sustanon, making it worth while

[jubei]

Here is my plan. In order to make use of the propionate that is in sustanon, I am planning to inject small amounts of prop in between sustanon injections to make better use of what is already in the sust.

Weekly scheduele:

Day 1: Sustanon 250 + 20 mg t. prop.
Day 2: nothing
Day 3: 50 mg t. prop.
Day 4: nothing
Day 5: Sustanon 250 + 20 mg t. prop.
Day 6: nothing
Day 7: 50 mg t. prop.

What do you guys think of this plan. I already have 60 ml of sustanon 250, so I thought I'd try and figure out how to use it to best effect. Your comments, and opinions would be appreciated.

 

[FatFinaHead]

I would take 100mg T. Propionate.

 

[genarr3]

20mgs of Propinate is a waste. 300mgs/week would be sufficent.

 

[Johnny Cut]

u do realize that there is only about 30 mg of prop in sust, sometimes less

 

[Nelson Montana]

Sure, that'll work. But why take the extra prop along with the sus? If it's even distribution you're looking for, wouldn't it make more sense to do it on alternate days?

You can achieve a similar effect with a longer lasting ester as well. It'll all work out in the end.

 

[jubei]

Okay, I already have 60 ml of sustanon. 20 mg would be a waste on its own, but if you add the 30mg in sust it equals 50mg. And genarr3, if you take 50 mg every other day, that equals to 325 mg per week. Johnny cut, there is not sometimes less than 30 mg of prop in sustanon, unless it's underdosed. If there is less, it's not sustanon.

 

[Mavin]

jubei, I like that idea. I think it will keep your blood levels a little more even that way. I'm doing something similar, except I am going to just take an amp eod. Let us know how it goes.

 

[IronLion]

O.K. Jubei we went down this road before so this time I am going to fully explain what I have said in the past in hopes that better communication will keep this from ending up like our last thread. I am not saying you need a gram a week to grow all I am saying is if you shoot sus once a week you are not getting the most effective dosages. It goes like this:

Sustanon250 is :
testosterone isocaproate 60mg = 5 days
testosterone decanoate 100mg = 7days
testosterone propionate 30 mg = 2 days
testosterone phenylpropionate 60mg = 3 days

therefore if you shoot 250 mg your active levels do this (assuming a 10% waste factor to account for the weight of the esters, yes I know this is over estimated but I'd rather ere on the side of caution):

Monday(shot)= 30 mg active
Tuesday = 25 mg active
Wednesday = 20 mg active
Thursday = 18
Friday = 15
Saturday = 12
Sunday = 9
Monday =6

as you can see most of the week was a waste b/c no one puts on size with 15 mg of test a day, plus the best way to promote growth and to minimize sides is to keep test levels even, which is why cyp or enanthate are better musclebuilding choices (they are easier to administer), now with sus to keep the levels even you have to shoot ed or eod...now this is where you freaked out last time and said that a gram a week is way too much, well in actuality your body will see no more that 600 mg a week if you shoot 250 eod, if that is more than you want then shoot 125 mg eod...the point is with sus you must shoot eod

profile for eod sus:
mon (shoot 250) = 30 mg active
tue = 25 mg
wed (shoot) = 60 mg
thurs = 48 mg
fri(shoot) = 78 mg
sat = 62 mg
sun (shoot) = 90 mg
mon = 75 mg
tue (s) = 100 mg
wed = 82 mg
thur(s) = 105 mg
fri = 88 mg
sat(s) = 110 mg
sun = 92 mg

so you see by week three you have a stable level ranging between 90 an 110 mg per day and it will stay there for the remainder of your cycle so long as you stay on this dosage scheme but remember, this didn't fully consider the ester weights so if you want to get technical there is even less there than it seems. My point is this most people that use sus use it incorrectly, it is a poor bb drug if shot once a week...it self tapers so to keep the test levels where they need to be(relatively even) to see real growth an minimize sides one must shoot ed or eod...the dosage is up to the individual if you want to do 250 mg a week then shoot 125 mg every other day... No malice intended, I hope that this helps you

 

[jubei]

Iron Lion,

No problems, I understand what you're saying. It makes sense, and I agree. The problem that I was trying to tackle was making use of the test prop. that is already in the sustanon. I am not ready to shoot 250mg of sust every other day...yet. I think I will take your advice though (with a little modification) I will inject eod, but at 125mg instead of 250. Keep in mind that I will also be doing trenbolone acetate @ 75mg every other day and Dianabol @25mg ed for the first 4-6weeks.

Thanks for taking the time to explain your point to me. I think last time we got our lines crossed. I was never disputing what you were trying to say, rather I was pointing out that on my first cycle all it took was 250 mg of sust, once a week to gain 20 lbs. Oh well, thanks for the good advice bro.

 

[dasgh]

Excuse my ignorant question please, but how does keeping the blood levels relatively even minimize sides?

 

[IronLion]

have fun with that cycle, it is the same one i am on plus a few mg, i had planned on running the tren weeks 1-6 and I could barely make it to three, the gains were amazing but I couldn't sleep, and when I did I sweated my everliving ass off...also it made me irritable as hell, three weeks got me 20 lbs and into my sus though...oh well good luck

 

[IronLion]

you are right in theory sus acts like a single long ester, but if that is the case then you are wasting the prop and the phenylprop so you are right sus 160 is along ester...it just comes down to this: yes sus will give you gains if shot once a week but you are using way less than you think and why shoot something that will not be fully utalized, you might as well use cyp if you want to shoot twice a week

 

[jubei]

Iron lion,

What is the schedule and dosage for your current cycle. You said you were doing sust and tren. Just wondering.

 

[IronLion]

sust 250 eod weeks 1-10
tren 50 mg ed weeks 1-3
dbol 50 mg ed weeks 1-3
arim .5 mg ed weeks 1-4 8-12
eq 400 mg a week 3-10

hcg 500 ed for the week after last sus shot and before clomid
using clen ramp with clomid as well

I started at 285 at about 12%
I weighed today at 305 same bf (i was hurt this week and haven't trained since monday, didn't eat well or sleep much the last couple of days and lost 5 lbs, fucking midterms, anyway I am back on track and hope to put on 20 more lbs before I am dodne here

 

[jubei]

Iron lion,

what do you do about fina gyno?? I'm guessing nothing because you didn't list bromo. Should I be okay without it @ 75mg eod??

 

[Latamier]

What I have done in the past is inject an extra amp or 2 of sten each week till I feel the sust really kick in. Sten for me is so dirt cheap that I cant really loose on it.

 

[IronLion]

75 eod is great...I didn't have a problem with the progestagenic gyno that fina can cause but I didn't have gyno problems with deca either or anadrol for that matter so I wasn't worried...all in all fina did not shut me down hard, did not give me gyno, but it made me one pissed of insomniac who sweated a gallon a night, oh and my appetite wasn't so good...what I am saying is that it is a personal thing which sides affect you, so I would have and take the bromo just in case if you are worried about it, just try it and don't be afraid to cut back and or quit if the sides are too much, i could only stand three weeks of it