Talk me into 5x5 workouts

[FFQuads]

Here is my workout...I'm sure I will get flamed for not doing 5x5s but I have been training this way for years. I change exercises every 4-6 wks. To be honest....I afraid to change it. I get great results from what I do. So, have a look at my stats. and training and let me know what you think. You can find some pictures of me on the first page of the members pics. threads. They are a bit old and I have lost some weight. I will be starting a bulk cycle Sept. 1st.

I am a Firefighter so the Monday-Friday schedule does not work for me. I just train on my days off and while on duty if there is a workout that I can do at the station....I do it. Thanks..........and don't forget - MEATHEADS only please. I want some FREAKS telling me what to do or change

Stats:
5 ft. 7 inch.
184 lbs.
bf ???

Max:
Bench - 315 lbs.
DL in diamond - about 500-550 lbs.
Squat - about 475 lbs....maybe more???


chest:
flat bench - 4 sets 6-8 reps
incline bench - 4 sets 6-8 reps
fly - 4 sets 6-8 reps

back:
DL - 4 sets 6-8 reps
lat pulls - 4 sets 6-8 reps
T-bar rows - 4 sets 6-8 reps
DB rows - 4 sets 6-8 reps

legs:
squats - 4 sets 6-8 reps
straight leg DL - 4 sets 6-8 reps
leg press - 4 sets 6-8 reps
leg curls - 4 sets 6-8 reps
leg ext - 4 sets 6-8 reps
calves - 4 sets 6-8 reps

shoulders:
free BB press - 4 sets 6-8 reps
delt raises, lateral and post - 4 sets 6-8 reps
shrugs - 4 sets 6-8 reps
DB press - 4 sets 6-8 reps

arms:
close grip BB press - 4 sets 6-8 reps
straight BB curls - 4 sets 6-8 reps
cable push downs - 4 sets 6-8 reps
DB curls - 4 sets 6-8 reps

 

[al420]

does not seem like enought sets to me!!!!!!!!!! - and aren't you a bit tall to be a BB?

 

[mekannik]

engage: rant
Rudeness level: 4

Talk you into a different program?? What - are you someone special? We need to waste our time because you are too busy or illiterate to read the hundreds of other posts/stickies regarding 5x5? Get lucid....

5x5 is a program. Are you stale with you current one? Are you happy with your massive 315 bench? Are your biceps thunderous and chest cleavage rivaling that of Jenna Jameson? Can you deadlift with a straight bar?

Jesus H. on a pogo stick. Meatheads and freaks need only reply?? If that was not a joke on your part - it should have been.


Go to www.crossfit.com - that is supposed to be the end all, be all for firefighers, cops, soldiers, blah, blah, blahs.


disengage: rant
Rudeness level: normal

 

[BiggT]

FF, it isn't so much the program or the layout that is important, and that isn't even the reason that the '5x5' info. is posted on this site. The important thing is that the compound lifts improve and you eat enough calories. You start all of your days with a big lift, and probably train it progressively, meaning using more weight for the same sets/reps....or more sets/reps with the same weight. Thats how you progress. Thats how everybody progresses. You seem to be doing that now, which is why you have come a ways with your training.

In my opinion, all the extra accessory work done simply for the sake of doing it is not necessary and is a waste of time. In strength training (the 5x5 is just 1 example of a solid layout) the assistance is cut down and only used if and when weaknesses arise in lifters who can no longer progress linearly. The rest of the days are spent adding frequency to the big lifts, whether it be for 'practice' or for upping weekly/monthly workload. Instead of spending time on things that really don't make you big and strong and only are a little bit of metabolic work and comprise maybe .001% of your gains (leg extensions, flyes, lateral raises, crossovers etc etc), the idea is to train movements and not bodyparts and fill in time spent training fluff stuff with more frequency on the big lifts, getting better at big lifts means more muscle. Thats the idea in a nutshell.

If you're happy with you're progress and you feel you are still progressing, then no need changing what isn't broken, if curiosity is getting the better of you and you have no problem making some changes, try it, it certainly won't hurt you, and training in that manner certainly packs on muscle, naturally, to athletes all over the world.

