Test and EQ cycle advice needed

[G101]

Hi, first cycle and almost finished my second week. I am running test and eq for 12 weeks. injecting once per week. My doses are 250mg eq, and 375mg test e. I draw the test and eq with an 18g and switch to a 25g 1 1/2 for pinning. Really looking forward to seeing the results start to shiw from the eq around week six.

Questions are

How is my doseing looking, more eq or test?

I know the eq starts to show at about six weeks, but when will the test e start to show?

I have novladex, but havent taken any yet, no signs of gyno. Should i save it for my pct or take it now eod?

I have questions for my pct but will ask about that more into week 8 of 12

thanks in advance for anyone who offers advice

 

[Voijn]

i am on same cycle bro, and i cannot wait for the results to appear. I am currently running:
500EQ 1-12
250Test e 1-10 or might add another 2weeks

Remember mate, that Nolva only blocks the estrogene from binding it does not make it vanish. meaning that your testoesterone is still converting into oestrogene, you might end with "after cycle gyno"

In my oppinion you might want to add an AI "aromatise inhibitor" this will make less aromatise if any, and it will produce more gains since your test will keep high levels if not converted! I havent had enough money to buy Letro-Arimidex-ect. so ive gone with a OTC product
Formastanzol from NTBM is a top notch tropical cream that does it right
Erase is a approved product too that "erases estrogene "
Triazole has some research behind it and studies show that it does what you want it to, inhibit oestrogene and less aromatiasion

as far as your questions goes i would say that your Equipoise dosage is alittle on the low side and i would defently increase to around 400-600.

Btw. I have also optimised my diet, eating foods that "help" prevent gyno some of these sorces are also used in OTC products as extracts.. Question is if it has anything to say... its till food, tastes well, and fills me up hopefully it does have some benefit on inhibiting the aromatise enzym

 

[G101]

Ok, so 250mg is low? Should i up it to 400 for the remainder of my cycle? Do i need to change test then from 375?

Also what are the natural foods you are eating to help prevent the gyno?

 

[kc17]

I think your doses are kind of low .. inmo .. how old are you ??? give some stats age, etc, you'll get more advises that way...
pin twice a week ...

test 500 mg
eq 400 mg

 

[G101]

6'0 180 lbs, around 16% bf, 25 years old.

 

[DaBangEm]

It honestly sounds like you should have done some more research before starting your cycle. Your EQ dose is low and your test is low. You should be pinning twice a week test 250 on Monday and the other on Thursday.

You really should have done all this before you started. Whats your diet like? How old? Training? Height? Weight? All things that could help get you better information.

 

[G101]

It honestly sounds like you should have done some more research before starting your cycle. Your EQ dose is low and your test is low. You should be pinning twice a week test 250 on Monday and the other on Thursday.

You really should have done all this before you started. Whats your diet like? How old? Training? Height? Weight? All things that could help get you better information.

I did research alot before starting, but as always you learn a little you go. I keep seeing different numbers and info. Like test higher then eq. Pin twice a week, pin once. Some say a certain dose is high and others not enough.

Diet is around 3500 cals a day mostly coming from oats, eggs, milk, peanut butter, yams, steaks, chicken, greek yogurt, cottage cheese, tuna, and whole wheat bread, bananas.

Iam training on 5 days a week, in no order back bis, chest tris, legs, shoulders, calfs abs.

I cam get more eq and test, i mainly want to know the best dose in my case would be, since iam constantly hearing different info. I know my dose is low as it is my first cycle. But what should i up it to?

 

[DaBangEm]

I'm not trying to be a dick but this is not one of those things you learn on the go. It has to be precise, planned, pre bought and totally thought out. It's like flying, you don't just hop in the captains chair and take off and land on the fly. That's what I meant by more research. You are not just trying a different cereal this month you are manipulating your body's chemistry and how it produces natural chemicals. I for one had these questions hammered out before I did my first pin.

 

[G101]

I know, iam aware of the faults i made prior to starting my cycle. I followed advice from a friend, and didnt seek out every bit of info on my own before i started. Regardless iam where iam now and would appreciate any helpfull advice i can get. Thank you for your input, really.

 

[hollywoodfw]

Best advice is stop until you do more research.

 

[Voijn]

Zomg...

Honestly i have also seen different ways of cycleing and dosageing, reason is there is no Correct way.
Since Test E has a long ester imo it is best to pin once a week to keep blood levels even.

I would still go for 250test e and 400+ eq <--
people are able to gain great from only 250test e as their beginner cycle, so adding a compound more will defentely increase gains

imo its either:
250test e
500eq
-----
500test e
500eq

your eq is way low imo if you want to, you can adjust that and leave test as ure running it now.

