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adpeterson33

New member
Age: 20
Football Player
BF: 6%
Bench: 330
Squat: 600
Hang Clean: 300
3rd cycle
History: Training for 7 years, and looking for a quality mass cycle, and focus is mainly strength & speed oriented.
Diet :Eat like a horse and train with best strength & conditioning coach on east coast.

Goal: To pack on a little weight and get stronger and faster and keep it during 2 a days

I can only use short acting aas because of drug testing so no Deca/EQ/ or long acting Tren

Weeks 1-11 Masteron 100mg/eod
Weeks 1-11 Winny 50mg/ed
Weeks 1-11 Tren Ace 50mg/eod or Weeks 1-7 Test.Prop 100mg/eod
Weeks 1-11 Arimidex-.25mg/ed
Weeks 7-11 Primo 100mg/eod
Weeks 8-11 Test. Suspension 100mg/ed
Weeks 7-11 Anavar 70mg/ed

Pct w/ Nolvadex, HCG, Dermacrine, NO CLOMID!! Too emotional Might add some Clenbuterol
 
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bluetwistedsteel67 said:
I would run the tren at 50mg ed instead of eod and the primo for a longer period. Other than that I love it.
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Me too but money money money Also first time Tren Ace user so I read this would be a good starting dose
 
bluetwistedsteel67 said:
drop the tren to 8 weeks and up the dose to 75mg eod then.
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Tren isnt pricy its the primo, which Im using towars the end of the cycle to solidfy gains. But I will do 50mg ed for 11 weeks
 
Primordial Performance said:
Use the HCG at 250iu EOD for 4 weeks in the middle of the cycle. Ramp up your dosage to 500iu EOD halfway through the 4 weeks.

-Pp
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Hmm interesting whats that gonna do for me brother? And does this mean don't use it pct?
 
adpeterson33 said:
Hmm interesting whats that gonna do for me brother? And does this mean don't use it pct?
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Don't worry about running the HCG mid cycle. IMO unless you are running a long cycle there's just no need. Run some HCG the last week and the the first week of PCT and you'll be fine.
 
bluetwistedsteel67 said:
Don't worry about running the HCG mid cycle. IMO unless you are running a long cycle there's just no need. Run some HCG the last week and the the first week of PCT and you'll be fine.
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For pct I will be doing 500iu of HCG/ED 2Omg of Nolva /ed and 1000iu of vitamin e
 
no need at all for hcg in the middle of that cycle. i dont even use it in the middle of long cycles but i wouldn't even consider it for an 11wk cycle. all that would do is increase your chances of gyno bro. do yourself a favor and save it for pct.
 
marvelous54 said:
no need at all for hcg in the middle of that cycle. i dont even use it in the middle of long cycles but i wouldn't even consider it for an 11wk cycle. all that would do is increase your chances of gyno bro. do yourself a favor and save it for pct.
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Good Call. Will do. Anything else?
 
adpeterson33 said:
Hmm interesting whats that gonna do for me brother? And does this mean don't use it pct?
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11 weeks a long cycle IMO. Its too long to keep the testis dormant. Image what would happen to your muscles if you didn’t go to the gym for 11 weeks.

If you run the HCG during the cycle, you wont need to do it for PCT. When you drop the HCG 2 week prior to the end of your cycle your LH receptors are given a chance to resensitize for a fast recovery.

-Pp
 
Primordial Performance said:
11 weeks a long cycle IMO. Its too long to keep the testis dormant. Image what would happen to your muscles if you didn’t go to the gym for 11 weeks.

If you run the HCG during the cycle, you wont need to do it for PCT. When you drop the HCG 2 week prior to the end of your cycle your LH receptors are given a chance to resensitize for a fast recovery.

