Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below I am having the worst pain in my elbows. I feel it during most lifts and when I grip tightly on something. I am worried that I may be getting way to strong due to the AAS that my tendons just cant handle the load. Am I right or possibly right in this diagnosis. And if so what options do I have other than coming off the gear? Thanks for your help everyone...
Tendon Pain Killing Me?
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It hurts on the outer side of the elbow. Definitely tendon. I can see the tendon running right down where the pain is. I am only running sus 500 mg/week and deca 400mg/week and Nolva at 20 mg eod now and have put on a shit load of weight as well as a lot of strength. I would think the deca would help with my joints a bit but doesn't seem to be doing so. This is my first run with AAS and am kind of worried I may be gaining a bit to fast. Should I slow down on my increases in weight when I am lifting to give the tendons a chance to catch up?? Any suggestions would be great. Thanksdanymal04 said:
38nStrong said:
I just went through the same things, and the doctor gave me cortizone shots, three times, and it did not help. i even stopped lifting for 6 months and nothing helped.
But here is what i discovered:
1. Repetetive actions make the tendons swell even more
2. You need an anti-inflamatory.
3. If regular prescribed pills don't help, Try "Zyflamend"
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* Promotes healthy joint function and normal cell growth
* Non-steroidal (easier on organ systems)
* May safely support the inflammation response system
The good thing is its not cortizone, so it is not another steroid in the body.
I found that the regular dosage does not work, it says 2 a day, i have been doing nine a day, and i am practically back to normal.
4. Avoid very heavy weights, ease off to take pressure off the tendons.
5. Stretch, and warm up, tight muscles can put a lot of pressure on tendons.
6. If you play alot of video games or use a computer a lot, CUT BACK!
7. since everything in the body is somehow connected, try a bit of massage and pressure point in your scapula, specially at the bottom towards the ribs, also believe it or not, the muscles around the inside of your arm-pit.
those muscles get so tight, due to should presses and benching that it pulls on your bis and tris and forearms like a rope. a good massage therapist should be able to dig around your arm pit around the different muscle attachment and use Neuromuscular therapy to loosen the muscles up, so fresh blood gets in and the muscles relax.
8. I take 2 advils and hour before a work out to get the swelling down, since advile is an anti-inflammatory.
9. later in the day, i take one more for its anti-inflamatory effects, but i still take the zyflamend.
10. when you use your computer, don't lean back, don't elongate the tendons, setup straight and make sure your elbows are supported.
11. stretch every once in a while during the computer use.
12. Watch pull downs, and rowing pulls, as they put alot of pressure on the tendons.
13. last but not least, when you do curls or presses, dont lock your elbows, stop just short of locking elbows.
I hope no one is pissed at me for such a long answer, but these are what helped me heal.
solidspine
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I believe you have identified the reason,
Your muscles grow much faster than tendons, ligaments and joints,
You’re on deca, so you need a different solution,
All the supplements don’t do squat, deca or npp are the only solutions,
Ease up on your routines, and change your exercises, give the sore joints some time to recover.
I have been fighting this same problem, elbows and shoulders for 3-4 months now.
Your muscles grow much faster than tendons, ligaments and joints,
You’re on deca, so you need a different solution,
All the supplements don’t do squat, deca or npp are the only solutions,
Ease up on your routines, and change your exercises, give the sore joints some time to recover.
I have been fighting this same problem, elbows and shoulders for 3-4 months now.
Reasons why joints may hurt on cycle:
1) using Tren? shit is evil on joints and not because of the Strength.
2) Using Winnie with no Deca? same thing
3) Excessive AI usage? fastest way to hurt you joint tendons for no good reason other then E paranoia
4) Yeah maybe you are getting to strong, if so just opt for higher reps with controll.
1) using Tren? shit is evil on joints and not because of the Strength.
2) Using Winnie with no Deca? same thing
3) Excessive AI usage? fastest way to hurt you joint tendons for no good reason other then E paranoia
4) Yeah maybe you are getting to strong, if so just opt for higher reps with controll.
how long have you been on, the deca should be kicking in helping out. You might want to keep it easy on the weights for now. Mod's told me here when I started making them kind of gains to be careful to not get hurt. Well second time around I got hurt the first day, nothing serious, just a shoulder injury. but you can't take off that fast as you are right, your tendons sometimes are to catch up with your weight on your body... the more you weigh, not thinking it is that much the more pressure it puts on your tendons and other joints in your body.
The only anti E I am using is the nolva at 20 mg/eod. And that is just to keep my test induced gyno under control. I am about 9 weeks in and will be switching from the Sus, Deca to 750 mg test E for weeks 10 trough 20. I just don't want the tendon pain to make me stop this cycle short at the 10 week mark. This is killer pain.lol. Ill take into consideration all of your suggestions and see what comes of this. I guess Ice and stuff could help as well? One guy mentioned taking ANTI INFLAMITORIES. Don't they hinder gains? Thanks again guys...a creed said:
samsaige said:
great information bro, I've been in the same situation before, it seems to happen when I run anadrol, I get really bad tendinitis in both arms, and the only thing that helped me was taking 800 mg ibuprophen before and after working out, and avoiding the exercises that cause pain
Good reply.
samsaige said:
Bridger
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38nStrong said:
Maybe someone more knowledgeable can support or rebutte my comment.
I don't think an anti-inflammatory hindering your gains should be your biggest concern. It even sounds like you are gaining a little too much too fast. Blasphemous, i know. Perhaps you should worry more about your tendon/joints and avoiding an injury which will keep you from working out. And causing a potentially greater loss of muscle/strength.
