Supplements between cycles?

[yourmomgoestocollege]

I just wrapped up a mini cycle to get the ball rolling after a 9 month layoff due to spraining my shoulder twice. I have my BF down to about 11% and feel good. My question is what products do you guys use when not on? Creatine combined with what?

I am looking to gain clean pounds here. My diet is always in check whether bulking or cutting so I don't need help there. Too many new products to sift through to see what is garbage and what actually works. It seems most of the MuscleTech stuff is crap, but I don't know for sure.

Any thoughts or current off cycle stacks would be appreciated. K to those who help!

J

 

[danny_N]

protein creatine glutamine zma amino.

 

[littleb]

glutamine, creatine, tribulis, fish oils, garlic, multi vit. of course, zma.. and niacin once in a while..

 

[njmuscleguy]

Between cycles:
CEE
NO-xplode
ZMA
IGF
Derma / Sustain

All the time:
Animal Pak
Glutamine / BCAA's
Fish Oil / Flax Oil
Protein (Whey, Casein, Big Blast)
Fiber
ALCAR / r-ALA

 

[Selene]

always on and off

good multi vitamin, glutamine, creatine, fish oils, fiber supplement, coral calcium

 

[littleb]

Between cycles:
CEE
NO-xplode
ZMA
IGF
Derma / Sustain

All the time:
Animal Pak
Glutamine / BCAA's
Fish Oil / Flax Oil
Protein (Whey, Casein, Big Blast)
Fiber
ALCAR / r-alpha lipoic acid

hey bro, whats up.. question for you, animal pak, heard of it but to be honest never even googled it.. whats in it??/ sry to original poster not trying to jack your thread..

 

[yourmomgoestocollege]

Thanks guys! I will maybe try the Amp 02 product line and see what I like. I will be starting my clomid next week so my cranky time begins.

Has anyone tried Gakic? Does it work?

 

[njmuscleguy]

hey bro, whats up.. question for you, animal pak, heard of it but to be honest never even googled it.. whats in it??/ sry to original poster not trying to jack your thread..

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/univ/animalpak.html

Pretty much anything you need from a multi (and then some)

 

[needtogetaas]

I just wrapped up a mini cycle to get the ball rolling after a 9 month layoff due to spraining my shoulder twice. I have my BF down to about 11% and feel good. My question is what products do you guys use when not on? Creatine combined with what?

I am looking to gain clean pounds here. My diet is always in check whether bulking or cutting so I don't need help there. Too many new products to sift through to see what is garbage and what actually works. It seems most of the MuscleTech stuff is crap, but I don't know for sure.

Any thoughts or current off cycle stacks would be appreciated. K to those who help!

J

dermacrin works great for a lot of things well off cycle.strength,appetite,increased recovery and a hole lot more.http://www.primordialperformance.com/


also as far as any other sup,vit,mineral,protein,herbs,research products custom caps has it all and can make anything you can think of.

 

[littleb]

sry nj must spread karma, tried.... Thanks bro, I am gonna give it a try.. its a lot of what i take condensed... I hit you with k when i can bro.. ..
Im gonna go plat again " just for search feature" So I am going to give away alll the free karma they give... karma should be earned, not bought...

Thanks again bro.. was being lazy

 

[Nelson Montana]

Clean bulking? BIG BLAST and ZIP and above and beyond everything else.

As for Animal Stak -- it contains DHT blockers -- aka ANTI ANDROGENS. What does tell you how much thst company knows about bodybuilding?

 

[orat]

I just wrapped up a mini cycle to get the ball rolling after a 9 month layoff due to spraining my shoulder twice. I have my BF down to about 11% and feel good. My question is what products do you guys use when not on? Creatine combined with what?

I am looking to gain clean pounds here. My diet is always in check whether bulking or cutting so I don't need help there. Too many new products to sift through to see what is garbage and what actually works. It seems most of the MuscleTech stuff is crap, but I don't know for sure.

