supplements need to know the truth

[rfowler]

Fellas I am coming up on pct I need to know the best supplements to help me feel as close to on as possible. Give it to me straight and tell me how they did for you personally. Thanks

 

[rfowler]

Fellas I am coming up on pct I need to know the best supplements to help me feel as close to on as possible. Give it to me straight and tell me how they did for you personally. Thanks

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[sofakingdel]

yeah me too, but from wut I here Amp O2 is suppossed to be some pretty good stuff, havent tried it myself yet though.

 

[Stryker1992]

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Guys, from what I understand there are a few options as far as "supplements" go. There is Derma, which is here by primordial. also there is Unleashed and post cycle by www.proteinfactory.com Nelson knows about this stuff.

I am in the process of getting ready to try some of these for PCT myself.

 

[rfowler]

Guys, from what I understand there are a few options as far as "supplements" go. There is Derma, which is here by primordial. also there is Unleashed and post cycle by www.proteinfactory.com Nelson knows about this stuff.

I am in the process of getting ready to try some of these for PCT myself.

lets keep it real on here and tell our true experiences on these products, you know like a true review. I know there is some good stuff out there. what are you thinking of trying for pct?

 

[Nelson Montana]

For PCT certain supps will help you recover faster. For light cycles you may need only supps. For hardcore dosages and/or longterm use you'll need normal PCT but again, the supps will help.

There are various supps that do certain things. Amp 02 kicks ass and I wouldn't try and compete with it.

ZIP is a nice addition to any cutting routine and can be used with AMP 02.

Creatine, avenacosides, omega 3's -- a lot of stuff will help. It depends on what you need and want.

 

[rfowler]

For PCT certain supps will help you recover faster. For light cycles you may need only supps. For hardcore dosages and/or longterm use you'll need normal PCT but again, the supps will help.

There are various supps that do certain things. Amp 02 kicks ass and I wouldn't try and compete with it.

ZIP is a nice addition to any cutting routine and can be used with AMP 02.

Creatine, avenacosides, omega 3's -- a lot of stuff will help. It depends on what you need and want.

so what would you reccomend for me who cares about strength and keeping size. I will be doing hcg, and clomid plus hgh 2 iu per day. I know you work with supplements and what not, so what do you think?

 

[Stryker1992]

lets keep it real on here and tell our true experiences on these products, you know like a true review. I know there is some good stuff out there. what are you thinking of trying for pct?

Bro, I hear you on this. I can't tell you a lot yet because I am not there yet. I know that I have always strugled with pct. I have the usual clomid, a-dex, etc for just in case the more "natural" stuff that is around does not work. I never feel well on clomid, that is for sure! I get very depressed and shit.

So, I am not trying to blow smoke, I am just conversing with you.

I have purchased the Derma sustain. I have also order unleashed and post cycle, like I stated.

I do have clomid, and hcg.

 

[njmuscleguy]

I'm in currently what I believe to be by far my best PCT yet... I ran HCG at the end of my cycle, then started with Derma (both the original and the new Sustain). I'm also running Tribex Gold and ZMA... before my workouts, I take Red Blast... it's "ok"... definitely keeps you alert and focused, but nothing earth-shattering... I also take amino's (especially glutamine) before and after workouts and at bedtime, flax oil at night and extra creatine (Purecee) after my workouts. I think this is a nice effective combo of supplements.

 

[jcmule]

What about the Nolvadex XT supplement you hear about? It made by Gapsari Nutrition.

 

[Nelson Montana]

so what would you reccomend for me who cares about strength and keeping size. I will be doing hcg, and clomid plus hgh 2 iu per day. I know you work with supplements and what not, so what do you think?

ZMA is just zinc. You can buy it at the drug store for three bucks.

Tribulus is not very effective. MyogenX has been shown to increase LH much better. Worth trying along with HCG.

Not familiar with Dermacrine sustain but heard good reports.

Strength and keeping size and keeping gains? Keep it simple.

This one for strength and size. http://proteinfactory.com/shop/product.php?productid=145&cat=0&page=1


This one to help PCT.http://proteinfactory.com/shop/product.php?productid=110&cat=0&page=1


There are other options of course. But just like with gear, get a feel for what's working and how much you need. Then, if you want to branch out, you know which way to go.

 

[rfowler]

ZMA is just zinc. You can buy it at the drug store for three bucks.

Tribulus is not very effective. MyogenX has been shown to increase LH much better. Worth trying along with HCG.

Not familiar with Dermacrine sustain but heard good reports.

Strength and keeping size and keeping gains? Keep it simple.

This one for strength and size. http://proteinfactory.com/shop/product.php?productid=145&cat=0&page=1


This one to help PCT.http://proteinfactory.com/shop/product.php?productid=110&cat=0&page=1


There are other options of course. But just like with gear, get a feel for what's working and how much you need. Then, if you want to branch out, you know which way to go.

