Sustanon vs. Enanthate?

[jboldman]

I just can not believe the ignorance that all these posts are perpetuating. Test levels going up and down? Oh, c'mon, hardly. Don't any of you guys know about the pharmokinetics of injections of steroids. Basically all oil based steroids reach their maximum blood levels roughly 24hrs after injection and taper thereafter thru their half-lives. The prop does not "kick in" then the next ester, they ALL kick in, the shorter the halflife, the higher the initial blood level. Each time you inject you will have an "additive" spike within the next 24 hours followed by the same taper. Nandi did the math and had a nifty chart that showed "bloodlevels" of sus vs enanthate and sus just comes out looking verymuch like a single ester steroid with a somewhat longer halflife, say 7-8 days rather than 6-7 days. Personaly I think that sus 250 x3/week is a great basic cycle! All the anecdotal evidence notwithstanding, each individuals cycle is such a personal and different thing/workout and intensity/diet/salt/carbs/rest...that it is almost impossible to see the differences in cycles other than perhaps doses. The basic line is this, the more test you take the more you will grow all other things being equal. For me the difference in sus and cyp or enanthate is strictly price, whatever is cheapest mg/ml gets the ring!

Finally someone agrees with me.

I copied this:

Sustanon was developed for the primary reason of hormone replacement, and because of the mix of esters most patients only needed one shot a month to keep their hormone levels balanced. Because of this design, the bodybuilder will not recieve proper
doseages at once or twice a week injections. Your blood levels will fluctuate up and down continually, which is not what you want while on a cycle. You want stable levels to give your body the best chance it can have to build plenty of muscle.

All test is the same, but once only the ester is removed. People that say test is test are wrong unless you are assuming that the ester has already been removed. I have had plenty
of different results fromt the different tests I have used, as well as I am sure you have too. The secret to making sus work correctly, is timing the esters so the blood levels do not fluctuate.

I will assume that everyone knows how an ester works and why one is added to the parent testosterone. With sustanon, you have 4 esters:30mg of prop60mg of phenylprop60mg of
isocaproate100mg of deconateCombined to give you 250mg. Now everyone knows for themselves how much test they should take due to previous cycles or no cycles at all. Lets take each
ester and see how long they will stay active in the body. 30mg of prop--Prop needs to be injected at least every other day to get the full benifits of the test. I think every third day is a little too long to wait, although some people may disagree. Now lets say
you are doing a prop only cycle and injecting 30mg twice a week. You can see already that is a waste of gear. If you inject 30mg of prop twice a week you are totally wasting your time. You will NOT grow off of this, so you can basically take sus and knock it down to 220mg an amp if you are injecting once or twice a week. 60 mg of phenylprop--Phenylprop is not that much different than prop. You can get away with injecting the phenylprop ester every third day. Anyone that has taken nandrolone with a phenylprop ester knows that it is shorter acting and must be injected twice a week (for example, getwoods powder). If injected twice a week, then lets even cushion the amount, you will have all 120 mg in one
week.

 

[nuh_mizer]

I just can not believe the ignorance that all these posts are perpetuating. Test levels going up and down? Oh, c'mon, hardly. Don't any of you guys know about the pharmokinetics of injections of steroids. Basically all oil based steroids reach their maximum blood levels roughly 24hrs after injection and taper thereafter thru their half-lives. The prop does not "kick in" then the next ester, they ALL kick in, the shorter the halflife, the higher the initial blood level.

So if you say that, then it would also be true that if you took 1 shot a week of prop, your test levels would not be going up and down. I agree with the fact that "one ester kicks in and then another", but I don't think anyone said that.

 

[jboldman]

Hey I do not mean to ruffle anyone's feathers but this is exactly the kind of thing that I was talking about. basically, when we inject a steroid, soon afterwards the blood level from that steroid peaks and starts down. If you take multiple steroids at the same time, they ALL peak, say within the next 24hrs, and they all start going down toward baseline. This is a smooth curve, not one with multiple peaks , after that they ALL collectively diminish. It is obvious that when you take another shot, a similar thing happens and the peak and curve is an additive one. The frequency of your shots will determine the peaks and the esters and volume will determine the magnitude of the peaks and curve. In other words, shooting sus two times a week will produce a graph not very dissimilar to that produced by shooting enanthate twice a week. The more frequent your shots the more constant your blood levels.

So if you say that, then it would also be true that if you took 1 shot a week of prop, your test levels would not be going up and down. I agree with the fact that "one ester kicks in and then another", but I don't think anyone said that.