Any thoughts or current off cycle stacks would be appreciated. K to those who help!

J

The original Dermacrine is great for a 3-4 week cycle. It will improve your mood, your mental acuity, your libido, and DHEA levels. It may improve your test levels but I am not completely convinced of that yet. I am convinced however that it does have some anabolic and androgenic properties, along with some fat burning qualities. My wife uses one small lotion pump a day and wants to fuck and suck my cock all the time so if you have a significant other it could also be used as a side-benefit like that.

Eight caps of Amplify02 about 30 minutes before your workout will turn you into a fucking monster with laser-like focus, intense motivation, and significant muscular and cardiovascular energy. The regular dose is 12 caps- I started at 6 and frankly, don't know that I could handle more than 8. The muscle pumps it gives you are a great bonus too. The stimulation from Amp02 is not just a caffeine buzz, although it does contain caffeine. It has a different characteristic that I find hard to articulate. The best I can do is tell you that it feels like you have a massive amount of unstable energy in your body and the only way to get it out is to lift large amounts of heavy weights.

Lipoflame is great for energy but I've been on it less than one week so I can't say how effective it is at its advertised purpose (fat loss).

Others have mentioned BCAAs, which I agree with. Honestly I am a huge skeptic, in general, and don't buy into most supplement advertising so what I'm telling you was quite surprising to me when I experienced it.

 

[njmuscleguy]

Clean bulking? BIG BLAST and ZIP and above and beyond everything else.

As for Animal Stak -- it contains dihydrotestosterone blockers -- aka ANTI ANDROGENS. What does tell you how much thst company knows about bodybuilding?

Wasn't aware of that... which ingredient(s) exactly are dht blockers?

 

[Nelson Montana]

Wasn't aware of that... which ingredient(s) exactly are dihydrotestosterone blockers?

Saw palmetto, sitasterol and pygeum all stop DHT, which is responsible for muscle hardness and necessary to acheive an erection. It also prevents estrogen from forming (Proviron is pretty much pure D H T)

It says so right here. .http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/univ/stak2.html

Compare it to this -- all ingredients designed for bodybuilders. http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/pfac/dx7.html

 

[njmuscleguy]

Well, those are all for prostate health... I never considered that these ingredients could cause any issues with muscle development or libido... and I take 2 of these packs a day! Might have to re-think this. It's just weird that if this is a product geared towards bodybuilders, they would include ingredients that would be counter-productive?

 

[mobro]

O.K. Nelson, here's a freebie. What do you know about DX 7? And if you don't, please just say so.

 

[Nelson Montana]

nj -- the fact that it's counterproductive to bodybuilders is just ironic. You see, these manufacturers include things that are known to be used by men. They have no idea why. They read that saw palmetto is good for prostate health so they throw it in, figuring it's good. This is the difference between big business and people who are in the trenches.

mobro -- I designed DX7 so I know quite a bit about it. One thing that is pretty amazing is beta glucan -- a big factor with recovery and an ingredient you won't find in any other multi. (to my knowledge). What would you like to know?

 

[krishna]

The essentials are creatine, glutamine, BCAA's, multi, r-ala, dialing in your diet, timing your nutrition according to workouts, and working out with all you got!

 

[Nelson Montana]

The essentials are creatine, glutamine, BCAA's, multi, r-alpha lipoic acid, dialing in your diet, timing your nutrition according to workouts, and working out with all you got!

Ironic, since glutamine is classified as a NON essential amino acid. It's pretty much worthless. Save your money.

Creatine is good only when bulking.

BCAA's are good but hardly "essential." If you use a good whey isolate you get plenty. Save your money.

rla is more essential than a MULTI?!?!

Dude, I think you just want to disagree with whatever I say. If so, at least try and make sense.

I also think "nutrient timing" is the most OVERRATED aspect of bodybuilding. But that's a topic for another time.