-Pp
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Could I run an hcg during cycle and then again pct?
 
i'd drop the length for the tren b/c it will shut you down harder than a lot of other stuff and make it 50mg ED. its probably gonna make conditioning a little harder as well. i think you might be better off w/ the prop at 100mg eod but you're already running suspension so... i really dont know
 
The Rage said:
i'd drop the length for the tren b/c it will shut you down harder than a lot of other stuff and make it 50mg ED. its probably gonna make conditioning a little harder as well. i think you might be better off w/ the prop at 100mg eod but you're already running suspension so... i really dont know
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Shut me down harder...explain? Should I do tren 75mg ed for 8 weeks?
 
adpeterson33 said:
Could I run an hcg during cycle and then again pct?
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The hcg during the cycle will prevent the “shutdown” from any AAS you choose to use. Well….at least testicular shutdown. There is no reason to neglect the testicles for 12 weeks, when you could be keeping them busy with a little HCG.

Running HCG is counter productive for PCT. This is the time when you should be focusing on repairing your relationship between the hypothalamus & pituitary, 3b HSD, CYP17, … oh I better stop now and safe this for the meso article.

Use the HCG during the cycle bro.

-Pp
 
Primordial Performance said:
The hcg during the cycle will prevent the “shutdown” from any AAS you choose to use. Well….at least testicular shutdown. There is no reason to neglect the testicles for 12 weeks, when you could be keeping them busy with a little HCG.

Running HCG is counter productive for PCT. This is the time when you should be focusing on repairing your relationship between the hypothalamus & pituitary, 3b HSD, CYP17, … oh I better stop now and safe this for the meso article.

Use the HCG during the cycle bro.

-Pp
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So what would you be doing for pct this cycle w/o hcg & clomid bc I hate clomid!!!
 
Primordial Performance said:
The hcg during the cycle will prevent the “shutdown” from any AAS you choose to use. Well….at least testicular shutdown. There is no reason to neglect the testicles for 12 weeks, when you could be keeping them busy with a little HCG.

Running HCG is counter productive for PCT. This is the time when you should be focusing on repairing your relationship between the hypothalamus & pituitary, 3b HSD, CYP17, … oh I better stop now and safe this for the meso article.

Use the HCG during the cycle bro.

-Pp
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No it doesnt prevent you from shutting down. Where'd you get that BS. It will bring the size back to your nuts but make no mistake about it as soon as you stop the hcg you are "shut down" again. Actually you're still shut down when your using the hcg your nuts just don't appear to be shut down.
 
Bro, HCG is excellent for praparing the jewels for recovery. Thats why it is excellent, IMO, for PCT prep. If running short esters I like to kick the HCG in the last week of cycle and then into PCT. It is my honest opinion that it does absolutely nothing for you during a cycle other than "tease" your system. There is no real evidence either way and at this point it is totally individual preference. I just wanted to give you my opinion but you'll have to make your own decision.
 
marvelous54 said:
No it doesnt prevent you from shutting down. Where'd you get that BS. It will bring the size back to your nuts but make no mistake about it as soon as you stop the hcg you are "shut down" again. Actually you're still shut down when your using the hcg your nuts just don't appear to be shut down.
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“Shutdown” is a term used by BB’s to describe “no more testosterone coming from the nuts”. This can be happening for a number of reasons, and there is no true clinical definition for “shutdown”, so there are no references to present here. You would be correct in saying that your pituitary is shutdown throughout the cycle, but as long as you're using HCG your nuts are not “shutdown”.

Remember, atrophied testicles are testicles with less LH & FSH receptors and less steroidogenic enzyme activity, which make them less capable of producing testosterone. (and even less responsive to HCG) Preventing atrophy of the testis (they WILL atrophy in 11 wks) is the name of the game here. If you don’t use them you loose them, and it makes no difference where the LH (HCG) signal is coming from.

Rest assured, your testis are not being “teased” by HCG. The testis assume it’s a signal for the boss upstairs, and they act accordingly with full scale test production.

Again, HCG is best used during the cycle.

