sust or masteron safer for 19 year old

[romoranger]

i would say just run 250mg test sust or around 400mg test e a week, throw in a little dbol at first if you want. if the diet is on you will gain, at that age it seems the lower dose works better, at least from what i have seen, call me dumb its just what i have seen happen

 

[bigmk]

funny, I dont remember him asking if he should do the cycle, just asking advice on running it, so some of you really need to get down off your soapbox and if you cant answer the question, leave him alone. If he wants to run a cycle, instead of telling him he shouldnt, how about helping him do it right
This board is full of people that shouldnt be anywhere near gear as they look like they have never seen a gym, yet they give advice like a pro

Ouch! But so true.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

i would say just run 250mg test sust or around 400mg test e a week, throw in a little dbol at first if you want. if the diet is on you will gain, at that age it seems the lower dose works better, at least from what i have seen, call me dumb its just what i have seen happen

Oh... that's going to work really well for a college football player... not! Massive doses... and you better be able to pass a drug test. If you are worried about your health, find a different sport. No offense, but you have to be willing make a few sacrifices and take risks with your body to get anywhere in that sport. You need to be on test suspension if you use test, and anything less than a gram of gear a weak, is pointless. Did no one else read the part about him needing to play ball in order to get through college... these mild cycles are not gonig to work... and are going to get him in trouble on his drug tests. Sustanon... test enathate? WTF?

 

[Jenetic]

Had I known 3 years ago what I know now about nutrition, training and steroids I would be alot farther along than I am now. There is just no excuss for doing a some of these stacks when you could easly gain another 30 lbs of muscle naturally, in very short period of time.

There are many people here who have made mistakes and now realize them. Although their remarks may come off as harsh or negative, it is acutally said to give the other people advice through wisdom. They say statements such as the above because they care and don't want to see someone put themselves at harms way when it is not necessary. In a way, it's not much different than your parents telling you not to do so. Yet you still end up doing it anyways.

Neither party should try to discredit the other. Instead, they should both be veiwed as constructive criticism. It is in everyones best interest as brothers to at least speak their peace. Then it is up to whomever to either regard or disregard the advice. We are all responsible for our actions and must live with consequences.

 

[needsize]

Oh... that's going to work really well for a college football player... not! Massive doses... and you better be able to pass a drug test. If you are worried about your health, find a different sport. No offense, but you have to be willing make a few sacrifices and take risks with your body to get anywhere in that sport. You need to be on test suspension if you use test, and anything less than a gram of gear a weak, is pointless. Did no one else read the part about him needing to play ball in order to get through college... these mild cycles are not gonig to work... and are going to get him in trouble on his drug tests. Sustanon... test enathate? WTF?

why exactly does he need massive doses, I'm confused on that one. Hes a steroid newbie, which means he will make great gains on small doses? A gram a week is not necessary, as he would gain the same on half of that

 

[Deleted member 33117]

why exactly does he need massive doses, I'm confused on that one. Hes a steroid newbie, which means he will make great gains on small doses? A gram a week is not necessary, as he would gain the same on half of that

Ok, let me clarify. I think he should not juice at all, but I think college football is fucking stupid. Now, the fact of the matter remains that he knows there is a high risk, but he wants to get a full ride through college via football, but knows he lacks both the size and strenght necissary to do so. He doesn't have 3 years to slowly cycle as he should. He needs to be benching 405 for reps and be over 200 lbs and relatively lean... right now.

What I am recomending is stupid, and a bad idea, but that is why I think college ball and the NFL are both bad, and do not watch them because I know it ruins the health and bodies of those who take these things seriously. I've meet enough talented college ball players and seen what sort of stacks these kids starting using while they are still in high school to know they are screwed later in life. Also bear in mind he is going to be tested regularly as a scholorship athlete, assuming he can get the scholorships. Stop recomending the drugs you are suggesting. Again, my cousin at 21 was benching 585 for 5 reps and squating 705 to the floor for reps.... but he had to pay a high price. Over 2 grams of test suspesion a week, with anavar, anadrol, hgh and insulin being used off and on as well... was not uncommon. He got drafted by the Seahawks his last year of college, got a full ride through school, his rent covered, and spending money while in school... but it came at a price. So, for all of the football fans out there, think about that next time you sit down on Sunday and enjoy the game.