One thing I can guarantee you is this : You have gotten the results you have from improving your bench, squat, deadlift, and military press.....you'd be surprised at how little of a role the lateral raises, flyes, arm workouts etc played.

 

[Madcow2]

Just to add to what Biggt said:

If your program is working - don't touch it until it doesn't.

The best way to verify progress is a benchmark core lift(s). Is your best set of X on the squat, bench, row, dead, overhead better now than it was some time ago. This is how you tell whether something worked or not.

Bottom line, people swap exercises and rep ranges around all the time and play the acclimation and reacclimation game, if you change something or lifts and it is fundamentally effective it will impact the core lift performance when you go back to it. So for example, you squat 350x5 and then drop or minimize squatting for a bit and work on your leg press and all kinds of other stuff increasing their weight over 4-6 weeks. The telltale sign of progress is in moving back to the squat and after a few weeks of reacclimation improving that best set of 5 performance by some margin. If that doesn't happen - guess what, you are spinning your wheels and creating the illusion of progress but simply acclimating, deacclimating, and reacclimating to different means of training.

So if that's happening and your core lifts routinely move north with predictability and rate, good enough. All programming is just a means of going about adding weight to the bar. The whole 5x5 thing is just teaching training theory and programming and how it changes and adapts with the trainee at various points of experience. I don't see much programming or application going on in your example but honestly if the end result is being accomplished - whatever is happening is good enough and you seem to be happy with it. If you get bored or eventually stall out, maybe try something else. If you wanted to get an understanding in advance there's a ton of info on my site, maybe spend some time reading the "essential" marked training theory subjects. You'll get more out of that than reading BBing boards for years and you'll be ready to apply some of it when your programing does eventually stall out. That would be the most optimal use of your time and you'll be able to see exactly what is going on in the two sample 5x5 programs that is putting this to work. But do remember, there is no golden program - there is only progression and methods of going about getting it that may or may not be effective for a given trainee at a given point in time at a given experience level. http://www.geocities.com/elitemadcow1/table_of_contents_thread.htm

 

[FFQuads]

engage: rant
Rudeness level: 4

Talk you into a different program?? What - are you someone special? We need to waste our time because you are too busy or illiterate to read the hundreds of other posts/stickies regarding 5x5? Get lucid....

5x5 is a program. Are you stale with you current one? Are you happy with your massive 315 bench? Are your biceps thunderous and chest cleavage rivaling that of Jenna Jameson? Can you deadlift with a straight bar?

Jesus H. on a pogo stick. Meatheads and freaks need only reply?? If that was not a joke on your part - it should have been.


Go to www.crossfit.com - that is supposed to be the end all, be all for firefighers, cops, soldiers, blah, blah, blahs.


disengage: rant
Rudeness level: normal

Thanks for the help.....you must be a huge guy or some idiot with a keyboard. Answer to your question.....bench - never have tried to get it up. Now I am and will be over 375 lbs. in 3 months. DL with straight bar...sure.....or a 66 Caddy if that was what you wanted. Not bad for 183 lbs guy that just started DL 3 months ago. I sure like your pics. and help...piss off.

 

[FFQuads]

FF, it isn't so much the program or the layout that is important, and that isn't even the reason that the '5x5' info. is posted on this site. The important thing is that the compound lifts improve and you eat enough calories. You start all of your days with a big lift, and probably train it progressively, meaning using more weight for the same sets/reps....or more sets/reps with the same weight. Thats how you progress. Thats how everybody progresses. You seem to be doing that now, which is why you have come a ways with your training.

In my opinion, all the extra accessory work done simply for the sake of doing it is not necessary and is a waste of time. In strength training (the 5x5 is just 1 example of a solid layout) the assistance is cut down and only used if and when weaknesses arise in lifters who can no longer progress linearly. The rest of the days are spent adding frequency to the big lifts, whether it be for 'practice' or for upping weekly/monthly workload. Instead of spending time on things that really don't make you big and strong and only are a little bit of metabolic work and comprise maybe .001% of your gains (leg extensions, flyes, lateral raises, crossovers etc etc), the idea is to train movements and not bodyparts and fill in time spent training fluff stuff with more frequency on the big lifts, getting better at big lifts means more muscle. Thats the idea in a nutshell.