-Pp
 
marvelous54 said:
No it doesnt prevent you from shutting down. Where'd you get that BS. It will bring the size back to your nuts but make no mistake about it as soon as you stop the hcg you are "shut down" again. Actually you're still shut down when your using the hcg your nuts just don't appear to be shut down.
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as he said he is not finished yet chill out man.
 
adpeterson33 said:
Cool so no hcg during post cycle, but def use dermacrine and nolva?
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if you used hcg during your cycle you should only need the derma for pct.

You could combine Dermacrine with clomid or nolva… but I think Dermacrine alone would work well for most bros…I'd reccomend it with MyoGenX, to be honest
 
needtogetas said:
if you used hcg during your cycle you should only need the derma for pct.

You could combine Dermacrine with clomid or nolva… but I think Dermacrine alone would work well for most bros…I'd reccomend it with MyoGenX, to be honest
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So thats that ill use hcg mid cycle and then switxh to nolva myo derma pct
 
adpeterson33 said:
Shut me down harder...explain? Should I do tren 75mg ed for 8 weeks?
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by shut you down i mean your natural test production. from what i understand it does a good job of that. moreso than test or most others i think.
 
adpeterson33 said:
So thats that ill use hcg mid cycle and then switxh to nolva myo derma pct
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another word of advice, DROP the nolva. it's never a good idea to use nolva during a cycle or pct if you have are or have just used a nandrolone. it greatly increases your chances of prog gyno.
 
marvelous54 said:
another word of advice, DROP the nolva. it's never a good idea to use nolva during a cycle or pct if you have are or have just used a nandrolone. it greatly increases your chances of prog gyno.
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good advice....
 
Needto, I've heard good things about the dermarine. Think I'm gonna pick up some for my next PCT.
 
Yeh bro but i wont be using a nandrolone ill be using tren acetate no deca for me. So i can still use nolva pct right?
marvelous54 said:
another word of advice, DROP the nolva. it's never a good idea to use nolva during a cycle or pct if you have are or have just used a nandrolone. it greatly increases your chances of prog gyno.
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Nobody is going to fix this cycle??? Come on you guys!!!
Prim Proformance is the only one coming close to fixing at least PART of this but for wrong reason.

I'm sorry but that cycle is a disaster. Maybe decent if you swapped the tren for prop.
Do not use tren EOD. It should be used daily. And the dose is too weak as was noted.
Masteron/winny/tren for 7 weeks will erase your sex drive and prime your body for injury as much as growth. Why are you using Masteron??
Then when you finally do add test you're going to use suspension and hope that .25mg of Arimidex will handle the estrogen. No way. Arimidex is too weak at full strength let alone at 1/4 dose to handle 100mg/day of suspension. As was posted, skip the nolva with tren. If you did that cycle with the tren ace you would eliminate most the estrogen in your body. Do you know which hormone controls your erection? Estrogen. PP's HCG suggestion, although his reasons were wrong, might have fixed 'some" of that.


Shoot the tren and suspension daily at 50mg each throughout the cycle. Use the anavar for the first half and the winny DAILY for the second half. If you really want the Masteron and Primo use it in the second half too. But those are a waste of money for you. Use AIFM throughout the cycle and PCT.

You shoot tren daily because you want to keep even blood levels. Uneven and spiking levels is much more apt to cause tren side effects.

Tren at 75mg ED

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Tren at 150mg EOD

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How tall are you,


Doesn’t matter, I think you are too young to be doing gear


Bench 330, why would you need gear.

Wait until you are older and your bones are at their full potential.


Oh Yeah----The cycle is a cluster fuck, pardon my French
 
marvelous54 said:
Needto, I've heard good things about the dermarine. Think I'm gonna pick up some for my next PCT.
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I never back something I dont think is going to help the members of this board.why put my name on crap.even if I get something out of it who wants to work for crap.lol derma and caps are both good and serve a good purpose. :)
 
Ulter thank you I will do as you say How bad will the bloat be with suspension?
Ulter said:
Nobody is going to fix this cycle??? Come on you guys!!!
Prim Proformance is the only one coming close to fixing at least PART of this but for wrong reason.

