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Sustanon vs. Enanthate?

WannaBPowerful

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What advantages do these have over the other? I know sustanon is a time released blend that will keep levels more level and constant.

Which one would you choose or recommend for a newbie cycle of 10 weeks lookin for size and a little strength.
 
i also have this delemia in deciding what i want to use, sust is a blend of a few tests, but does one work better then the other....thats simply a matter of opinion depending on your body, i used sust / dbol and gained 25lbs for 10 weeks.....i am a huge fan of sust, but i think that enanth might be more constant on keeping your levels up,....imo
 
The only way sust will keep your levels consistent is if you shoot it every day or every other day. Single ester tests are way better for keeping even blood levels, which means more growth. Just jump on something fast acting like dbol for the first few weeks while waiting for the test to kick in
 
Still, nobody has told me the difference between the two. I understand 2 things so far.

Sust is a blend of tests, and enanthate is only one.

Enanthate produces more side effects.
 
Enanthate will keep blood levels more constant than sust. I believe sust will cause more side effects do to the fluctuation of hormones.
 
Here u go bro this might help. Another thing that might help you understant these compounds better is understanding what an ester is. I will let u find that info.
The below info is credited to the ANABOLIC REVIEW web site.
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Sustanon is a very popular steroid which is highly appreciated by its users since it offers several advantages when compared to other testosterone compounds. Sustanon is a mixture of four different testosterones which, based on the well-timed composition, have a synergetic effect. This special feature has two positive characteris-tics for the athlete. First, based on the special combination effect of the compounds, Sustanon, milligram for milligram, has a better effect than Testosterone enanthate, cypionate, and propionate alone. Second, the effect of the four testosterones is time-released so that Sustanon goes rapidly into the system and remains effective in the body for several weeks. Due to the propionate also included in the steroid, Sustanon is effective after one day and, based on the mixed in decanoates, remains active for 3-4 weeks. Sustanon has a distinct androgenic effect which is coupled with a strong anabolic effect. Therefore it is well suited to build up strength and mass. A rapid increase in body strength and an even increase in body weight oc-cur. Athletes who use Sustanon report a solid muscle growth since it results in less water retention and also aromatizes less than either testosterone enanthate or cypionate. Indeed many bodybuilders who use testosterone and fight against distinct water retention and an elevated estrogen level prefer Sustanon over other long-acting de-pot testosterones.

It is further noticed that Sustanon is also effective when relatively low doses are given to well advanced athletes- It is interesting to note that when Sustanon is given to athletes who have already used this compound in the same or lower doses, it leads to similar good results as during the previous intake. Sustanon is usually injected at least once a week, which can be stretched up to 10 days. The dosage in bodybuilding and powerlifting ranges from 250 mg every 14 days up to 1000 mg or more per day. Since such high dosages are not recommended-and fortunately are also not taken in most cases-the rule is 250-1000 mg/week. A dosage of 500 mg/week is completely sufficient for most, and can often be reduced to 250-mg/ week by combining Sustanon with an oral steroid. Sustanon is well tolerated as a basic steroid during treatment which stimulates the regeneration, gives the athlete a sufficient "kick" for intense train-ing units, and next to the already mentioned advantage-rapid strength increase and solid muscle gain distinguishes itself also by its compatibility. In order to gain mass fast Sustanon is often com-bined with Deca-Durabolin, Dianabol or Anadrol while athletes who are more into quality prefer combining it with Parabolan, Winstrol, Oxandrolone or Primobolan.