If you're happy with you're progress and you feel you are still progressing, then no need changing what isn't broken, if curiosity is getting the better of you and you have no problem making some changes, try it, it certainly won't hurt you, and training in that manner certainly packs on muscle, naturally, to athletes all over the world.

One thing I can guarantee you is this : You have gotten the results you have from improving your bench, squat, deadlift, and military press.....you'd be surprised at how little of a role the lateral raises, flyes, arm workouts etc played.

Good info...thanks. I am on the edge of changing to the 5x5 workout but it's just hard to change sometimes. I think I might like it and I have a good feeling I might be over training as is. Thanks...

 

[FFQuads]

Just to add to what Biggt said:

If your program is working - don't touch it until it doesn't.

The best way to verify progress is a benchmark core lift(s). Is your best set of X on the squat, bench, row, dead, overhead better now than it was some time ago. This is how you tell whether something worked or not.

Bottom line, people swap exercises and rep ranges around all the time and play the acclimation and reacclimation game, if you change something or lifts and it is fundamentally effective it will impact the core lift performance when you go back to it. So for example, you squat 350x5 and then drop or minimize squatting for a bit and work on your leg press and all kinds of other stuff increasing their weight over 4-6 weeks. The telltale sign of progress is in moving back to the squat and after a few weeks of reacclimation improving that best set of 5 performance by some margin. If that doesn't happen - guess what, you are spinning your wheels and creating the illusion of progress but simply acclimating, deacclimating, and reacclimating to different means of training.

So if that's happening and your core lifts routinely move north with predictability and rate, good enough. All programming is just a means of going about adding weight to the bar. The whole 5x5 thing is just teaching training theory and programming and how it changes and adapts with the trainee at various points of experience. I don't see much programming or application going on in your example but honestly if the end result is being accomplished - whatever is happening is good enough and you seem to be happy with it. If you get bored or eventually stall out, maybe try something else. If you wanted to get an understanding in advance there's a ton of info on my site, maybe spend some time reading the "essential" marked training theory subjects. You'll get more out of that than reading BBing boards for years and you'll be ready to apply some of it when your programing does eventually stall out. That would be the most optimal use of your time and you'll be able to see exactly what is going on in the two sample 5x5 programs that is putting this to work. But do remember, there is no golden program - there is only progression and methods of going about getting it that may or may not be effective for a given trainee at a given point in time at a given experience level. http://www.geocities.com/elitemadcow1/table_of_contents_thread.htm

Well said. I'm starting a bulking cycle in about 40 days and will be trying for the first time to truely bring my max(s) up on core lifts. In the past I have always lifted well and made good gains but I really have never tried to get really strong.....I think it's time. BB has always been my goal and the strength I have has just come with it. Now I will be working on strength as well!

 

[Madcow2]

Very simply, a bigger muscle is a stronger muscle. The adaptation you are looking for is a stronger muscle and it is induced by increased demands on the body's muscular system. Granted, we aren't talking pure neural demands but....yeah - we are talking strength performance and capacity just not 1RM or ultra heavy triples and doubles (and these are still good for hypertrophy, the issue is you can't do enough volume with them or withstand those types of efforts on a consistent basis - think Westside powerlifters rotating max effort lifts and all of the supplemental workload they do in 50-80% range).

So, strength is still the key to increasing muscle - don't think it's not, we just don't want to devote all of our training to the extreme end of the spectrum (even dedicated powerlifting programs don't except perhaps immediately preceding competition adn that's generally to peak specific strength while allowing the body to recover from fatigue induced from earlier training).

However, don't think that neural factors in pure strength and nervous system efficiency are totally separate from hypertrophy . Progressive loading is the key to hypertrophy but enhancing neural efficiency can facilitate this process to a very significant degree. Think about Newbie gains and this is the key right here, rapidly developing neural capacity driving progressive loads and hypertrophy. Multiple sets of 5 reps tend to wind up around 80-85% and this is a good area that handles hypertrophy and neural components as well as significant overall tonnage with 25 reps. Basically you want to increase the weights over a period, the best way to do this is to leverage neural factors as well as that new muscle you are building which results in the ability to continue progression well past the point and for longer than where pure incremental muscle gain might take you. The net result = more muscle.