I'm sorry but that cycle is a disaster. Maybe decent if you swapped the tren for prop.
Do not use tren EOD. It should be used daily. And the dose is too weak as was noted.
Masteron/winny/tren for 7 weeks will erase your sex drive and prime your body for injury as much as growth. Why are you using Masteron??
Then when you finally do add test you're going to use suspension and hope that .25mg of Arimidex will handle the estrogen. No way. Arimidex is too weak at full strength let alone at 1/4 dose to handle 100mg/day of suspension. As was posted, skip the nolva with tren. If you did that cycle with the tren ace you would eliminate most the estrogen in your body. Do you know which hormone controls your erection? Estrogen. PP's HCG suggestion, although his reasons were wrong, might have fixed 'some" of that.


Shoot the tren and suspension daily at 50mg each throughout the cycle. Use the anavar for the first half and the winny DAILY for the second half. If you really want the Masteron and Primo use it in the second half too. But those are a waste of money for you. Use AIFM throughout the cycle and PCT.

You shoot tren daily because you want to keep even blood levels. Uneven and spiking levels is much more apt to cause tren side effects.

Tren at 75mg ED

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Tren at 150mg EOD

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Noticable. Suspension causes more bloat than anything else you can use. AIFM will control that bloat and hold it down considerably. Given a choice I would recommend you use the prop at 100mg/EOD and the tren ace at 50mg/ED. The other Div 1 players I've advised in the past closed out only the last week with suspension.
 
Ulter, Im glad you came on here to help. (and peddle your AIFM)

Adpeterson33’s cycle is not that far off. He has plenty of DHT derived AAS’s built into his cycle that will counter any potential estrogenic sides from the test suspension. Since ED shots can be a pain in the ass, I suggest going transdermaly on either the tren (base) or test. Better yet, running test prop throughout the whole cycle at 150mg/EOD and tren transdermal would cut down on the number of shots and even out his blood levels, while also giving him a much needed test boost (Aside from the HCG)

Increasing the dose of arimidex past the point he his at now wont help much. Still, id say its enough for the test susp, especially with the 3 DHT derivatives he’s running.

Using AIFM during the times of HCG usage would be good to control estrogen. Why the hell DHEA is included in this AIFM formula makes no sense to me… I think Aromasin or Letrozol would be the more appropriate choice here, but I guess we all gotta make our buck, right Ulter?

Your criticism of Masteron and Primo really makes no sense either… Id suggest he use either one of those drugs over winny just for the sake of his liver, and perhaps cholesterol and tendons.

AIFM for PCT….? Are you kidding…?

-Pp
 
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I love it. But I have a source that has a mixture containing 100mg of both this would be a steal for me. Could I just go 50mg/ed or 100mg/ed?
Ulter said:
Noticable. Suspension causes more bloat than anything else you can use. AIFM will control that bloat and hold it down considerably. Given a choice I would recommend you use the prop at 100mg/EOD and the tren ace at 50mg/ED. The other Div 1 players I've advised in the past closed out only the last week with suspension.
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adpeterson33 said:
Yeh bro but i wont be using a nandrolone ill be using tren acetate no deca for me. So i can still use nolva pct right?
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Bro, tren, while by definition isn't a "nandrolone", it is a 19-nor steroid and is very similar. It will cause prog gyno just like a nandrolone and nolva should not be taken with it.
 