Although Sustanon does not aromatize excessively when taken in a reasonable dosage many people, in addition, also take an antiestrogen such as Nolvadex and/or Proviron to prevent possible estrogen-linked side effects. Since Sustanon suppresses the endogenous testosterone production the intake of HCG and Clomid must be considered after six weeks or at the end of treatment. It is recommended that women not take depot testosterones since the androgen level would strongly increase and virilization symptoms could result. Despite this, it is not uncommon for female competing athletes in the higher weight classes to take testosterone since it helps in remaining "competi-tive." Women who use "Testo" or who would like to try it should limit its use to either only testosterone propionate or inject a maxi-mum of 250 mg Sustanon every 10-14 days over a period of no longer than six weeks. At this point we would like to emphasize once more that steroid novices should stay away from all testoster-one compounds since, at this time, they simply do not need them. The side effects of Sustanon are similar to those of Testosterone enanthate (see also Testosterone enanthate) only that they are usu-ally less frequent and less severe. Depending on the predisposition and dosage, the user can experience the usual androgenic-linked side effects such as acne, aggressiveness, sexual overstimulation, oily skin, accelerated hair loss, and reduced production of the body's own hormones. Water retention and gynecomastia are usually within limits with the "Sustas" or are not as massive as with enanthate and cypionate. Liver damage is unlikely with Sustanon (see Test-osterone enanthate); however, in very high dosages, elevated liver values can occur which, after discontinuing use of the compound, usually go back to normal. The fact that the liver is a very efficient organ and able to cope well with higher quantities of testosterone is confirmed in the book Doping-verbotene Arzneimittel im Sport by Dirk Clasing and Manfred Donike. On page 54 the authors state: "The liver is able to metabolize an almost unlimited amount of tes-tosterone (2 g of rat liver are able to break down 100 mg/day of testosterone). "
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Testosterone enantate is an ester of the naturally occurring andro-gen, testosterone. It is responsible for the normal development of the male sex characteristics. In the event of insufficient testosterone production an almost complete balance of the functional, anatomic, and psychic deficiency symptoms can be achieved by substituting testosterone." (Excerpt from the package insert of the German phar-maceutical group, Jenapharm GmbH for its compound Testosteron--Depot.)

These lines clearly describe what an important and effective hor-mone testosterone is. One of the many testosterone substances is the testosterone enanthate. In a man it is normally used to treat hypogonadism resulting from androgen deficiency (1) and anemia (2). Surprisingly, in medical schools testosterone enanthate is also used in women and children. Boys and male youth take it as growth therapy and women take it as an "additive treatment for certain growth forms of the nipples during post-menopause". In bodybuilding, however, it is THE "mass building steroid." No matter what you think of Dianabol, Parabolan, Anadrol 50, FinaJect, and others, when it comes to strength, muscle mass, and rapid weight gains, testosterone is still the "King of the Road." Testosterone enanthate is the European counterpart to Test-osterone cypionate which is predominantly available in the U.S. (see also Test. Cyp.). Testosterone enanthate, as most trade names al-ready suggest, is a long-acting depot steroid. Depending on the metabolism and the body's initial hormone level it has a duration of effect of two to three weeks so that theoretically very long intervals between injections are possible. Although Testosterone enanthate is effective for several weeks, it is injected at least once a week in body-building, powerlifting, and weightlifting. This, by all means, makes sense since Testosterone enanthate has a plasma half-life time in the blood of only one week.

The decisive advantage of Testosterone enanthate, however, is that this substance has a very strong androgenic effect and is coupled with an intense anabolic component. This allows almost everyone, within a short time, to build up a lot of strength and mass. The, rapid and strong weight gain is combined with distinct water reten-tion since a retention of electrolytes and water occurs. A pleasant effect is that the enormous strength gain goes hand in hand with the water retention. Weightlifters and powerlifters, especially in the higher weight classes, appreciate this characteristic. In this group, Testosterone enanthate, Testosterone cypionate, and Sustanon (see also Sustanon) are the number one steroids; this is also clearly re-flected in the dosages. Dosages of 500 mg, 1000 mg or even 2000 mg per day are no rarity-mind you, per day, not per week. Sports disciplines requiring a high degree of raw power, aggressiveness, and stamina offer an excellent application for Depot-Testosterone. The distinct water retention has also other advantages. Those who have problems with their joints, shoul-der cartilages or whose intervertebral disks, due to years of heavy training, show the first signs of wear, can get temporary relief by taking testosterone.