In a sense, the fastest path between 2 points is not always a straight line as obtacles often materialize that are best skirted around rather than bored through. Even someone interested in pure hypertrophy should be including significant emphasis on the neural component in their long term plans. This is also why a high volume low intensity (%1RM) plan works wonders for hypertrophy after a lower volume higher intensity phase. It is not that either of these regimines are golden program but merely that it is faster to tack into the wind covering more distance rather than trying to sail straight into it and making very slow progress.

So when you see '5x5' here or people using that style of program and training, this is really the jist. They are not doing it because it's a golden program, but they are systemactically increasing their capacities on the core lifts. It is the system and methodology that is the difference between a program and a routine where one just goes into the gym, does some stuff, and hopes to get better for it. Working hard is nice but working smart makes sure all that hard work is in the right direction. First set up a smart reasonable plan then work hard at it. If hard work is 5 steps than you are likely getting 4-5 steps forward if you bust your ass. If you just work hard at random stuff without a good plan, you get 1 back, 2 left, and 2 forward for a single step forward net. So someone working less hard but very smart may still outpace you if all of his 2 steps are forward.

That is the proper understanding. But basically, get big lifts up and eat to move the scale.

 

[FFQuads]

Very simply, a bigger muscle is a stronger muscle. The adaptation you are looking for is a stronger muscle and it is induced by increased demands on the body's muscular system. Granted, we aren't talking pure neural demands but....yeah - we are talking strength performance and capacity just not 1RM or ultra heavy triples and doubles (and these are still good for hypertrophy, the issue is you can't do enough volume with them or withstand those types of efforts on a consistent basis - think Westside powerlifters rotating max effort lifts and all of the supplemental workload they do in 50-80% range).

So, strength is still the key to increasing muscle - don't think it's not, we just don't want to devote all of our training to the extreme end of the spectrum (even dedicated powerlifting programs don't except perhaps immediately preceding competition adn that's generally to peak specific strength while allowing the body to recover from fatigue induced from earlier training).

However, don't think that neural factors in pure strength and nervous system efficiency are totally separate from hypertrophy . Progressive loading is the key to hypertrophy but enhancing neural efficiency can facilitate this process to a very significant degree. Think about Newbie gains and this is the key right here, rapidly developing neural capacity driving progressive loads and hypertrophy. Multiple sets of 5 reps tend to wind up around 80-85% and this is a good area that handles hypertrophy and neural components as well as significant overall tonnage with 25 reps. Basically you want to increase the weights over a period, the best way to do this is to leverage neural factors as well as that new muscle you are building which results in the ability to continue progression well past the point and for longer than where pure incremental muscle gain might take you. The net result = more muscle.

In a sense, the fastest path between 2 points is not always a straight line as obtacles often materialize that are best skirted around rather than bored through. Even someone interested in pure hypertrophy should be including significant emphasis on the neural component in their long term plans. This is also why a high volume low intensity (%1RM) plan works wonders for hypertrophy after a lower volume higher intensity phase. It is not that either of these regimines are golden program but merely that it is faster to tack into the wind covering more distance rather than trying to sail straight into it and making very slow progress.

So when you see '5x5' here or people using that style of program and training, this is really the jist. They are not doing it because it's a golden program, but they are systemactically increasing their capacities on the core lifts. It is the system and methodology that is the difference between a program and a routine where one just goes into the gym, does some stuff, and hopes to get better for it. Working hard is nice but working smart makes sure all that hard work is in the right direction. First set up a smart reasonable plan then work hard at it. If hard work is 5 steps than you are likely getting 4-5 steps forward if you bust your ass. If you just work hard at random stuff without a good plan, you get 1 back, 2 left, and 2 forward for a single step forward net. So someone working less hard but very smart may still outpace you if all of his 2 steps are forward.

That is the proper understanding. But basically, get big lifts up and eat to move the scale.

Great post!

 

[mekannik]

Thanks for the help.....you must be a huge guy or some idiot with a keyboard. Answer to your question.....bench - never have tried to get it up. Now I am and will be over 375 lbs. in 3 months. DL with straight bar...sure.....or a 66 Caddy if that was what you wanted. Not bad for 183 lbs guy that just started DL 3 months ago. I sure like your pics. and help...piss off.

