Bench press**
Dumbbell flys (superset to failure)
Shoulder Press**
Lateral Raises (superset to failure)
Bar dips (to failure)
Tricep extensions (superset to failure)
Abs

Day 2: Legs **(2 warm-up sets, 4 heavy sets, 1 burn-out)

Squats**
Leg extensions (superset to failure)
Stiff-leg deadlift**
Hamstring curl (superset to failure)
Calves raises (2 stripsets to failure)
Abs

Day 3: Biceps, Back **(2 warm-up sets, 4 heavy sets, 1 burn-out)

Wide-grip pull-ups (to failure)
Bent-over rows**
Close grip pull-downs using lateral bar (superset to failure)
Bicep curls**
Reverse easy-bar curls (3 supersets to failure)
Abs

chest sholder and triceps all in the same day? you doing to many muscles and not enough sets per muscle. I do sholders one day, chest another, triceps & biceps, back, legs etc. all on their own day. 5 excerises 4 sets eack = 20 sets per muscle.

 

[02gixxersix]

I'm going to revise my diagnosis and say you are overtraining. And drop the burnout sets they are really only good for a pump IMO which really has no benefit. You need to either find a good low volume high intensity routine, or you need to drop the number of bodyparts you are doing each day.

 

[centy]

He may very well be overtraining. But if the gear was legit, I would think there would be some sort of results. The results he got was what you would expect with no training, not overtraining.

 

[Tatyana]

He may very well be overtraining. But if the gear was legit, I would think there would be some sort of results. The results he got was what you would expect with no training, not overtraining.

I think people underestimate how detrimental overtraining can be.

It is a major stressor on the body, stress releases cortisol, cortisol triggers gluconeogenesis, which uses amino acids from muscle to make glucose, which basically means cortisol, especially prolonged cortisol, eats your muscle up.

No recovery time, miss a bit of sleep, it can really mess with an ectomorph/hardgainer.

Also, if his rep ranges were 5 or under on the heavy sets, that is for strength, not hypertrophy, so very little muscle growth.

 

[SouthernLord]

This is a 3-day routine I've been following from a guy named Anthony Ellis. Supposed to be for hard gainers. Heaviest weight possible is used for all sets. Before the Test I was doing this as follows, 3 days a week and that's it. Once I started I bumped it to 5 days because I thought I would recover much quicker. Maybe I should stick to the 3 days a week.

Day 1: Chest, Shoulders, Triceps **(2 warm-up sets, 4 heavy sets, 1 burn-out)

Bench press**
Dumbbell flys (superset to failure)
Shoulder Press**
Lateral Raises (superset to failure)
Bar dips (to failure)
Tricep extensions (superset to failure)
Abs

Day 2: Legs **(2 warm-up sets, 4 heavy sets, 1 burn-out)

Squats**
Leg extensions (superset to failure)
Stiff-leg deadlift**
Hamstring curl (superset to failure)
Calves raises (2 stripsets to failure)
Abs

Day 3: Biceps, Back **(2 warm-up sets, 4 heavy sets, 1 burn-out)

Wide-grip pull-ups (to failure)
Bent-over rows**
Close grip pull-downs using lateral bar (superset to failure)
Bicep curls**
Reverse easy-bar curls (3 supersets to failure)
Abs

No disrespect intended....... I see your training log, but how about a food log. Most people claim to eat 5k to 6k kcal a day and they are way off on those numbers. 5k calories a day is a lot of food and even if you are an ecto and doing cardio you should have gained some decent lbm. I mean what is your maintenance kcal level? Maybe 2800 calories a day. Log your food and do the math. You will probably be surprised by the number.