 

[krishna]

Ironic, since glutamine is classified as a NON essential amino acid. It's pretty much worthless. Save your money.

Creatine is good only when bulking.

BCAA's are good but hardly "essential." If you use a good whey isolate you get plenty. Save your money.

rla is more essential than a MULTI?!?!

Dude, I think you just want to disagree with whatever I say. If so, at least try and make sense.

I also think "nutrient timing" is the most OVERRATED aspect of bodybuilding. But that's a topic for another time.

My post had nothing to do with you bro. And when did I say rla was more essential than a multi? By essentials, I meant things that I wouldn't go without while off. He was asking for our opinions wasn't he? Well that's what I gave. If yours is different then that's fine. I didn't go bashing yours so why are you jumping on mine? Like I said, my post had nothing to do with you. I didn't even read any other posts before posting mine. Chill bro!

 

[needtogetaas]

My post had nothing to do with you bro. And when did I say rla was more essential than a multi? By essentials, I meant things that I wouldn't go without while off. He was asking for our opinions wasn't he? Well that's what I gave. If yours is different then that's fine. I didn't go bashing yours so why are you jumping on mine? Like I said, my post had nothing to do with you. I didn't even read any other posts before posting mine. Chill bro!

trouble makers like you on this site are a dieing breed...have fun well it lasts.

 

[krishna]

trouble makers like you on this site are a dieing breed...have fun well it lasts.

Ya all the good ol boys and vets left cause they're sick of you plugging your goddamn products every other thread while bashing tried and true regimins. You douchebags don't care about the new members, you just want to sell them stuff. You're totally see-through bro.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Ya all the good ol boys and vets left cause they're sick of you plugging your goddamn products every other thread while bashing tried and true regimins. You douchebags don't care about the new members, you just want to sell them stuff. You're totally see-through bro.

And here I was just about to give you the benefit of the doubt. It's one thing to debate, another to insult.

Nothing is "tried and true." I'm offering a debatable topic. If you don't like it, avoid it and go on the "Which test is best?" thread.

Nobody left because they were sick of product discussion.

Most of the sponsers here have offered plenty of advice that helped new memebers without any mention of products.

Sounds like you need to chill a bit bro.

 

[needtogetaas]

And here I was just about to give you the benefit of the doubt. It's one thing to debate, another to insult.

Nothing is "tried and true." I'm offering a debatable topic. If you don't like it, avoid it and go on the "Which test is best?" thread.

Nobody left because they were sick of product discussion.

Most of the sponsers here have offered plenty of advice that helped new memebers without any mention of products.

Sounds like you need to chill a bit bro.

lol I am saying right...no one is helping the new members more then me nelson,ar,mac,pp,and some others...I get 20-30 pms a day and I answer them all with in minuets 99% of them have nothing to do with a product from a sponsor..your trying to sell a consent that no one is buying any more bro.thats hwy I said you are a dieing breed.the fighting,name calling,shit talking is far to old around here.haters like you that are moe in it to be a dick then to help out or fading and ef is finely getting back to where it should be.helping its members.

 

[jmead]

i dont see how krish was attaching anyone until he was basically told everything he said was wrong..

he was offering his input.. got told it was completely wrong, then you told him hes a dieing breed.. i dont think krish was the one going overboard here

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

Between cycles:
CEE
NO-xplode
ZMA
IGF
Derma / Sustain

All the time:
Animal Pak
Glutamine / BCAA's
Fish Oil / Flax Oil
Protein (Whey, Casein, Big Blast)
Fiber
ALCAR / r-alpha lipoic acid

why the extra fiber and how much? what kind?

 

[crazyjoe]

hey bro, whats up.. question for you, animal pak, heard of it but to be honest never even googled it.. whats in it??/ sry to original poster not trying to jack your thread..

Animal Paks are garbage. The only thing there really good for is making anything stink that comes in contact with them!