Oh boo-f'n-hoo.

As if there have not been enough posts/stickies/reminders/pointers for people to check out the training vault threads at the top of the forum.

Do not try and come off as being so hard because of your build or goals or current program.

One simple word of advice: READ. Then ask questions - not for validity of another program.


And yes I am huge. Enormous. Thanks for asking, bitch.

 

[Protobuilder]

And yes I am huge. Enormous.

Me too.

 

[mekannik]

Me too.

Dude - you are gigantic.

BiG. Like Tom Hanks.

 

[Protobuilder]

I talked MYSELF into 5x5 workouts. I'm smart too. And enormous.

 

[FFQuads]

Oh boo-f'n-hoo.

As if there have not been enough posts/stickies/reminders/pointers for people to check out the training vault threads at the top of the forum.

Do not try and come off as being so hard because of your build or goals or current program.

One simple word of advice: READ. Then ask questions - not for validity of another program.


And yes I am huge. Enormous. Thanks for asking, bitch.

I do read and will some more. I do not come off as being hard.......I am and always have been. I really don't like doing this with people on the computer.....seems like a waste of time and no blood is on my clothes at the end. enormous..........."hard".........I still have to say.......I sureeeee like those pics. you have posted......lol...lol

 

[TheOak84]

do it.

 

[mekannik]

I do read and will some more. I do not come off as being hard.......I am and always have been. I really don't like doing this with people on the computer.....seems like a waste of time and no blood is on my clothes at the end. enormous..........."hard".........I still have to say.......I sureeeee like those pics. you have posted......lol...lol

Oh no Toto, the big bad bodybuilder figured out my internet shenanigans!! Oh dear! Oh dear!


Let me get this straight. You post up - trying to sound like a badass

Thanks..........and don't forget - MEATHEADS only please. I want some FREAKS telling me what to do or change

and when someone has the audacity to post up a valid counterpoint (i.e. READ and do some research prior to making assinine comments) you get pissy. Or 'proof' that they are huge. Do you even realize how stupid a concept that is? Based on your statement - sheer size equates to training knowledge. Think that over - if you keep coming to the same conclusion - run into a brick wall. Head first. Repeatedly.

And then you want to threaten e-violence. "oooh, if only I had blood on my clothes!!! I would be an even badder badass!!". Do you really take yourself this seriously?


Have I posted pics or vids. No. Guilty as charged.

Do I own a digi-cam. No.

Could I post up shots of me from St. Patty's day in a kilt drinking beer with hot chicks in Chicago? Yes - 4 years running. But I do not think that would convince you of my hardcore meatheadedness.

Did you even check out the link I posted??? That is an actual site that has quite a following among firefighters, cops, and MMA. But what am I thinking - that would require you to READ AND RESEARCH PRIOR TO POSTING.

My bad. I guess you are too busy posing and being a hardcore, badass to do the basics.

I now return control of this thread back to you. Do yourself a favor - READ next time, moron.


And Protobuilder - you are huge. And smart. But I know you can read and put together cogent questions regarding working out. But what are you doing posting on this shitball of a thread for - get back to the inspirational video thread of the beast - CS is furthering his application process.

 

[al420]

Oh no Toto, the big bad bodybuilder figured out my internet shenanigans!! Oh dear! Oh dear!


Let me get this straight. You post up - trying to sound like a badass and when someone has the audacity to post up a valid counterpoint (i.e. READ and do some research prior to making assinine comments) you get pissy. Or 'proof' that they are huge. Do you even realize how stupid a concept that is? Based on your statement - sheer size equates to training knowledge. Think that over - if you keep coming to the same conclusion - run into a brick wall. Head first. Repeatedly.

And then you want to threaten e-violence. "oooh, if only I had blood on my clothes!!! I would be an even badder badass!!". Do you really take yourself this seriously?


Have I posted pics or vids. No. Guilty as charged.

Do I own a digi-cam. No.

Could I post up shots of me from St. Patty's day in a kilt drinking beer with hot chicks in Chicago? Yes - 4 years running. But I do not think that would convince you of my hardcore meatheadedness.

Did you even check out the link I posted??? That is an actual site that has quite a following among firefighters, cops, and MMA. But what am I thinking - that would require you to READ AND RESEARCH PRIOR TO POSTING.