Ok I like the big blast and post cycle actually looks great. so how would this sound for a nice pct nelson,

wk 1 500mcg hcg ed
post cycle supplement ed
big blast ed
zip ed
dermacrine sustain ed
wk2 clomid 50 mg ed
post cycle supplement ed
big blast ed
zip ed
dermacrine sustain ed
wk3 clomid 100mg ed
post cycle supplement ed
big blast ed
zip ed
dermacrine sustain ed
wk4clomid 50mg ed
post cycle supplement ed
big blast ed
zip ed
dermacrine sustain ed
wk 5
post cycle supplement ed
big blast ed
zip ed
dermacrine sustain ed
done.

 

[rfowler]

Bro, I hear you on this. I can't tell you a lot yet because I am not there yet. I know that I have always strugled with pct. I have the usual clomid, a-dex, etc for just in case the more "natural" stuff that is around does not work. I never feel well on clomid, that is for sure! I get very depressed and shit.

So, I am not trying to blow smoke, I am just conversing with you.

I have purchased the Derma sustain. I have also order unleashed and post cycle, like I stated.

I do have clomid, and hcg.

Oh I know your not blowing smoke bro. Dont worry I know you are a solid bro who provides honest feedback and opinions. I am going to go with dermacrine sustain, big blast, post cycle, and zip, I may try unleashed as well.

 

[SpyWizard]

Myogenx is the shit, i can vouch for that.. ever do a var only cycle/?? get back pumps from that..

MyogenX has a ver similar effect.. Did i say i like this product??

 

[rfowler]

Myogenx is the shit, i can vouch for that.. ever do a var only cycle/?? get back pumps from that..

MyogenX has a ver similar effect.. Did i say i like this product??

you got a link for it?

 

[sofakingdel]

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[Nelson Montana]

Ok I like the big blast and post cycle actually looks great. so how would this sound for a nice pct nelson,

wk 1 500mcg hcg ed
post cycle supplement ed
big blast ed
zip ed
dermacrine sustain ed
wk2 clomid 50 mg ed
post cycle supplement ed
big blast ed
zip ed
dermacrine sustain ed
wk3 clomid 100mg ed
post cycle supplement ed
big blast ed
zip ed
dermacrine sustain ed
wk4clomid 50mg ed
post cycle supplement ed
big blast ed
zip ed
dermacrine sustain ed
wk 5
post cycle supplement ed
big blast ed
zip ed
dermacrine sustain ed
done.

That actually looks pretty good.

 

[rfowler]

That actually looks pretty good.

would adding unleashed be overkill?

 

[needtogetaas]

I'm in currently what I believe to be by far my best PCT yet... I ran HCG at the end of my cycle, then started with Derma (both the original and the new Sustain). I'm also running Tribex Gold and ZMA... before my workouts, I take Red Blast... it's "ok"... definitely keeps you alert and focused, but nothing earth-shattering... I also take amino's (especially glutamine) before and after workouts and at bedtime, flax oil at night and extra creatine (Purecee) after my workouts. I think this is a nice effective combo of supplements.

I would have to go with this also.I have used dermacrin and fucking loved it.going to use it again and again to.http://www.primordialperformance.com/

 

[Nelson Montana]

would adding unleashed be overkill?

No, because it works differently. UNLEASHED lowers SHBG which in turn increases free testosterone. The reason it works whereas other BS test boosters don't is because it doesn't attempt raise total test (which I don't believe is possible without drugs) but it makes what you have more bioavailable. Obviously, that can be helpful anytime -- natty, on cycle and PC. Having more available test is always better.

 

[needtogetaas]

Ok I like the big blast and post cycle actually looks great. so how would this sound for a nice pct nelson,

wk 1 500mcg hcg ed
post cycle supplement ed
big blast ed
zip ed
dermacrine sustain ed
wk2 clomid 50 mg ed
post cycle supplement ed
big blast ed
zip ed
dermacrine sustain ed
wk3 clomid 100mg ed
post cycle supplement ed
big blast ed
zip ed
dermacrine sustain ed
wk4clomid 50mg ed
post cycle supplement ed
big blast ed
zip ed
dermacrine sustain ed
wk 5
post cycle supplement ed
big blast ed
zip ed
dermacrine sustain ed
done.

if you did not recover doing that then there would be some thing wrong with you lol

 

[rfowler]

ok I changed it up and ordered the following
amp 02 and pure mcc
post cycle by protein factory
dermacrine sustain
I am adding this to hcg and clomid hoping for a smooth pct recovery

 

[Nelson Montana]

ok I changed it up and ordered the following
amp 02 and pure mcc
post cycle by protein factory
dermacrine sustain
I am adding this to hcg and clomid hoping for a smooth pct recovery

amp02 is a great stim but don't discount BIG BLAST to maintain gains.

