Taking Ambien while on Anavar

[BigCracker]

it's gone totally OT but it's too damn entertaining to stop now...

BC for prez!!

C'mon guys, it's been almost 2 wks since zk7 was trying to convince us how all of the intelligent people in the military were drafted-yet there hasn't been a draft since like 1968. I also loved how he called homosexuals people that sold their soul to Satan and declared that no bb's would ever be gay for pay(or steroids) unless they had too much estrogen to begin with(I suppose that's Satan's fault too?). The profound ignorance is never ending, so I gotta capitalize on it when I see it. I simply can't-not say something or allow this type of bullshit to be spewed about this board w/o voicing my 2 cc's.

And who the fuck is digger???

 

[Svengali]

He is the Big mod at EF

 

[juiceddreadlocks]

I just love how you assholes talk shit but make no attempt to back up your claims with any pertinent data. And look at your loser post count to karma ratio. You're a platty with 4x as many posts and I still have more K than you and I'm just a basic member. Obviously your opinion doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things here. Go buy some more karma or man up and back up your opinions, instead of crying bullshit then hiding behind your keyboard you N-Sync wannabe legless pencilneck geek.

Do us all a favor and find us some positive studies on Ambien use that weren't conducted by someone that has a financial interest in it's success on the drug market. I doubt that's possible, so why don't you give us your expert opinion on what a benign and harmless substance Ambien is? In a few clicks of my mouse I could probably find 20 different studies on how tame marijuana is by people with no financial interest in it's import or export(besides personal use). The same can't be said about any Rx drug of any kind-but especially the big money makers like Ambien, Prozac, Paxil, Adderall, etc. Anybody remember Phen phen or Fen-Fen??? How many people had strokes/heart probs from using it??? It was legal and "harmless" too at one time. And what about Viox??? Same shit. Class Action Lawsuits are still pending up the ass too!!!

And back about 12 years ago GHB - gamma hydroxybutyric - was legal and sold at GNC as a sleep aid. I'll agree it's a dangerous substance when combined with other drugs, and most people are too irresponsible to use it-but increased Rem sleep, increased natural growth hormone secretion, with no hangover the next AM is definitely something worth looking into for some people.


And a little Ambien story of interest. My friend is 40 yrs old and has been a daily weed smoker since his teens. A long time ago he promised his wife he'd quit smoking weed on his 40th b-day. She was one of those sheep bent on her husband not using illegal drugs. Anywho, he quits and 2 months of insomnia ensue. He's having trouble concentrating at work and his daily job performance was declining. Well, he goes to the Dr and the Dr prescribes him Ambien. It worked almost immediately-except he was now having a difficult time staying awake on the job. About 2 wks into his Ambien Rx, he falls asleep driving to work, wrecks his new car, and gets a DUI for Ambien. This is a guy that smoked blunts on his way to work daily for years and never had an accident. Now he gets on some legal shit and two wks later he has a wrecked car, is facing criminal charges, and his life is off in a ditch like never before. Why??? Because his sheep wife thinks that illegal and immoral are the same thing. Absolutely fucking ridiculous. Equally as ridiculous was him promising his wife he'd give up weed, but that's off topic. Anyway, I told him to move to Cali and get a Rx for weed. Then she can't bitch. With a weed Rx you can get weed soda, weed chips, weed breath strips, etc you name it-and the buzz is killer and you don't even need to smoke it.

Anyway, the whole point I was trying to make was that I don't think it's a coincidence that him quitting weed and replacing it with a legally prescribed Rx that fucked his life up was just his bad luck.

I didnt say one bad thing about weed. I have no problem with it, and it's legal to possess where I live. I've gifted a lot of plat memberships if you wonder where my K has gone.

I see patients nightly who take ambien safely. You're right, I dont have big legs... but it's because I cycle over 40 miles a day to work every day as well as recreational cycling on the weekends. I'm also a registered sleep technologist with a bachelors degree in biology and have worked in neuroscience research. Xyrem has a lot higher potential for abuse than ambien (which I think we agree on). Additionally, the permissive effects of growth hormone dont just happen because there's more of it released. The feedback loop you create when not sleeping well is hell on your physique as well as your mind. Treating that at the cause, not abusing highly addictive substances like GHB for little reason is a much better plan than just ''take this''.

BTW increased REM does not mean increased GH levels, GH is released when thyroid hormone is inhibited in slow wave sleep, which is almost the polar opposite of REM sleep. Most drugs (that I know of) dont have significant increases of both REM and SWS over the long haul. If it's rebound sleep over the short term then they both would increase, but once he started paying back his sleep debt there would be no real increase in both SWS and REM.

Of course, if you want to try to be a dick some more, we can talk about neurotransmitter mediated changes in stages of sleep or any other aspect of sleep you'd like to discuss. An attitude like yours makes it hard to have respectful discussions here without someone getting personal. If you're just giong to go ad hominem on me, then dont plan on me responding to any more of your childish rants. If you take the time to read the substance of my post you'll see we agree about weed.

 

[samoth]

Let's see... BigCracker is bombed by Digger, considers virtual karma points a testament of one's validity, uses his "friend" as an argumentative example, and gets absolutely pwned by Juiceddreadlocks...