Oh I see well I wil be using AIFM
marvelous54 said:
Bro, tren, while by definition isn't a "nandrolone", it is a 19-nor steroid and is very similar. It will cause prog gyno just like a nandrolone and nolva should not be taken with it.
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adpeterson33 said:
I love it. But I have a source that has a mixture containing 100mg of both this would be a steal for me. Could I just go 50mg/ed or 100mg/ed?
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Yes you could do 50ED

Re: Nandrolone/tren

Both of these are progestins. They bind to the PR. Nolva increases this expression. The PR will cause gyno.
 
adpeterson33 said:
Oh I see well I wil be using AIFM
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Much better choice. If you haven't used it you will love it. It is so convenient and for me I don't waste any... if I feel or see bloat or the least bit of a tingle in the nips I use a squirt or two if not I don't. AIFM is honestly one of my favorite products.
 
What would my pct consist of then AIFM DERMACRINE MYOGENE X?
I hate clomid but i hear dbol helps with the moods will it affect my pct ???
 
adpeterson33 said:
What would my pct consist of then AIFM DERMACRINE MYOGENE X?
I hate clomid but i hear dbol helps with the moods will it affect my pct ???
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If you run the HCG durring your cycle all you will need for PCT is Dermacrine and myogenX if you wish.

You do not want to run AIFM for PCT. Read this thread for more info on why I believe Dermacrine is better for PCT -

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=531551

-Pp
 
adpeterson33 said:
I like dermacrine pct but can I add clomid and 10 mg dbol I think i will respond to this
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IMO, Dbol for PCT is counter productive.

If your running Dermacrine, you wont need the clomid. The resveratrol in Dermacrine has SERM like activity, similiar to the clomid but without the toxic effects.

-Pp
 
Primordial Performance said:
Ulter, Im glad you came on here to help. (and peddle your AIFM)

Adpeterson33’s cycle is not that far off. He has plenty of DHT derived AAS’s built into his cycle that will counter any potential estrogenic sides from the test suspension. Since ED shots can be a pain in the ass, I suggest going transdermaly on either the tren (base) or test. Better yet, running test prop throughout the whole cycle at 150mg/EOD and tren transdermal would cut down on the number of shots and even out his blood levels, while also giving him a much needed test boost (Aside from the HCG)

Increasing the dose of arimidex past the point he his at now wont help much. Still, id say its enough for the test susp, especially with the 3 DHT derivatives he’s running.

Using AIFM during the times of HCG usage would be good to control estrogen. Why the hell DHEA is included in this AIFM formula makes no sense to me… I think Aromasin or Letrozol would be the more appropriate choice here, but I guess we all gotta make our buck, right Ulter?

Your criticism of Masteron and Primo really makes no sense either… Id suggest he use either one of those drugs over winny just for the sake of his liver, and perhaps cholesterol and tendons.

AIFM for PCT….? Are you kidding…?

-Pp
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Prim P, I came on because this guy was getting no information or bad information and I fixed that problem. That's what I have done here for 7 years. You've been here a month and done nothing. I recommended AIFM because that's the best choice for him. That fact that I sell it would be a good indication that it IS the best product for him. Should I sell it and not tell anyone? You are way out of your league and you can't get help from anyone who knows more than I do, so quit trying. I've got 20 years more experience than you do with steroids. If you think that he has a good cycle there then you need read up.
Are you going to cover his scholarship when tears a tendon because his connective tissue got brittle because he's using the wrong steroids for a speed athlete? If you're going to give out dangerous advice, you go do it somewhere else.
If you don't know why DHEA is in AIFM don't expect me to educate you. It's in your product too. Read your brochure maybe.
 
adpeterson33 said:
What would my pct consist of then AIFM DERMACRINE MYOGENE X?
I hate clomid but i hear dbol helps with the moods will it affect my pct ???
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You would probably do well using them all. But the conventional PCT is to use the HCG for 10 days at 1000iu/day. Then just continue your AIFM. You should do fine with that because you're ending on suspension.
 
