suggestions on cycle

[rao740]

I am goign to be running a new cycle

500mgs organon sust EW
30mgs British Dragon 10 mg dbol ED
and either deca 200 or 300 EW or do u think primo would be a good option to use to avoid deca sides maybe soem input would help and I do not wnat to use EQ so what else would be a good stack with these 2 i know deca is the usual but any other ideas?

rao740

 

[rao740]

any help?

 

[khemix]

Give us your stats and cycle history.

Chris

 

[rao740]

6' 181 24 yrs old 12-13% on BF have been training for about 7 years did first cycle about 1 1/2 yrs ago of QV cyp and some deca and dbol went from 135 to about 168 then finished up a cycle of HF labs prop 100 and put on about 13 lbs and that where i am noew i wnat to break 200 what do ya think. train 4 days a week take time off eat like a moose and sleep like it is my job deit is good and calorie intake is high

 

[rao740]

but advice is taken a long way so input from anyone who may have been in this stituation or wnats to lend a hand
ps bumping ur own thread is always so exciting

 

[cougar8]

but advice is taken a long way so input from anyone who may have been in this stituation or wnats to lend a hand
ps bumping ur own thread is always so exciting

I ran a similar cycle last year with Winstrol 50mgED added to the Dbol and SUST. I put on 25 pounds and retained about 85% of it! Also I would consider running some tren. Tren has shown to be anti-catabolic and postcycle retention has always been good for me when tren was included in the cycle. If you don't want to use Tren, throw some clen in at the end to help inhibit post cycle catabolism. Let us know how your cycle works out.

 

[rao740]

i was thinking of adding winny at the end but couldn't make up my mind u think primo 100 is a good way to go?

 

[rao740]

bump

 

[Outtlaw]

I would go with the deca. It's just not worth it to bulk with primo. You have to use too much of it.

 

[rao740]

so a 10 cc btle is not close to enoungh, is not really about money but what is best i mena I am geting pretty cheap all things considered

 

[Outtlaw]

You'd have to run primo at 400mg/wk min. just to see anything. Most guys bulk with a min of 600mg. If you want to deal with the cost & injections of all that then feel free, but I'd go with the deca.

 

[rao740]

cool u think 200 or 300 is a better bet

 

[Bam Bam]

Why not use eq? I think it is the best AS out there myself. I don't if 200mg of deca would do any good other than lubing up your joints. As far as using Sust, I personally think your wasting it by using it only 2 times a week. Sust should be used every day at a minimum or your are wasting the prop in it. I would stick with cyp or enanethate. i wouldn't even use d-bol until your third or fourth cycle cause your receptors are still very fresh and will respond to light doses and mild AS'S. I would suggest eq 400mg wk and cyp 400 mg week. But that is just me. Bam

 

[rao740]

sust has such long acting esters why shoot every day to makes no sense twice a week will keep blood levels through the roof and 500 to 750 is plenty i mena 1000 or 1500 mgs a week thats crazy ur body has to hurt if thats the case

 

[rao740]

sust has such long acting esters why shoot every day to makes no sense twice a week will keep blood levels through the roof and 500 to 750 is plenty i mena 1000 ok i can see but 1500 1750mgs a week come on and prop has a half life of 3 or 4 days so when shootiung every 3 or 4 days ur right there i am saying that many mgs a week thats crazy ur body has to hurt if thats the case

 

[Outtlaw]

Why not use eq? I think it is the best AS out there myself. I don't if 200mg of deca would do any good other than lubing up your joints. As far as using Sust, I personally think your wasting it by using it only 2 times a week. Sust should be used every day at a minimum or your are wasting the prop in it. I would stick with cyp or enanethate. i wouldn't even use d-bol until your third or fourth cycle cause your receptors are still very fresh and will respond to light doses and mild AS'S. I would suggest eq 400mg wk and cyp 400 mg week. But that is just me. Bam

Twice a week of sust is not a waste. And many people on this board who have used it that way will tell you the same thing.

 

[Outtlaw]

cool u think 200 or 300 is a better bet

I would do 300mg of the deca.

 

[rao740]

thanksks outlaw i will keep ya up to dat with stats starting 2 or 3 weeks

 

[trinidad]

I'd also avoid the primo if you're looking to throw on some pounds because like Outlaw said it's slow acting and will take more than 100 mgs. a wk to get results. deca/test/dbol is the standard mass cycle. I'd keep the sust/dbol doses as is and run deca @ 300-400 wk.

 

[Bam Bam]

I have used sust twice a week also and had good results, but I bet if you ask any of the hard core gurus on this board, they will tell you the same thing. I don't use sust anymore for that reason. Prop needs to be injected everyday. Therefore, if you inject sust, the prop (in my opinion) is wasted. Im not saying your not going to get good gains. Bam

 

[Outtlaw]

I have used sust twice a week also and had good results, but I bet if you ask any of the hard core gurus on this board, they will tell you the same thing. I don't use sust anymore for that reason. Prop needs to be injected everyday. Therefore, if you inject sust, the prop (in my opinion) is wasted. Im not saying your not going to get good gains. Bam

I disagree. 1st off, I think you can get by with prop eod (we're talking just prop here, not sust). Secondly, the big issue is total mg of compound here. If we both do 500mg/wk total of sust... I split mine twice a week, and you split yours up everyday, do you really think your gains will be remarkably better than mine?? I say they wont, as I have done it both ways, and I challenge anybody to put this ed sust theory to test in a real world invironment to settle this once and for all, but so far no one has had the balls to step up and take me up on this.

But I do agree, both ways will yeild good gains. But to say it has to be shot ed or its a waste is ridiculous IMO.