 

[OMEGA]

Thank you Nelson

that was nice of you to say.

 

[OMEGA]

ok I changed it up and ordered the following
amp 02 and pure mcc
post cycle by protein factory
dermacrine sustain
I am adding this to hcg and clomid hoping for a smooth pct recovery

Thanks rfowler

Amplify02 will keep you primed in the gym and defiantly make you feel like Lifting.

The RawMCC should help keep Strength up and provides cell Volumization.


As you recover you may discover happily that alot more Net gains kept.

Supp your using along with good PCT can really make all the difference

 

[rfowler]

amp02 is a great stim but don't discount BIG BLAST to maintain gains.

i knew i was forgetting something. how does it taste?

 

[Nelson Montana]

i knew I was forgetting something. how does it taste?

I know it's a little "wrong" but the tropical orange blended with ice and Sunny Delite is fucking awesome!

Yeah, that 's right, I said Sunny Delite. Total crap. You could use water and it's still great but with the Sunny D it's ridiculous.

 

[GLEN]

i love no2/ce2 and im about to do give omegas stuff a try-

 

[rfowler]

I know it's a little "wrong" but the tropical orange blended with ice and Sunny Delite is fucking awesome!

Yeah, that 's right, I said Sunny Delite. Total crap. You could use water and it's still great but with the Sunny D it's ridiculous.

best liver and kidney supps?

 

[Nelson Montana]

best liver and kidney supps?

The "POST CYCLE" will have you covered for the liver. You can add some Liv 52 for extra but honestly, I've never seen much literature on its effectiveness. It's mostly anecdotal.

For kidneys, the best thing is water, water, water. I designed an herbal diuretic that will be out soon but you can get the ingredients seperately -- dandelion, uva ursi, horse chestnut, parsley, boswella, potassium, aloe, B6, and Buchu leaf. It's actually more to lose subcutaneous water though. The kidneys don't filter like the liver so they're less suseptable to damage. Orals especially are very hard on the liver because they essentially stop it from doing what it's supposed to do -- filter.

 

[rfowler]

The "POST CYCLE" will have you covered for the liver. You can add some Liv 52 for extra but honestly, I've never seen much literature on its effectiveness. It's mostly anecdotal.

For kidneys, the best thing is water, water, water. I designed an herbal diuretic that will be out soon but you can get the ingredients seperately -- dandelion, uva ursi, horse chestnut, parsley, boswella, potassium, aloe, B6, and Buchu leaf. It's actually more to lose subcutaneous water though. The kidneys don't filter like the liver so they're less suseptable to damage. Orals especially are very hard on the liver because they essentially stop it from doing what it's supposed to do -- filter.

can I take the amp with my daily phentermine? I workout usually around 2 or 3 so will the amp keep me up all night?

 

[Nelson Montana]

can I take the amp with my daily phentermine? I workout usually around 2 or 3 so will the amp keep me up all night?

It's certainly possible. Amp is pretty intense. Omega might be the guy who can better answer that.

 

[njmuscleguy]

Thanks rfowler

Amplify02 will keep you primed in the gym and defiantly make you feel like Lifting.

The RawMCC should help keep Strength up and provides cell Volumization.


As you recover you may discover happily that alot more Net gains kept.

Supp your using along with good PCT can really make all the difference

What is an honest comparison between Amp02, Red Blast, and NO-Xplode? They seem to be in the same class of supplement (ie. pre-workout, stimulant, NO, Creatine). I've tried one but didn't give it a fare shot, tried another and it seems to work "ok"... haven't tried the 3rd.

 

[needtogetaas]

The "POST CYCLE" will have you covered for the liver. You can add some Liv 52 for extra but honestly, I've never seen much literature on its effectiveness. It's mostly anecdotal.

For kidneys, the best thing is water, water, water. I designed an herbal diuretic that will be out soon but you can get the ingredients seperately -- dandelion, uva ursi, horse chestnut, parsley, boswella, potassium, aloe, B6, and Buchu leaf. It's actually more to lose subcutaneous water though. The kidneys don't filter like the liver so they're less suseptable to damage. Orals especially are very hard on the liver because they essentially stop it from doing what it's supposed to do -- filter.

ya custom caps has a lot of that stuff that you can use to make your on liver cap......http://www.customcapsule.com/index.html I made up a nice cap for a guy just the other day..

 

[OMEGA]

What is an honest comparison between Amp02, Red Blast, and NO-Xplode? They seem to be in the same class of supplement (ie. pre-workout, stimulant, NO, Creatine). I've tried one but didn't give it a fare shot, tried another and it seems to work "ok"... haven't tried the 3rd.

ps me Bro when you get a chance