My bad. I guess you are too busy posing and being a hardcore, badass to do the basics.

I now return control of this thread back to you. Do yourself a favor - READ next time, moron.


And Protobuilder - you are huge. And smart. But I know you can read and put together cogent questions regarding working out. But what are you doing posting on this shitball of a thread for - get back to the inspirational video thread of the beast - CS is furthering his application process.

FF - this guy is located on isle 6 at Homedepot w/ the rest of the standard tools. It is sad when someone can't just respond. Especially someone too poor to afford a digital camera - typical wanna be - nice pics btw FF, you obviously know what you are doing. If Biggt and Madcow didn't lay it out then you are to stupid (and short) to figure it out.

Oh - and Moronowski from above - FF has read all the 5x5 stuff. He has trained for 10+ years CLEAN and w/ tremendous results. Why can't you just settle down a bit and answer his question - if his title put you off then why take 5 minutes writing a "go read the stickys" type reply. If you would have spent that 5 min looking at his profile you would see he is a good bro -

I am guilty of being a bit short w/ folks at times, but FF is no newbie, is strong as a fuckin Ox, and is a good bro........he also gives the best head I have ever had.

 

[FFQuads]

FF - this guy is located on isle 6 at Homedepot w/ the rest of the standard tools. It is sad when someone can't just respond. Especially someone too poor to afford a digital camera - typical wanna be - nice pics btw FF, you obviously know what you are doing. If Biggt and Madcow didn't lay it out then you are to stupid (and short) to figure it out.

Oh - and Moronowski from above - FF has read all the 5x5 stuff. He has trained for 10+ years CLEAN and w/ tremendous results. Why can't you just settle down a bit and answer his question - if his title put you off then why take 5 minutes writing a "go read the stickys" type reply. If you would have spent that 5 min looking at his profile you would see he is a good bro -

I am guilty of being a bit short w/ folks at times, but FF is no newbie, is strong as a fuckin Ox, and is a good bro........he also gives the best head I have ever had.

He at least has one thing right. I sure can give great head!

 

[mekannik]

FF - this guy is located on isle 6 at Homedepot w/ the rest of the standard tools. It is sad when someone can't just respond. Especially someone too poor to afford a digital camera - typical wanna be - nice pics btw FF, you obviously know what you are doing. If Biggt and Madcow didn't lay it out then you are to stupid (and short) to figure it out.

Oh - and Moronowski from above - FF has read all the 5x5 stuff. He has trained for 10+ years CLEAN and w/ tremendous results. Why can't you just settle down a bit and answer his question - if his title put you off then why take 5 minutes writing a "go read the stickys" type reply. If you would have spent that 5 min looking at his profile you would see he is a good bro -

I am guilty of being a bit short w/ folks at times, but FF is no newbie, is strong as a fuckin Ox, and is a good bro........he also gives the best head I have ever had.

Alright - F you al420, did I hurt your boy's feelings. How about we review some facts before we resort to personal attacks (on account of you do not have a leg to stand on).

Your boyfriend's first post in this thread specifically called out

......and don't forget - MEATHEADS only please. I want some FREAKS telling me what to do or change

- indicating that no one of lesser stature than his could comment on this thread.

And his second sentence (to be specific, sentence fragment) anticipated his getting flamed for his post. I wonder why???

Maybe because he DID NOT READ AND RESEARCH THE STICKIES first. Or because the tone of his post comes off as being a bit assinine. Take your pick.


As to your 'statements'

- no, I do not have a digicam. Fortunately I am looking at them - but I do not let the fact I do not own one affect my self value. I have more important things to purchase/pay for. Mortgage, vacations, the occassional tattoo - but if you want a cock pic - just come out and ask for it.

- how am I to know this nimrod's personal training experience??? 10+ years? tremendous results? I have been doing this on my own for 15 years - and I am not satisfied with my lifts or body comp. But my results are pretty good - I look damn good in a kilt and can hold my own in the weight room with the power or olympic lifters.

And if those results are from 10+ years, I would not be bragging. I would be seriously analyzing my workouts to figure out what the hell I have been wasting time doing.

- his profile does not say shit, by the way. So go F yourself with that puerile defense.