 

[kc17]

G .. dont get discourage.. next time have everything planned out !! but now focus on your current situation ,, theres no need to be alarm..

If I were you I would do
1---12 weeks teste @ 500 mg split thursday and sunday (250mg) each time !!!
1---12 weeks equi @ 400 mg split (mix with the test (200mg) each time


bump calories up to around 4k..

 

[DaBangEm]

Zomg...

Honestly i have also seen different ways of cycleing and dosageing, reason is there is no Correct way.
Since Test E has a long ester imo it is best to pin once a week to keep blood levels even.

I would still go for 250test e and 400+ eq <--
people are able to gain great from only 250test e as their beginner cycle, so adding a compound more will defentely increase gains

imo its either:
250test e
500eq
-----
500test e
500eq

your eq is way low imo if you want to, you can adjust that and leave test as ure running it now.

Wrong wrong wrong. There are right and wrong ways to dose. Although everyone is different there are standards. What is your ultimate goal of your cycle? That plays a huge part in your game plan also. One pin a week of test at 250 would not get you very far and does not help keep your blood levels even. Don't throw words in there like esters and pretend you know what you are talking about. That's not helping anyone. I am not expert but I am also not gonna tell somebody advice like that. Let's see what the goal of this "cycle" are.

 

[RADAR]

I know, iam aware of the faults i made prior to starting my cycle. I followed advice from a friend, and didnt seek out every bit of info on my own before i started. Regardless iam where iam now and would appreciate any helpfull advice i can get. Thank you for your input, really.

G Its not too late to make adjustments,up the test to 500wk do 250mg on mon and 250 on thurs,the EQ should be upped to 400mg ,you can do this compound on one inject.

Have some Forma Stanazol For ai and PCT ,also add some unleashed to the PCT ...now you're all set.
Train hard and watch those results fly!

Anytime you have questions i'm just a pm away,always glad to help my EF bro's.

 

[ryno9000]

Best advice is to not run EQ aka the world's shittiest steroid.

 

[Voijn]

Dabangem so if i am that totally wrong why does alot of people shoot 250test every week instead of shooting twice aweek.
If i remember correct the ethanate ester is broken down by day 7-10

taken from bodybuidling.com
While most will tell you it's a waste to not use testosterone, as it will take ages longer to build proper mass, these are all points to take into consideration. Testosterone is a product that is heavily used by beginners and veterans alike and justly so. Those who fear they may never understand the proper use of ancillary drugs, may want to suck it up and invest in some propionate or suspension testosterones instead. These are much shorter acting and easier to control, but they do need to be injected once every two days, whereas this type of ester will impart great gains with a single weekly injection. Something to keep in mind.

as i said there is no correct way, 250test combined with another roid in avrige dose will make a difference... some might say 250 will not produce anything, others say that 500is a minimum. As you said, dont pretend that you know.. Well infact i do know, maybe do alittle research bro on "ESTERS"

 

[DaBangEm]

Dabangem so if i am that totally wrong why does alot of people shoot 250test every week instead of shooting twice aweek.
If i remember correct the ethanate ester is broken down by day 7-10

taken from bodybuidling.com
While most will tell you it's a waste to not use testosterone, as it will take ages longer to build proper mass, these are all points to take into consideration. Testosterone is a product that is heavily used by beginners and veterans alike and justly so. Those who fear they may never understand the proper use of ancillary drugs, may want to suck it up and invest in some propionate or suspension testosterones instead. These are much shorter acting and easier to control, but they do need to be injected once every two days, whereas this type of ester will impart great gains with a single weekly injection. Something to keep in mind.

as i said there is no correct way, 250test combined with another roid in avrige dose will make a difference... some might say 250 will not produce anything, others say that 500is a minimum. As you said, dont pretend that you know.. Well infact i do know, maybe do alittle research bro on "ESTERS"

One pin a week at 250 is a waste of time. And by your comments alone you have shown that you are bot as smart as you would like us to believe. Testosterone is the cornerstone of any cycle especially one for gaining mass. As Ryno pointed out EQ is not a great steroid. And yes, it would behoove anyone to stack depending on what a persons goal was and is. At 250, by the way you are the first I have seen recommend that dosage and say its gonna be good and you also said to pin once a week, IMO it will fizzle out and not build up the testosterone levels enough to do much if any good at all. Now, what you might be inferring is 250/ shot. Which would be 500 per week and that would be right. Not 250/ week. Are you sure you have not made a mistake in the math department? At any rate he got good advice from Radar and hopefully he will throw yours in the trash where it belongs.