 

[krishna]

lol I am saying right...no one is helping the new members more then me nelson,ar,mac,pp,and some others...I get 20-30 pms a day and I answer them all with in minuets 99% of them have nothing to do with a product from a sponsor..your trying to sell a consent that no one is buying any more bro.thats hwy I said you are a dieing breed.the fighting,name calling,shit talking is far to old around here.haters like you that are moe in it to be a dick then to help out or fading and ef is finely getting back to where it should be.helping its members.

I remember when you were doing your first cycle a couple years back and now you're an expert eh? You insulted me first bro. You're a hypocrite too. I'm not trying to sell anything so quit being dumb. Do you think I sell clomid or something? I'm just sick of you all saying it doesn't work so you can get people to buy your products instead. IT DOES WORK, AND ITS WORKED FOR ME EVERTYTIME! Plug your product, I don't care; just don't lie to people while you do it; that's not helping anybody but yourself.

 

[needtogetaas]

I remember when you were doing your first cycle a couple years back and now you're an expert eh? You insulted me first bro. You're a hypocrite too. I'm not trying to sell anything so quit being dumb. Do you think I sell clomid or something? I'm just sick of you all saying it doesn't work so you can get people to buy your products instead. IT DOES WORK, AND ITS WORKED FOR ME EVERTYTIME! Plug your product, I don't care; just don't lie to people while you do it; that's not helping anybody but yourself.

lets get something str8 right of the bat....you go threw all my well over 36k post and find one time I said clomid dos not work....lets just start there.then will cover the rest.

 

[njmuscleguy]

why the extra fiber and how much? what kind?

well, first and foremost, for regularity... especially when taking in extra protein or dieting. it also has other health benefits.... keeping cholesterol in check, colon health, diabetes....

I use psyllium husk fiber... best one in my opinion.... you should experiment with dosages until you find your "sweet spot"

 

[krbn08]

Thanks guys! I will maybe try the Amp 02 product line and see what I like. I will be starting my clomid next week so my cranky time begins.

Has anyone tried Gakic? Does it work?

In general, muscletech sucks.

I tried there mass stack once (Gakic, Leukic, Creakic)

it was garbage and it costed quite a bit too.

almost EVERYONE buys into muscletech's

"We research and prove our products work bullshit"

i did and i regret it.

and why didn't anybody tell this guy muscletech sucks?

Everyone on this site should know by now that muscletech sucks.

Too busy fighting and arguing to answer his question?

 

[danny_N]

Nobody tell that muscletech aint worth maybe because its matter of course!

 

[mobro]

i dont see how krish was attaching anyone until he was basically told everything he said was wrong..

he was offering his input.. got told it was completely wrong, then you told him hes a dieing breed.. i dont think krish was the one going overboard here

Agree.......The man gave his opinion, which is what was asked for. Nelson, you gave yours and nobody said a word. Krish didn't even address his answer to anyone except the poor guy that started the thread. Needto, what the f**k man? that was uncalled for and we all know it. And yeah a lot of guys have left because of that shit. and they were replaced by...what? childish comments? If you are going to try to be a leader here, lead by example. And either remove the stickies that were created to stop this kind of thing or follow them. I hope the new guys here take a long hard look at how some answer questions. An honest answer stands out, as does a promotional one. who actually makes the decisions around here now? (and that is an honest question so that we know who to address concerns to)

 

[mobro]

Your very own post Nelson:

Agreed. This board isn't just about a handful of vets hadning out advice to necomers. It's about exploring new ideas and investigating possibilitues. Now and then there's going to be some controversy. If you have a contrary opinion, voice it, and say why. But just bashing the poster because the info isn't what you want to hear is just childish and counterproductive.

come on guys, you are ruining a good thing here. i have finally gotten to know some good guys and gals here.

 

[Ironraider]

Creatine-Multi-BCCAs-Fish Oils-Spike (Biotest product)-

 

[mobro]

NOXPLODE(for now), multi, super B complex, protein........
i read somewhere about the fish oils but i can't remember why? somebody inlighten me.