Ok I need your help with ending on suspension you said I could do winny test prop tren ace and maybe masteron for the last 6 weeks of the cycle. So when I end on suspension for the last week does that mean a week after i finish the cycle containing the above compounds? And I take AIFM with test suspension only. I like it because I hear good things from ending soley on test.
Ulter said:
You would probably do well using them all. But the conventional PCT is to use the HCG for 10 days at 1000iu/day. Then just continue your AIFM. You should do fine with that because you're ending on suspension.
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Primordial Performance said:
IMO, Dbol for PCT is counter productive.
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Living breathing case study right here bro. Stayed on for 12 months. Been off close to 3. Dbol 10 mg in the morning for 6 weeks - good erections, good ejaculation, great mood, strength up, weight maintained. Getting my blood test next week or send me one of your saliva tests and I will let you post the results.

There are many other real life success stories of Dbol PCT. Despite what it looks like on paper....it works.
 
a bomb said:
Living breathing case study right here bro. Stayed on for 12 months. Been off close to 3. Dbol 10 mg in the morning for 6 weeks - good erections, good ejaculation, great mood, strength up, weight maintained. Getting my blood test next week or send me one of your saliva tests and I will let you post the results.

There are many other real life success stories of Dbol PCT. Despite what it looks like on paper....it works.
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Im sold
 
Ulter said:
Prim P, I came on because this guy was getting no information or bad information and I fixed that problem. That's what I have done here for 7 years. You've been here a month and done nothing. I recommended AIFM because that's the best choice for him. That fact that I sell it would be a good indication that it IS the best product for him. Should I sell it and not tell anyone? You are way out of your league and you can't get help from anyone who knows more than I do, so quit trying. I've got 20 years more experience than you do with steroids. If you think that he has a good cycle there then you need read up.
Are you going to cover his scholarship when tears a tendon because his connective tissue got brittle because he's using the wrong steroids for a speed athlete? If you're going to give out dangerous advice, you go do it somewhere else.
If you don't know why DHEA is in AIFM don't expect me to educate you. It's in your product too. Read your brochure maybe.
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You have 20 years more experience than me… hmm really??

Your talking about tendon tearing and your prescribing him winny?

Your fundamental views are flawed, and your attitude of “Ulter knows all” doesn’t leave ANYONE with much room to carry on an intelligent debate. Your like the troubled student that throws spit wads to detract from his ignorance.

When my referenced PCT article is finished Ill point you to it. Perhaps you may learn a few things.

Until then…



-Pp
 
a bomb said:
Living breathing case study right here bro. Stayed on for 12 months. Been off close to 3. Dbol 10 mg in the morning for 6 weeks - good erections, good ejaculation, great mood, strength up, weight maintained. Getting my blood test next week or send me one of your saliva tests and I will let you post the results.

There are many other real life success stories of Dbol PCT. Despite what it looks like on paper....it works.
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As I said, "IMO" it seems counter productive. Still, Id definitely be interested to see your blood and saliva tests.

Did you use HCG during your 12 month cycle?

-Pp
 
if you have a torn tendon winny is def NOT what u need. winny is hard on your joints enough. in fact if u have a torn tendon u should be on any gear. rehab it good and get back to normal then get on some gear.
 
trickster6487 said:
if you have a torn tendon winny is def NOT what u need. winny is hard on your joints enough. in fact if u have a torn tendon u should be on any gear. rehab it good and get back to normal then get on some gear.
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I dnt have a torn tendon lol They were using it for argument's sake
 
Primordial Performance said:
You have 20 years more experience than me… hmm really??

Your talking about tendon tearing and your prescribing him winny?

Your fundamental views are flawed, and your attitude of “Ulter knows all” doesn’t leave ANYONE with much room to carry on an intelligent debate. Your like the troubled student that throws spit wads to detract from his ignorance.

When my referenced PCT article is finished Ill point you to it. Perhaps you may learn a few things.

Until then…



-Pp
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Yes 20 years more than you, really.

Winny is fine if you know how to use it. Just ask Ben Johnson.