Hey, this is a pretty good thread.

(BTW, great post by Juiceddreadlocks)

 

[BigCracker]

Let's see... BigCracker is bombed by Digger, considers virtual karma points a testament of one's validity, uses his "friend" as an argumentative example, and gets absolutely pwned by Juiceddreadlocks...

Hey, this is a pretty good thread.

(BTW, great post by Juiceddreadlocks)

Whatever. Spin my valid arguments however you want. All I know is that I don't purchase k hits and they're given to me by other members. So obviously the shit I have to say means something to someone?

I used my friend's situation as an example-I never once said that everyone that uses Ambien suffers from similar drama.

At least one guy has the balls to back up their arguments. And if it takes me getting pwned by juiced pigtails to make this thread great, it speaks volumes about this site and it's mods. It's a shame a lowly basic member like me gets more props and respect than some of the mods. It has to crush your delicate egos, so pour yourself a glass of Haterade and drink up. Or maybe we can start posting pics of who's more likely to know their BB 411??? Oh wait, I'm just some frumpy fat ass keyboard cowboy that lucked out and won the overalls in a few BB shows. And it's just a coincidence that I get paid $40-$50 an hr to share my non existent knowledge with others??? Damn I suck. I better go back to the gym so I can play catch up with you mods whith the overwhelming knowledge and national caliber physiques. Someone even asked me how much I benched 2 days ago. So you guys better watch out. I'm gonna win Mr Backyard someday and beat out youngguns for the title.

 

[samsaige]

OK, that's cool. One last thing though if YOU are the one telling YOUR Dr. what YOU want, doesn't that merely reduce him to nothing more than a drug dealer that charges you $200 a visit for an Rx??? With that being said, one of my tweeker buddies swears that crystal meth is his secret to having the most spotless crib in town. I swear, you could eat applesauce off of off his toilet seat(not that I'd want to)and still probably consume less bacteria/fecal matter than you'd find in one burrito supreme from Toxic Bell or a Tony's Frozen Pizza. So go cook up some crank instead of hiring a cleaning lady(of no particular race, creed, color, or denomination...but she's probably Mexican).

Now, to answer your question...I'd recommend GHB - gamma hydroxybutyric - as an Ambien alternative, but that would be irresponsible of me. Plus I don't think the mods like GHB being discussed here period-especially when I hear possession carries a mandatory 7 yr minimum in some states. If you passed high school chemistry, GHB can easily be made at home. In fact, making a great tasting pecan pie requires more skill.

bc, you are the best, if you lived in my state, i would buy you a beer with a joint chaser. Givem hell pal

 

[bbkingpin]

xt? I don't trust some greedy jew bastard with letters MD after his name-

You should be banned for this kind of talk, what's next? "niggers" and "spics"?

 

[bbkingpin]

referring to people as "greedy jew bastards" is fucking stupid and makes you look like your social development ended at approximately 2 years of age. That kind of racism is just going to detract from anything meaningful you might have to say.

I agree, some of the best most prestigious doctors are Jewish, what do you do for a living Cracker? The doctor feel-goods are not Jews.

 

[bbkingpin]

3 posts and you think you've got a handle on the cracker? Try again sigmund.........

# of posts isn't a sign of IQ. Actually the more posts you have, unless you are a mod, is a sign of lack of IQ, wtf are you doing on EF all fucking day long arguing with strangers for? Because you are a know-it-all?

 

[BigRupe]

Give it another 10-15 years and you'll either be pissed off or remain as dumb as a stump like most. Everybody wants a pill to fix everything nowadays. I just love how all of these happy/anti anxiety meds are out, yet everytime you hear of some freak shooting up a bunch of innocents they were always on Rx drugs like Prozac, Paxil, Ambien, etc. Funny how our suicide rate is higher than ever too? You don't need to be a handy man to figure out that the legal Rx shit does more harm than good 90% of the time.

And fyi-I am far from a sheep-which is why I don't trust some greedy jew bastard with letters MD after his name-cuz I know he went to school 8-10 years to make as much $crill off of chumps like you as possible. Plus he likely has a practice overhead and a student loan payment that rivals a house payment in amount. So of course he's gonna prerscribe you what you say that you want. If he doesn't, the Dr down the street will. That's just good business-even if you, the consumer, is a dipshit.

All I was saying is that smoking weed would probably do what you want it to without all of the shitty Ambien side effects. Weed is illegal. So are steroids. So why not use weed if the side effects are less? Obviously you have no problem breaking the law, so how come smoking weed isn't at least option??? Do you believe everything the govt tells you about the dangers of steroids? My guess is no. So how can you believe or trust them with your legal Rx use? Especially when there's cash incentives to be paid to Dr's and the govt alike.

Fuck ethics. There are none. GTFM!!! Get The Fuckin Money!!! That's what our whole health care system is based on-and sheeple like you are the hypocrites that buy into this shit-just cuz some asshole with the letters MD after his name tells you so.

Chill out dude. "Jew bastard"?

Sounds like you'll be doing the next Live leak Jihad bombing video.

You might want to cut back on the dope. Pot is indeed bad for you.