 

[mobro]

mobro -- I designed DX7 so I know quite a bit about it. One thing that is pretty amazing is beta glucan -- a big factor with recovery and an ingredient you won't find in any other multi. (to my knowledge). What would you like to know?[/QUOTE]

How does it stack up to say....Mega Men Sport(with BCAAs) from GNC? the percentages in mega men are the highest i have seen thus far.i did go to the site and look at DX7 and it looked pretty good. i just havent compared the 2 closely.

 

[Nelson Montana]

mobro -- I designed DX7 so I know quite a bit about it. One thing that is pretty amazing is beta glucan -- a big factor with recovery and an ingredient you won't find in any other multi. (to my knowledge). What would you like to know?

How does it stack up to say....Mega Men Sport(with BCAAs) from GNC? the percentages in mega men are the highest i have seen thus far.i did go to the site and look at DX7 and it looked pretty good. i just havent compared the 2 closely.[/QUOTE]


Here you go bro. No contest. DX7 is far superior -- more ingredients, better ingredients, higher dosages. As a matter of fact you can take a half daily doage and it'lll still be high potency and bottle will last 2 months. See for yourself.

http://proteinfactory.com/shop/product.php?productid=427&cat=0&page=1

http://www.aragonproducts.com/theproducts.cfm?master=6770

 

[njmuscleguy]

Saw palmetto, sitasterol and pygeum all stop dihydrotestosterone, which is responsible for muscle hardness and necessary to acheive an erection. It also prevents estrogen from forming (Proviron is pretty much pure D H T)

It says so right here. .http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/univ/stak2.html

Ok, I just checked and the product you referred to in that link is Animal Stak 2, not the original Animal Pak (which I use), which doesn't have D H T blockers.... so it's all good... I still think it has an impressive ingredients list.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/univ/animalpak.html

 

[krishna]

well, first and foremost, for regularity... especially when taking in extra protein or dieting. it also has other health benefits.... keeping cholesterol in check, colon health, diabetes....

I use psyllium husk fiber... best one in my opinion.... you should experiment with dosages until you find your "sweet spot"

I forgot, fiber is also one of my essentials. You need soluble fiber for keeping cholesterol in check. A good source of soluble fiber is inulin, which is highly concentrated in veges. You can also get pure vegetable fiber in powder form. Insoluble fibers are good too because they clean out your intestines, keep you regular, help prevent build-up and disease in the intestines, and help you digest food better. Psyllium husk and wheat bran are good sources of insoluble fiber.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Yes, Animal STAK has D H T blockers. Animal Pak isn't bad, but it has a lot of useless stuff -- smilax, digestive enzymes,liver etc. All "throw in" ingredients that don;t do anything. DX7 has ingredients not available in other multis such as MSM, Beta Glucan, Lycopene -- REAL nutrients essential to health and recovery .

Yes, fiber is important too, though I'm not sure it needs to be supplemented daily. Too much is no good also. I just found a fiber bar that isn't bad tasting at all -- gnu foods Flavor and Fiber Cinimon Raisin. Moist and tasty and 12 grams of fiberin a small bar. That's pretty good.

 

[krishna]

Yes, Animal STAK has D H T blockers. Animal Pak isn't bad, but it has a lot of useless stuff -- smilax, digestive enzymes,liver etc. All "throw in" ingredients that don;t do anything. DX7 has ingredients not available in other multis such as MSM, Beta Glucan, Lycopene -- REAL nutrients essential to health and recovery .

Yes, fiber is important too, though I'm not sure it needs to be supplemented daily. Too much is no good also. I just found a fiber bar that isn't bad tasting at all -- gnu foods Flavor and Fiber Cinimon Raisin. Moist and tasty and 12 grams of fiberin a small bar. That's pretty good.

Not trying to pick a fight, but why do you think too much fiber is no good?

