tbol update

[Throw2Far]

Underworld what were ur gains ? Im heavily considering a Tbol 3-4 weeker then about 6-8 months later using it in a Test/winny cycle...

 

[Joe Stenson]

I run 50mg/day for around 4 weeks.

Still interested to hear from yourself or bruce how that dosage compares to d-bol or var. I'm thinking that d-bol is pretty much equivalent potency, and you'd have to take double the var, no?

 

[mendo]

Still interested to hear from yourself or bruce how that dosage compares to d-bol or var. I'm thinking that d-bol is pretty much equivalent potency, and you'd have to take double the var, no?

Personally I'd say Dbol is stronger. I can't stand the sides though. I've never run Var at 100mg...so its hard to compare. I got better results from 50mg Tbol (and faster) than on 70mg Var though.

 

[stuck]

Only thing I ever noticed was that I had to increase my water intake or I would get a little lower back pain (definately wasn't Dbol type back pumps)...that prompted me to do a little research. I found out that Tbol is mostly removed by the kidneys...not the liver. So I recommend people take some cran and/or increase water intake when on a Tbol cycle.

Interesting that you found this cause I was just wondering about it. I'm getting very minor pains in my lower back in week 3, even when taking in huge amounts of water. Nothing major, but noticeable. I'll have to get some cran and see if that makes a difference. Good find, thanks.

 

[Bruce]

when i use dbol it will be 30mg ed for 4-5 weeks to kick off a deca test cycle, i certainly would not use dbol alone, trying to maintain those gains would be quite difficult. i just did it at 60mg ed because doing it at 50mg would have left me with a few extra tabs, so i said fuck it. i would have been fine with 50mg ed but hey. i said this earlier i believe you would need to run var at 100mg ed to yield the type of gains that i got, strength might be a little more attainable with that high var dose, but i still don't think you would put on the mass i did with tbol. i am a super hard gainer, winny only put on 1 or 2 lbs though i noticed good strength gains. so 7 lbs in 23 days is awesome. also var is not gonna kick in by day 6-8 like tbol, var will take two weeks mnimum for the difference to be noticed. this is much more effective imo if you want quick results, no sides. no gyno, acne, the only thing as mendo said, (i thought i was straining my back with the new weight), is lower back pain which must be kidneys, however, i think earlier in the thread i mentioned it and upped my intake a half gallon, been no problems since, that was early on. i also drink pure cran by the bottle which helps. if you want to do dbol i think test is necessary for 10-12 weeks, either that or a serious pct and all of the sides that can come with dbol must be considered. now tbol is like taking var with regard to sides and pct thus you don't need a serious pct with hcg and i do not feel that i am going to have a mood swing when i come off. plus you gotta love the libido from this shit

 

[Joe Stenson]

i certainly would not use dbol alone, trying to maintain those gains would be quite difficult.

Once and for all (well not actually, obviously people will continue to propagate this myth), MUSCULAR gains from d-bol are exactly the same as from any other steroid. Losing water does not = losing gains.

also var is not gonna kick in by day 6-8 like tbol, var will take two weeks mnimum for the difference to be noticed.

What effect are you referring to here? I notice strength gains off var after a couple of days, a week tops.

Thanks for the insight though, bro.

 

[wwebound4life]

Hey, do you think adding in provorin at 50mg. ED would be good or a waste of time when running a tball only cycle? Seems it would be good to up your androgen level a bit, yeah???


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[Bruce]

Once and for all (well not actually, obviously people will continue to propagate this myth), MUSCULAR gains from d-bol are exactly the same as from any other steroid. Losing water does not = losing gains.



What effect are you referring to here? I notice strength gains off var after a couple of days, a week tops.

Thanks for the insight though, bro.

ive never heard of var kickin in that fast, dbol has a lot of sides that require anti e's and serious pct, that is what i am referring to. i did not say the gains would be all lost i said the pct would be a bitch and you feel like shit coming off it

 

[Joe Stenson]

ive never heard of var kickin in that fast, dbol has a lot of sides that require anti e's and serious pct, that is what i am referring to. i did not say the gains would be all lost i said the pct would be a bitch and you feel like shit coming off it

Fair enough about the d-bol. Thanks for clearing that up, bro.

As for the var, it's an oral steroid. I think it's safe to say most orals don't take long to kick in, hence the reason we use them to kickstart a cycle.

 

[bnutty187]

Congrats with the gains so far and just gotta say I'm interested in hearing how the rest of it goes.

I have a question, do you guys think tbol would help me kick off a 15 week cycle of test/eq instead of using dbol and watching all my hair go down the drain? Dbol is great but it really makes me shed as I have had a run in with it awhile back(can you tell i'm not a big fan). Would there be any reason to use dbol over tbol?

Also does propecia affect tbol in anyway that you guys know of or vice versa?