For the bodybuilder, the water retention that goes hand in hand with Testosterone enanthate cuts both ways. Certainly, one gets rap-idly massive and strong; however, one's reflected image after a few weeks often shows completely flat, watery, and puffy muscles. The muscles appear as if they have been pumped up with air' to new dimensions, yet during flexing nothing happens. Those who do not believe this should bother to go visit the so-called "bodybuilding champions" during the OFF-season when these exaggerated quanti-ties of "Testo" come in. A look at the now defunct bodybuilding magazine WBF makes it even clearer. An additional problem when taking Testosterone enanthate is that the conversion rate to estrogen is very high. This, on one hand, leads the body to store more fat; on the other hand, feminization symptoms (gynecomastia) are not unusual. However, it must be clearly stated that this depends on the athlete's predisposition. By all means, there are athletes who even with 1000 mg +/week do not show feminization symptoms or fat deposits and who suffer very low water retention. Others, however, develop pain in their nipples by simply looking at a Testoviron-De-pot ampule. Yet the additional intake of Nolvadex and Proviron should be considered at a dosage level of 500 mg+ /week. As already men-tioned, Testo is effective for everyone, whether a beginner or Mr. Olympia. Testosterone enanthate also strongly promotes the regen-eration process. This leads to distinctly shorter overcompensation phases, an increased feeling of well-being, and a distinct energy in-crease. This is also the reason why several athletes are able to work out twice daily for several hours six times a week and continue to build up mass and strength. Those who can work out again two hours after a hard leg workout know that Testo works. Athletes who take Testosterone enanthate report an excessively strong pump effect during training. This "steroid pump" is attributed to an in-creased blood volume with a higher oxygen supply and a higher quantity of red blood cells. Those who take megadoses of Testoster-one enanthate will already feel an enormous pump in their upper thighs and calves when climbing stairs. Despite this we recommend that steroid novices stay away from all testosterone compounds. To make it very clear: Those who have never taken steroids do not yet need any testosterone and should wait until later when the "weaker" steroids begin to have little effect. For the more advanced, Testoster-one enanthate can either be taken alone or in combination with other compounds.
 
Sust is the newbie drug of choice, guys that dont know which end of the needle is the pointy part, have heard about sust and are convinced that it is the way to turn into a freak. Most people that have tried both sust and a quality enth (not mex) will agree that enth is a better mass builder
 
Sust works good for me every time but I still prefer Enanthate.
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I have yet to use Enanthate was Sus on teh last 2 cycles... my third will be enanthate, Dbol, and EQ.. so We'll see how it goes....
 
I tried cyp and sust so far. My next cycle will have eth. in it. If I had to choose between the cyp and the sust, I would go with the single ester.....cyp.

I didn't get any acne with sust but I did with cyp. Go figure??? I hear a lot of other bros are using single ester more than multi compounds but it's a matter of choice. My first cycle used dbol and sust and I was so excited. I got better results of cyp and fina. I could have been to cautious too.......I only did 250mg twice a week of sust but I now know that my body reacts better to 600mgs a week of test.
 
Most of you guys on here agree that Enanthate is superior, however the facts dont support that theory. The drug profiles state that Sustanon is a mixture of four different testosterones which, based on the well-timed composition, have a synergetic effect. This special feature has two positive characteris-tics for the athlete. First, based on the special combination effect of the compounds, Sustanon, milligram for milligram, has a better effect than Testosterone enanthate cypionate, and propionate alone. Second, the effect of the four testosterones is time-released so that Sustanon goes rapidly into the system and remains effective in the body for several weeks. Due to the propionate also included in the steroid, Sustanon is effective after one day and, based on the mixed in decanoates, remains active for 3-4 weeks.

It also states that Testosterone enanthate has a plasma half-life time in the blood of only one week. The, rapid and strong weight gain is combined with distinct water reten-tion since a retention of electrolytes and water occurs.

Only good thing i read about Enanthate is that it is that In bodybuilding, however, it is THE "mass building steroid." No matter what you think of Dianabol, Parabolan, Anadrol 50, FinaJect, and others, when it comes to strength, muscle mass, and rapid weight gains, testosterone is still the "King of the Road." However, ,most can get mas-sive and strong with Testosterone enanthate. However, only very few are able to retain their size after discontinuing the compound. This is also one of the reasons why really good bodybuilders, powerlifters, weightlighters, and others take the "stuff " all year long.

From what i understand Enanthate is needed to be takin in higher dosages than sust, and it more likley to cause accelerated hair loss and gynocomastia.

So, how is this the choice of so many over sust?
 
WannaBPowerful said:
Most of you guys on here agree that Enanthate is superior, however the facts dont support that theory. The drug profiles state that Sustanon is a mixture of four different testosterones which, based on the well-timed composition, have a synergetic effect. This special feature has two positive characteris-tics for the athlete. First, based on the special combination effect of the compounds, Sustanon, milligram for milligram, has a better effect than Testosterone enanthate cypionate, and propionate alone. Second, the effect of the four testosterones is time-released so that Sustanon goes rapidly into the system and remains effective in the body for several weeks. Due to the propionate also included in the steroid, Sustanon is effective after one day and, based on the mixed in decanoates, remains active for 3-4 weeks.