 

[Nelson Montana]

Not trying to pick a fight, but why do you think too much fiber is no good?

Too much fiber can be harsh to the intestinal wall. It can cause gas, diverticulitus, irritable bowels, loose stools etc. Like anything else, it needs to be in moderation. Too much of any one thing is no good. You want enough to do the job.

 

[s8nlilhlpr]

Too much fiber can be harsh to the intestinal wall. It can cause gas, diverticulitus, irritable bowels, loose stools etc. Like anything else, it needs to be in moderation. Too much of any one thing is no good. You want enough to do the job.

Very true. I like to use it once every month or so just to clear everything out. With all the food everyone here shoves down its good to make sure nothing is left over in the colon. You mean I could get MORE gas? thought the ones from protein shakes were bad enough....

 

[mobro]

that make since. and i am right there with ya on the protein shakes...if i over do it.

nelson,
checkin out DX7, lookin pretty good thus far. just for shits(pun intended), which protein from proteinfactory do you prefer between meals or at night?

 

[Nelson Montana]

that make since. and i am right there with ya on the protein shakes...if i over do it.

nelson,
checkin out DX7, lookin pretty good thus far. just for shits(pun intended), which protein from proteinfactory do you prefer between meals or at night?

For the most part, Protein Factory sells bulk at near whoesale prices. So whatever you want -- whatever blend or mixture, they'll make. For night, I'd go with a casien based blend because it's slow absorbing -- maybe 50% miceller casien, 25% milk and 25% whey. But honestly, it's not a big factor. It's just food.

For a specific formula, I have to say BIG BLAST is something special that'll bring great results. You can expect an obvious difference in size. A lot of guys have had great results with it post workout, between meals, late night -- as long as you get it in you, it works.

 

[Techbaseball]

Nelson,

Been shopping around for a change in multi-vitamin. Gratz... you sold me. Any discounts for EF members on DX7?


--Techbaseball

 

[Nelson Montana]

Nelson,

Been shopping around for a change in multi-vitamin. Gratz... you sold me. Any discounts for EF members on DX7?


--Techbaseball

lol. Not up to me bro! The prices are pretty rock bottom but hey, call them. 1-800-343-1803 I always try to negotiate a "little extra" whenever I do business with someone. Can't hurt.

 

[mobro]

The essentials are creatine, glutamine, BCAA's, multi, r-alpha lipoic acid, dialing in your diet, timing your nutrition according to workouts, and working out with all you got!

is r alpha lipoic acid taken seperately diff from taking just a fish oil supl? or are they totally different?

 

[krishna]

is r alpha lipoic acid taken seperately diff from taking just a fish oil supl? or are they totally different?

I get r-ala in capsule form by itself. So I guess the answer is yes, they are taken seperately.

 

[mobro]

can you tell me what benefits YOU feel from it? went and read up on it. ordered a bottle. needed to a little more for the free gift anyway......lol

 

[krishna]

Very true. I like to use it once every month or so just to clear everything out. With all the food everyone here shoves down its good to make sure nothing is left over in the colon. You mean I could get MORE gas? thought the ones from protein shakes were bad enough....

Um.... if you eat food, you use fiber every day, not once a month.

 

[krishna]

can you tell me what benefits YOU feel from it? went and read up on it. ordered a bottle. needed to a little more for the free gift anyway......lol

Well it's effects aren't really of the noticeable type. I guess the main thing I notice is its strong anti-oxidant properties. When I'm on it I feel healthier and tend to fight off allergies and illness's faster; in fact, I don't even get sick at all.

 

[mobro]

Well it's effects aren't really of the noticeable type. I guess the main thing I notice is its strong anti-oxidant properties. When I'm on it I feel healthier and tend to fight off allergies and illness's faster; in fact, I don't even get sick at all.

more so than when taking just a good multi? i did read about the anti-oxidant effects as well as a few others.