You need to get your head out of the books and get some real live practical experience. You can write your theories all day long. You can look up studies and extrapolate like Anthony does to try to make the studies fit. There are not enough studies, and no NEW studies, on athletes using steroids the way we do. So basically you're wasting your time. There are no human studies on tren or eq or using the steroids in combination with ancillaries. So knock yourself out trying to find the answers in a medical journal.
Just like a bomb and about a thousand others on this board in 10 years, men have learned that what Bill Roberts wrote in the 90's about AM dbol was correct. It can be used for PCT. I only recommend it when PCT is failing however because it prolongs the recovery. But that's better crashing.

I'm not the ignorant one here pal, you are. And in case you didn't read my post I told him to use your product if he so desires. It'll probably be good coming off his first tren cycle to use everything he can. I wouldn't recommend against that.
 
adpeterson33 said:
Ok I need your help with ending on suspension you said I could do winny test prop tren ace and maybe masteron for the last 6 weeks of the cycle. So when I end on suspension for the last week does that mean a week after i finish the cycle containing the above compounds? And I take AIFM with test suspension only. I like it because I hear good things from ending soley on test.
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Yes you would drop everything and end with a week of suspension. I'm really not in love with your masteron and winny idea Bro. You still haven't told me why you want to use masteron.
 
Ulter said:
Yes you would drop everything and end with a week of suspension. I'm really not in love with your masteron and winny idea Bro. You still haven't told me why you want to use masteron.
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No preference but I figured its DHT would combat some bloat from test prop but if i dnt need it then i wont use it. Winny is a definite bc of my speed training and also I have a steal for some Primo you mentioned I can incroporate that . I have enuff to do 900mg/week for 12 weeks
 
The thing is that you don't want to get "too dry" while using winny and tren. The two together are notorious for causing injuries. You should just stick to Proviron since that's practically Masteron in pill form if you want the DHT. But honestly with the little amount of test you're using, AIFM is going to be plenty.
 
solidspine said:
How tall are you,


Doesn’t matter, I think you are too young to be doing gear


Bench 330, why would you need gear.

Wait until you are older and your bones are at their full potential.


Oh Yeah----The cycle is a cluster fuck, pardon my French
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6 foot and 330 isnt good I want 405
 
Ulter,

Your using Ben Johnson as an endorsement for safe winny use? I hope that is a joke. Perhaps you need to spend a little more time in the books to realize winny has serious detrimental effects to the tendons.

BTW, don’t assume my short time here on Elite is the beginning of steroid experience.

-Pp
 
Primordial Performance said:
Ulter,

Your using Ben Johnson as an endorsement for safe winny use? I hope that is a joke. Perhaps you need to spend a little more time in the books to realize winny has serious detrimental effects to the tendons.

BTW, don’t assume my short time here on Elite is the beginning of steroid experience.

-Pp
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Doubtful 6 weeks will kill my tendons?
 
I know what winny does to tendons. I know what to do to prevent it. What I am telling him will prevent any tendon problems. What you were telling him will make them more likely. There's your riddle, figure it out.

My point was Ben Johnson's trainer knew how to use winny without it causing injury. It's fine for speed athletes when used correctly. This athlete in question already knows that. So he's ahead of you.
 
Ulter said:
It's out. Don't use tren/masteron/winny together. That's a cycle for a body builder that's going to compete. Not you.
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Ok i wont but may i ask what would that cycle do and what makes it for a bodybuilder and not for a football player
 
Ulter said:
I know what winny does to tendons. I know what to do to prevent it. What I am telling him will prevent any tendon problems. What you were telling him will make them more likely. There's your riddle, figure it out.

My point was Ben Johnson's trainer knew how to use winny without it causing injury. It's fine for speed athletes when used correctly. This athlete in question already knows that. So he's ahead of you.
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So how do you "properly" use winny to avoid its negative collagenous effects?

Id think we would all love to hear...