 

[RADAR]

Best advice is to not run EQ aka the world's shittiest steroid.

Not sure why you feel like that towatds EQ ,maybe its the long ester,actually i love it!

 

[cmalley12]

We all respond differently to different products, steroids, and what have you... no one is the same... injecting 250mg/wk for a first timer will make a difference! (well it did for me anyway)...while 250mg/wk for a seasoned vet may be worthless... that being said i'll give you my 2 cents ....the EQ should be run @ a minimum of 400mgs for 14-16wks to see optimum results and pinned once/wk....the test E should be run @ 400mgs/wk and you can pin it once or twice a week (i would do it once)... as far as waiting to ask Q's about ur PCT i would start now... u wanna make sure you have everything on hand... i would def recommend unleashed, HCGenerate, and Phyto 347... also might wanna have an AI on hand ... i personally have adex and formastanzol for that... hope i could be of some help!

~12~

 

[Voijn]

well you surely got alot in your mouth mate...
so my conclusion was right, there is no right way. Ive seen beginners get great results from 250test, and yet alot people say that 500 is a must to optain gains from running it.

yet we have another one saying it could be pinned once per week, so if ya research alittle u´ll see that i aint the only once. I am running 250test - 500eq and lets just see how it ends up.

throw my in the garbage... ? behave women..

 

[Voijn]

Enanthate: Chemical Structure C7H14O2.
Also referred to as heptanoic acid; enanthic acid; enanthylic acid; heptylic acid; heptoic acid; Oenanthylic acid; Oenanthic acid. Enanthate is one of the most prominent esters used in steroid manufacture (most commonly seen with testosterone but is also used in other compounds like Primobolan Depot). Enanthate will release a steady (yet fluctuating as all esters are) level of hormone for approximately 10-14 days. Although in medicine enanthate compounds are often injected on a bi-weekly or monthly basis, athletes will inject at least weekly to help maintain a uniform blood level.

 

[DaBangEm]

Enanthate: Chemical Structure C7H14O2.
Also referred to as heptanoic acid; enanthic acid; enanthylic acid; heptylic acid; heptoic acid; Oenanthylic acid; Oenanthic acid. Enanthate is one of the most prominent esters used in steroid manufacture (most commonly seen with testosterone but is also used in other compounds like Primobolan Depot). Enanthate will release a steady (yet fluctuating as all esters are) level of hormone for approximately 10-14 days. Although in medicine enanthate compounds are often injected on a bi-weekly or monthly basis, athletes will inject at least weekly to help maintain a uniform blood level.

That's cool you have your opinions and you are entitled to them. I'm not even debating you on EQ. it works well for some and must be run stacked for good to great results. All of the research I have done including from the vets I either pm'd or from conversations I have had all say run 500/week. Pin twice a week to keep blood levels regular. That's me. You don't have to break down chemical compounds you googled and paste them on here for me to read. Look at Radar's reply and what he said for pinning the test, ask guys like Jmat, Nelson, Moya, CK, Arabian, Oklahoma, Need2, the list goes on. I'll take their advice over yours. Not just any day but everyday. I wish you the best of luck on your cycles and will not be responding to another post in here. I think you and I have hijacked it enough already. If you feel the need to, shoot me a pm and we can continue the debate.

 

[RADAR]

Just for the record my first cycle was Test Enanthate,after 7 weeks of running 250mg a wk, i hardly saw anything,certainly no strength gains, so i had a few more bottles i upped it to 500mg a week after 3 weeks at that dosage the results were like night and day, so run 250 if you wish but you are missing out on the full advantages of test, oh! also at that dosage not only was my strength thru the roof,
I couldn't keep my eyes off of women i was horney 24/7......


Even the chubby jiggly ones were starting to look good ....OH MY!!!

 

[G101]

G Its not too late to make adjustments,up the test to 500wk do 250mg on mon and 250 on thurs,the EQ should be upped to 400mg ,you can do this compound on one inject.

Have some Forma Stanazol For ai and PCT ,also add some unleashed to the PCT ...now you're all set.
Train hard and watch those results fly!

Anytime you have questions i'm just a pm away,always glad to help my EF bro's.

Thanks to everyone for the replys.

I think I plan on doing RADARS suggestion. Monday 250mg test e and 200mg EQ in 1 pin. and Thursday the same. I will continue my routine and post again here. I will run this 10 more weeks to total my cycle for 12 weeks.

My goal for this cycle to gain lean muscle and hold onto with the help of a proper PCT.



Thank everyone again for the info and relpys.