It also states that Testosterone enanthate has a plasma half-life time in the blood of only one week. The, rapid and strong weight gain is combined with distinct water reten-tion since a retention of electrolytes and water occurs.

Only good thing i read about Enanthate is that it is that In bodybuilding, however, it is THE "mass building steroid." No matter what you think of Dianabol, Parabolan, Anadrol 50, FinaJect, and others, when it comes to strength, muscle mass, and rapid weight gains, testosterone is still the "King of the Road." However, ,most can get mas-sive and strong with Testosterone enanthate. However, only very few are able to retain their size after discontinuing the compound. This is also one of the reasons why really good bodybuilders, powerlifters, weightlighters, and others take the "stuff " all year long.

From what i understand Enanthate is needed to be takin in higher dosages than sust, and it more likley to cause accelerated hair loss and gynocomastia.

So, how is this the choice of so many over sust?

Dude, you are getting those profiles that are out-dated. If you do the research about sustanon, they say you need to run an amp of sust EOD to get the best results from the different tests. You can mix six compounds of test and doesn't mean it will be better. The proof is in the results and many people favor enanth and cyp. The piece about losing/retaining size is total bs. If you eat right, train like a freak and build solid muscle and you are not beyond your genetic max, you will keep most of the muscle. You will lose the excess water weight with everything. That is what you drop fast. You normally don't lose 10lbs. of muscle in a week.

All tests can cause hair loss and gyno it is the risk with the game. You also risk potential prostate cancer, permanent problems with natural test production, infections from injections and bad gear, etc. It is not a healthy hobby.

If you really want to do sust then do it. The board is trying to help you make an educated decision based on experience and prior research.
 
I know everyone is tryin to help. If i was bein stubborn i wouldnt have posted that info to be critiqued, i woulda just drawn my own conclusion. Only way to learn what works is by hittin all the details i can and learning as much about the kinds of gear that i can. I greatly appreciate all the help, and im learning more and more each day. Sorry if i sounded like i was disagreeing, i just copied and pasted stuff and asked questions about it.
 
Racer-X99 said:


Dude, you are getting those profiles that are out-dated. If you do the research about sustanon, they say you need to run an amp of sust EOD to get the best results from the different tests.

Finally someone agrees with me.

I copied this:

Sustanon was developed for the primary reason of hormone replacement, and because of the mix of esters most patients only needed one shot a month to keep their hormone levels balanced. Because of this design, the bodybuilder will not recieve proper
doseages at once or twice a week injections. Your blood levels will fluctuate up and down continually, which is not what you want while on a cycle. You want stable levels to give your body the best chance it can have to build plenty of muscle.

All test is the same, but once only the ester is removed. People that say test is test are wrong unless you are assuming that the ester has already been removed. I have had plenty
of different results fromt the different tests I have used, as well as I am sure you have too. The secret to making sus work correctly, is timing the esters so the blood levels do not fluctuate.

I will assume that everyone knows how an ester works and why one is added to the parent testosterone. With sustanon, you have 4 esters:30mg of prop60mg of phenylprop60mg of
isocaproate100mg of deconateCombined to give you 250mg. Now everyone knows for themselves how much test they should take due to previous cycles or no cycles at all. Lets take each
ester and see how long they will stay active in the body. 30mg of prop--Prop needs to be injected at least every other day to get the full benifits of the test. I think every third day is a little too long to wait, although some people may disagree. Now lets say
you are doing a prop only cycle and injecting 30mg twice a week. You can see already that is a waste of gear. If you inject 30mg of prop twice a week you are totally wasting your time. You will NOT grow off of this, so you can basically take sus and knock it down to 220mg an amp if you are injecting once or twice a week. 60 mg of phenylprop--Phenylprop is not that much different than prop. You can get away with injecting the phenylprop ester every third day. Anyone that has taken nandrolone with a phenylprop ester knows that it is shorter acting and must be injected twice a week (for example, getwoods powder). If injected twice a week, then lets even cushion the amount, you will have all 120 mg in one
week.
 