-Pp
 
adpeterson33 said:
I dnt have a torn tendon lol They were using it for argument's sake
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Still man, as an athlete don't try to save a few bucks with winny, go with Anavar man. It is worth it down the road, as an athlete you know how 6-9 months of preseason work doesn't mean sh_t because of a tendon/ligament issue. Just not worth savin a few bucks.
 
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D_Mac said:
Still man, as an athlete don't try to save a few bucks with winny, go with Anavar man. It is worth it down the road, as an athlete you know how 6-9 months of preseason work doesn't mean sh_t because of a tendon/ligament issue. Just not worth savin the 30 bucks.
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Booyah
 
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adpeterson33 said:
30 $ try 400$ but I have tried Var and want to try winny thats all I will supplement adequaetly
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Well I guess it depends on where you get it and how much you use, and I am used to a big discount.

Anyway I would still not take a chance, it's up to you I have just had a few injuries and in the long run I personally would go with Var, depends on your body and how much the safety is worth to you, but that is my personal preference.
 
D_Mac said:
Well I guess it depends on where you get it and how much you use, and I am used to a big discount.

Anyway I would still not take a chance, it's up to you I have just had a few injuries and in the long run I personally would go with Var, depends on your body and how much the safety is worth to you, but that is my personal preference.
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Glocusomine and chronditrin I think will help as well
 
Ulter said:
Prim P, I came on because this guy was getting no information or bad information and I fixed that problem. That's what I have done here for 7 years. You've been here a month and done nothing. I recommended AIFM because that's the best choice for him. That fact that I sell it would be a good indication that it IS the best product for him. Should I sell it and not tell anyone? You are way out of your league and you can't get help from anyone who knows more than I do, so quit trying. I've got 20 years more experience than you do with steroids. If you think that he has a good cycle there then you need read up.
Are you going to cover his scholarship when tears a tendon because his connective tissue got brittle because he's using the wrong steroids for a speed athlete? If you're going to give out dangerous advice, you go do it somewhere else.
If you don't know why DHEA is in AIFM don't expect me to educate you. It's in your product too. Read your brochure maybe.
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hmmmmm
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=506982
 
adpeterson33 said:
30 $ try 400$ but I have tried Var and want to try winny thats all I will supplement adequaetly
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in this cluster fuck of a thread my i remind some of the people there is no aas price talking on this board........carry on
 
needtogetas said:
in this cluster fuck of a thread my i remind some of the people there is no aas price talking on this board........carry on
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noted and edited
 
adpeterson33 said:
Who is that avatar by the way and whats my new special star mean???
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its pretty much me with some photo shopped hair and shit.lol

you got the star when you got more k.it means your well liked and your a good bro. :)
 
solidspine said:
This has instanly become a jkurtz thread, over nothing
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Dude needtogetas has like given me super powers bro. One minute Im regular bro next minute super bro with platinum membership How can I repay you bro?
 
adpeterson33 said:
Dude needtogetas has like given me super powers bro. One minute Im regular bro next minute super bro with platinum membership How can I repay you bro?
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my powers are limited bro.this plat will only last a week.injoy it well you have it use the search to research all types of aas pct subjects.also when your free week of plat is up and if you find you want to stay plat check out this thread were you can get a 10 dolor off coupon cod for any plat membership you want.you could even get a month plat for only 1.97 but the month to month will charge you fell price for your next month plat if you dont cancel it before the next month starts.....have fun bro.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=532884&highlight=1.97
 
Tren sucks for an athlete. I played D-I ball.. You do not want to play football while running tren.... Cramps, pumps and lack of O2.. You'll be crippled and huffing over on the sidelines..
 
JuicedAthletics said:
Tren sucks for an athlete. I played D-I ball.. You do not want to play football while running tren.... Cramps, pumps and lack of O2.. You'll be crippled and huffing over on the sidelines..
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True but I think ill be doin 50mg ed and its during summer so I will be in control of the pace of my workouts.
 
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