If the kid is serious about this, he will have to use alot of gear, very fast to get where he wants to be, and yes it may very well host him his health, but if his mind is made up, that's that.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

In all honesty though, I think you should stay natural for awhile, forget football... and try to get grants and scholorships... there are such things as student loans also.

 

[needsize]

Ok, let me clarify. I think he should not juice at all, but I think college football is fucking stupid. Now, the fact of the matter remains that he knows there is a high risk, but he wants to get a full ride through college via football, but knows he lacks both the size and strenght necissary to do so. He doesn't have 3 years to slowly cycle as he should. He needs to be benching 405 for reps and be over 200 lbs and relatively lean... right now.

What I am recomending is stupid, and a bad idea, but that is why I think college ball and the NFL are both bad, and do not watch them because I know it ruins the health and bodies of those who take these things seriously. I've meet enough talented college ball players and seen what sort of stacks these kids starting using while they are still in high school to know they are screwed later in life. Also bear in mind he is going to be tested regularly as a scholorship athlete, assuming he can get the scholorships. Stop recomending the drugs you are suggesting. Again, my cousin at 21 was benching 585 for 5 reps and squating 705 to the floor for reps.... but he had to pay a high price. Over 2 grams of test suspesion a week, with anavar, anadrol, hgh and insulin being used off and on as well... was not uncommon. He got drafted by the Seahawks his last year of college, got a full ride through school, his rent covered, and spending money while in school... but it came at a price. So, for all of the football fans out there, think about that next time you sit down on Sunday and enjoy the game.

If the kid is serious about this, he will have to use alot of gear, very fast to get where he wants to be, and yes it may very well host him his health, but if his mind is made up, that's that.

I see what you are saying, but at the same time, on his first cycle, there likely wont be any difference in how his body grows/gains strength on 500 mg vs 2000mg per week, he will blow up anyway, and anything over that much is past the saturation point anyway

 

[georgie24]

those are two differnet drugs (purposes)

 

[calli]

Ok, let me clarify. I think he should not juice at all, but I think college football is fucking stupid. Now, the fact of the matter remains that he knows there is a high risk, but he wants to get a full ride through college via football, but knows he lacks both the size and strenght necissary to do so. He doesn't have 3 years to slowly cycle as he should. He needs to be benching 405 for reps and be over 200 lbs and relatively lean... right now.

What I am recomending is stupid, and a bad idea, but that is why I think college ball and the NFL are both bad, and do not watch them because I know it ruins the health and bodies of those who take these things seriously. I've meet enough talented college ball players and seen what sort of stacks these kids starting using while they are still in high school to know they are screwed later in life. Also bear in mind he is going to be tested regularly as a scholorship athlete, assuming he can get the scholorships. Stop recomending the drugs you are suggesting. Again, my cousin at 21 was benching 585 for 5 reps and squating 705 to the floor for reps.... but he had to pay a high price. Over 2 grams of test suspesion a week, with anavar, anadrol, hgh and insulin being used off and on as well... was not uncommon. He got drafted by the Seahawks his last year of college, got a full ride through school, his rent covered, and spending money while in school... but it came at a price. So, for all of the football fans out there, think about that next time you sit down on Sunday and enjoy the game.

If the kid is serious about this, he will have to use alot of gear, very fast to get where he wants to be, and yes it may very well host him his health, but if his mind is made up, that's that.

I agree with what your saying but having to get real big real fast. But, I don't have to be stacked to get what I want. I'm a kicker so my weight and height would help to be a little better, but I do not need to be massive to be good. Like I was saying before withme it's mostly a strengthing cycle. I want something to stack with var and i heard var and sust was a good mix. Would it be better for me to go with test susp and var? Is there some advantage with test susp over sust? or var and winny? how would that work as a strength cycle? I'm looking for 70% strength to about 30% build. My training is going well, but i want a few more yards, which i won't be able to obtain naturally by the time it will be required.