I just can not believe the ignorance that all these posts are perpetuating. Test levels going up and down? Oh, c'mon, hardly. Don't any of you guys know about the pharmokinetics of injections of steroids. Basically all oil based steroids reach their maximum blood levels roughly 24hrs after injection and taper thereafter thru their half-lives. The prop does not "kick in" then the next ester, they ALL kick in, the shorter the halflife, the higher the initial blood level. Each time you inject you will have an "additive" spike within the next 24 hours followed by the same taper. Nandi did the math and had a nifty chart that showed "bloodlevels" of sus vs enanthate and sus just comes out looking verymuch like a single ester steroid with a somewhat longer halflife, say 7-8 days rather than 6-7 days. Personaly I think that sus 250 x3/week is a great basic cycle! All the anecdotal evidence notwithstanding, each individuals cycle is such a personal and different thing/workout and intensity/diet/salt/carbs/rest...that it is almost impossible to see the differences in cycles other than perhaps doses. The basic line is this, the more test you take the more you will grow all other things being equal. For me the difference in sus and cyp or enanthate is strictly price, whatever is cheapest mg/ml gets the ring! :)



nuh_mizer said:


Finally someone agrees with me.

I copied this:

Sustanon was developed for the primary reason of hormone replacement, and because of the mix of esters most patients only needed one shot a month to keep their hormone levels balanced. Because of this design, the bodybuilder will not recieve proper
doseages at once or twice a week injections. Your blood levels will fluctuate up and down continually, which is not what you want while on a cycle. You want stable levels to give your body the best chance it can have to build plenty of muscle.

All test is the same, but once only the ester is removed. People that say test is test are wrong unless you are assuming that the ester has already been removed. I have had plenty
of different results fromt the different tests I have used, as well as I am sure you have too. The secret to making sus work correctly, is timing the esters so the blood levels do not fluctuate.

I will assume that everyone knows how an ester works and why one is added to the parent testosterone. With sustanon, you have 4 esters:30mg of prop60mg of phenylprop60mg of
isocaproate100mg of deconateCombined to give you 250mg. Now everyone knows for themselves how much test they should take due to previous cycles or no cycles at all. Lets take each
ester and see how long they will stay active in the body. 30mg of prop--Prop needs to be injected at least every other day to get the full benifits of the test. I think every third day is a little too long to wait, although some people may disagree. Now lets say
you are doing a prop only cycle and injecting 30mg twice a week. You can see already that is a waste of gear. If you inject 30mg of prop twice a week you are totally wasting your time. You will NOT grow off of this, so you can basically take sus and knock it down to 220mg an amp if you are injecting once or twice a week. 60 mg of phenylprop--Phenylprop is not that much different than prop. You can get away with injecting the phenylprop ester every third day. Anyone that has taken nandrolone with a phenylprop ester knows that it is shorter acting and must be injected twice a week (for example, getwoods powder). If injected twice a week, then lets even cushion the amount, you will have all 120 mg in one
week.
 
jboldman said:
I just can not believe the ignorance that all these posts are perpetuating. Test levels going up and down? Oh, c'mon, hardly. Don't any of you guys know about the pharmokinetics of injections of steroids. Basically all oil based steroids reach their maximum blood levels roughly 24hrs after injection and taper thereafter thru their half-lives. The prop does not "kick in" then the next ester, they ALL kick in, the shorter the halflife, the higher the initial blood level.

So if you say that, then it would also be true that if you took 1 shot a week of prop, your test levels would not be going up and down. I agree with the fact that "one ester kicks in and then another", but I don't think anyone said that.
 
Hey I do not mean to ruffle anyone's feathers but this is exactly the kind of thing that I was talking about. basically, when we inject a steroid, soon afterwards the blood level from that steroid peaks and starts down. If you take multiple steroids at the same time, they ALL peak, say within the next 24hrs, and they all start going down toward baseline. This is a smooth curve, not one with multiple peaks , after that they ALL collectively diminish. It is obvious that when you take another shot, a similar thing happens and the peak and curve is an additive one. The frequency of your shots will determine the peaks and the esters and volume will determine the magnitude of the peaks and curve. In other words, shooting sus two times a week will produce a graph not very dissimilar to that produced by shooting enanthate twice a week. The more frequent your shots the more constant your blood levels.



nuh_mizer said:


So if you say that, then it would also be true that if you took 1 shot a week of prop, your test levels would not be going up and down. I agree with the fact that "one ester kicks in and then another", but I don't think anyone said that.
 
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