- and if you took half the time that you put into making this reply, you would have seen a couple of things: namely I added some emphasis that it was a rant (with some pretty obvious remarks at the start of my post) and a very good link relating to training - that would be the crossfit site in case you are too lazy to go back and look.


Get lucid and relax your sphincters. Both of you. My advice - next time do not start a post off (especially being a newb) that states only FREAKS reply. You are setting yourself up as a douche already.

 

[FFQuads]

Alright - F you al420, did I hurt your boy's feelings. How about we review some facts before we resort to personal attacks (on account of you do not have a leg to stand on).

Your boyfriend's first post in this thread specifically called out - indicating that no one of lesser stature than his could comment on this thread.

And his second sentence (to be specific, sentence fragment) anticipated his getting flamed for his post. I wonder why???

Maybe because he DID NOT READ AND RESEARCH THE STICKIES first. Or because the tone of his post comes off as being a bit assinine. Take your pick.


As to your 'statements'

- no, I do not have a digicam. Fortunately I am looking at them - but I do not let the fact I do not own one affect my self value. I have more important things to purchase/pay for. Mortgage, vacations, the occassional tattoo - but if you want a cock pic - just come out and ask for it.

- how am I to know this nimrod's personal training experience??? 10+ years? tremendous results? I have been doing this on my own for 15 years - and I am not satisfied with my lifts or body comp. But my results are pretty good - I look damn good in a kilt and can hold my own in the weight room with the power or olympic lifters.

And if those results are from 10+ years, I would not be bragging. I would be seriously analyzing my workouts to figure out what the hell I have been wasting time doing.

- his profile does not say shit, by the way. So go F yourself with that puerile defense.

- and if you took half the time that you put into making this reply, you would have seen a couple of things: namely I added some emphasis that it was a rant (with some pretty obvious remarks at the start of my post) and a very good link relating to training - that would be the crossfit site in case you are too lazy to go back and look.


Get lucid and relax your sphincters. Both of you. My advice - next time do not start a post off (especially being a newb) that states only FREAKS reply. You are setting yourself up as a douche already.

bragging??? I never did, but I'll send you some pics. in about 4 months that you can put up behind your bed to pray to. I have been BB training for about 5 years. Before that I did triathlon training. The only reason I asked for huge animals to post it because of shitty people posting up blah blah blah....like you. Sorry you got so upset. After looking at some of your other post I see that this is what you do best. I'll give you this - It's some pretty funny shit!

 

[mekannik]

bragging??? I never did, but I'll send you some pics. in about 4 months that you can put up behind your bed to pray to. I have been BB training for about 5 years. Before that I did triathlon training. The only reason I asked for huge animals to post it because of shitty people posting up blah blah blah....like you. Sorry you got so upset. After looking at some of your other post I see that this is what you do best. I'll give you this - It's some pretty funny shit!

That is alright - I do not want any pics of men. And if I did - they would have to be over 6 foot. Not into short guys (if I were), sorry to disappoint you.


And thanks for confirming my earlier post. You state that you do not want shitty people posting (non-huge animal, FREAKS). And yet someone who might be 'smaller' than you might have a wealth of knowledge and experience.

Kudos for you to sticking to your guns of being a mental midget. And as for my being upset - it is more at valuable time and space on the board being expended on shitty posting like yours.

Now run along get back to your BB training. You huge animal.

 

[al420]

A kilt is a skirt, right? Just making sure mam.

 

[mekannik]

A kilt is a skirt, right? Just making sure mam.

Wow. Just wow. That putdown was by far your best. Bar none - you are the most superior poster on EF.

A kilt is a kilt. Scot/Irish garb similar to a coat of arms (the tartan). For those of us proud of our heritage. Something you obviously do not understand or comprehend. Do I need to continue educating white trash like you and your boyfriend?

But I forgot - you live in Texas - and only two things come from there.

 

[Cynical Simian]

Locked...oh, wait, I'm not a mod.

 

[mekannik]

Locked...oh, wait, I'm not a mod.

Nice.


Attempted hijacking via posing as a mod.


How very rude. Keep up the good work.

 

[FFQuads]

That is alright - I do not want any pics of men. And if I did - they would have to be over 6 foot. Not into short guys (if I were), sorry to disappoint you.