Its no use being big and strong(or juicing) if you can't stay healthy enough to workout properly. But maybe im wrong.
Good luck.
solidspine
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Any and all can create joint pain, if used to excess,
How do I define excess, if my joints hurt, I am using too much
Winny is a well know culprit and I would not use it without deca
I have tendon pain on the inside of the elbow (called golfers elbow) vs outside which is tennis elbow. Mine is age related, too many years of heavy straight bar curling. The curl bar helps and also I use wraps fo heavy days. Advil doesn't do shit for me. I also use alot of Tren, which some of you guys say is hard on the tendons.
nsashbl01
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List your training program. Many times it's a form issue. Little changes, hand position, angles, etc make huge differences. I have been fighting joing issues for many years, (15 or more). Here's what helps me. Nandrolone, ART (Active Release Therapy), Prolotherapy, good fats, and most of all warming up and slow progression. For example, I hit like 6 sets of easy weights before I hammer tri's, shoulders, or chest. I go very slow and keep 3-6 secs tut. I also stopped focussing on heavy weights and stick to high rep, (8-15 min) because it's not worth the stress on my body. If I dead, I may hit 4 sets before I even get to 3 or 4 plates. It's the only way I can handle it now. Good luck....
Thank you all for your advice. I think I should lower my weights and go with a higher rep count. Ill wrap my elbows and try my best to use proper form and hand position. I saw the Dr this morning and he said I have a bad case of tennis elbow! Well no shit.lol. But he gave me no real help in finding a cure. Ill try ANTI INFLAMITORIES. I wont worry about then hindering my gains as I am making great advances in body size, % of fat and most of all strength. So I will keep you all informed on my progress and if I find something that kills this pain. Thank you all for your help.....38N.....
missionpossible
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nsashb has some really good recomendations there that will work. Another thing that helped tremedously for me with tendonititis in the elbows was acupuncture. Five trips over about three weeks and then about one week later it was completely gone, weird shit, but it worked!
Sounds like tendonitis to me. In short they are injured due to strain etc as stated and aside from taking in nutrients that supply the building blocks for collagen you should take it easy and let them heal.
Another alternative I used to speed up healing to greatly reduce time out of the gym was I had prolotherapy done.
Another alternative I used to speed up healing to greatly reduce time out of the gym was I had prolotherapy done.
wellbilt
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that sounds like tennis elbow to me my man
i had that bad on my right side to the point of not being able to pick up a water bottle without alot of pain
i took a week off from training to start. i bought a tennis elbow brace whitch i thought was going to be all smoke and mirrors but it turned out to help alot
what the brace does is pin down the tendon down at anothter point so that it takes the stress off of its original mounting point at the elbow whitch is sore
i was able to train pretty hard with the brace it did help alot
i also found that really beep massages to the tendon at the exact point of pain helped
i now longer suffer from this
do a search on tennis elbow
o yea i had this before every using aas
i had that bad on my right side to the point of not being able to pick up a water bottle without alot of pain
i took a week off from training to start. i bought a tennis elbow brace whitch i thought was going to be all smoke and mirrors but it turned out to help alot
what the brace does is pin down the tendon down at anothter point so that it takes the stress off of its original mounting point at the elbow whitch is sore
i was able to train pretty hard with the brace it did help alot
i also found that really beep massages to the tendon at the exact point of pain helped
i now longer suffer from this
do a search on tennis elbow
o yea i had this before every using aas
Well I used some Ibeprophin 600's and wrapped my elbows before my chest /tri day yesterday and I think that made a huge difference. I am not as nearly sore as usual. I also lowered my weights and went higher on the reps. I feel like I can get a handle on this and work through it. Ill let you all know if I find some magical cure and until then thanks for all the input.. Good info again!!!!!!Thx 38N.....wellbilt said:
dsh89
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Do not worry about anti-inflammatories hindering your gains bro. That is over-hyoed, and it sounds like you have made gains already if your muscles are outracing your tendons/ligamnets. Wrapping your elbows is a great idea as well. I have to wrap my knees or I get serious pain from squats and leg presses. Sounds like you are coming along well. There has been some good advice in this thread for you to pick and choose from.
wellbilt
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i would keep your aniti-inflamatory use to a minimum bro
from what i understand is that aniti-inflamatories can hinder the healing process
i know for sure for me that deep masssages and heat derectly to the tendon helped alot along with the tennis elbow brace worn during training
i was able to continue training and heal up
thjis was years ago and i no longer wear the strap
good luck man it is a sucky injury
from what i understand is that aniti-inflamatories can hinder the healing process
i know for sure for me that deep masssages and heat derectly to the tendon helped alot along with the tennis elbow brace worn during training
i was able to continue training and heal up
thjis was years ago and i no longer wear the strap
good luck man it is a sucky injury
It is a SUCKY Injury!!!lol... But I worked out again today with the same protection as last night ( Wraps, proper form and hand position, etc..) and feel like with the info I have gotten here and some help from the occasional anti inflammatory I can work through it. Thanks for your help guys this was a big deal to me and was a bit freaked out that I was seriously messing myself up. I didn't want to stop with so much of my cycle left. Thanks again!!!!!! 38N....
todoveritas
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Bro, I had the same prob and it played hell with my biceps workouts. If you are nearing 40, don't underestimate the possibility of an inflammatory arthritic component. Straight bar did me in for years bc I listened to the cambered-bar haters. Threw away the straight bar; Started a Motrin 800 mg TID x 5 days (whether I needed it or not)., Added Deca 200-400 Q weekly and within 3 weeks, the problem was solved!
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