And thanks for confirming my earlier post. You state that you do not want shitty people posting (non-huge animal, FREAKS). And yet someone who might be 'smaller' than you might have a wealth of knowledge and experience.

Kudos for you to sticking to your guns of being a mental midget. And as for my being upset - it is more at valuable time and space on the board being expended on shitty posting like yours.

Now run along get back to your BB training. You huge animal.

Yes, I'm short at shit and love it. I WILL NOT listen to anyone that is small! Sorry. I will get those pic. out to you ASAP.

Love always,

FF

 

[mekannik]

Yes, I'm short at shit and love it. I WILL NOT listen to anyone that is small! Sorry. I will get those pic. out to you ASAP.

Love always,

FF

Listen dude - I already posted I am NOT INTO guys. Sorry.

I mean - I am not sure if you are in the closet and in a marriage for appearances sake or what - I do not care. But please - no pics. I would only be able to laugh at you for so long before I felt pity. Those 10+ years of training have really paid off - have they not?

Enough hijacking (it was amusing for a few seconds) - best of luck with your 'bodybuilding'. Hope your solicitation for pics from other male members goes well.

 

[al420]

But I forgot - you live in Texas - and only two things come from there.

Yep - Meatheads and Freaks

 

[mekannik]

for your consideration.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8zDQgr_ZaM

 

[Cynical Simian]

Needs more entrails.

Also, why'd you cut out the part where you got the bench by telling some kid you'd spot him then letting him drop the bar on his chest? That was far ruder than a bunch of CG benching.

 

[djeclipse]

And thanks for confirming my earlier post. You state that you do not want shitty people posting (non-huge animal, FREAKS). And yet someone who might be 'smaller' than you might have a wealth of knowledge and experience.

There seem to be a few people that come over here now and agian and display ignorance such as this...

The best advice on training does not come form the guy that thinks he is huge becasue he can bench prss 315 x 1. It can come form people of all shapes and sizes.

 

[FFQuads]

for your consideration.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8zDQgr_ZaM

I like it! Boy, I thought we had killed this thread with all the shit talk. I do see what your talking about now. I was never trying to disrespect anyone with this topic. (till you shows up...LOL) I just wanted to get information from people that I beleive to have a strong history with BB or PL. I really don't think that pictures you sent me was you. That "thing" looked sick or maybe hurting from STD. This hurts my feeling! Now, I know what your thinking. That's was what you were trying to do, but I really feel bad about having this picture over my bed and it not really being you. What did you think about that diet I sent you? I'm working on getting all my max weights this week and will start next week. I'll try and get some movie clips for you. I really like squating naked!

 

[mekannik]

Needs more entrails.

Also, why'd you cut out the part where you got the bench by telling some kid you'd spot him then letting him drop the bar on his chest? That was far ruder than a bunch of CG benching.

Please you wannabe-rude-acolyte. I actually offered to spot some 16 year old kid, then crop dusted him (tuna, protein shake, fish oil capsules). Little bastard dumped 95# on his sternum and limped off sobbing like anthrax invasion after getting band. Again.

What did you think about that diet I sent you? I'm working on getting all my max weights this week and will start next week. I'll try and get some movie clips for you. I really like squating naked!

To be honest - I have never dieted. Friends with quite a few bodybuilders, but never had the patience for that cutting b.s. I suggest bulking on the 5x5 (since it is more of a strength based system).

Squatting naked?? You have been watching too much Pumping Iron. I think Arnold used to do that. Just be sure to tuck the bean bag back.

 

[Protobuilder]

Squatting naked?? You have been watching too much Pumping Iron. I think Arnold used to do that. Just be sure to tuck the bean bag back.

This thread just got weirder. LoL

Mekkanik - nice work. That's some great close-grip work.

 

[IncredibleHoss]

Lol @ 5 foot 7 and being to "tall" for bbing.

 

[al420]

That is some sick close grip mekannik - kilt or no kilt

 

[Protobuilder]

Those are fake plates.

 

[silver_shadow]

impressive stuff mek - that's some sort of 1-6 wave progression or something to that effect isn't it?

 

[patsfan1379]

you guys need to get laid.