Subbing Bent Over Rows (help)

[crossy]

Lately i have been struggling to keep form on bent over rows and was thinking of subbing them for Seated Row or Seated Cable Row what are the disadvantages of this if any?

Thanks Crossy

 

[BiggT]

Disadvantages are just less bang for your buck in total body stimulus and core work...in other words less efficiency in training......however, there are decent ways to sub BB rows out though. Seated cable rows are gay and aren't one of them though......t-bar or chest supported or t-bar corner rows would be my top choices.....also, another idea, if you don't chin or jump shrug, you can sub both of them in for rows too. You can add in power cleans if you know how to do them, but if you stink at them and have to use light weights, you need to add in some more heavy pulls to make up for the stimulus you're losing.

Personally, if I were you, I'd just re-set the weight a little and build the BB rows back up.

 

[crossy]

Thanks for the advice bro i may switch to the T-Bar next week and put in some chins somwhere in the week. K to u

Thanks Again

Crossy

 

[JKurz1]

I'd never switch a free weight movement to cables unless there was a need (i.e. injry, etc.)

 

[Extra_Strong]

Lately i have been struggling to keep form on bent over rows and was thinking of subbing them for Seated Row or Seated Cable Row what are the disadvantages of this if any?

Thanks Crossy

ONLY ONE WAY TO FIX THIS PRACTICE!! dont run from it fix it what is the problem? need advise ??

 

[crossy]

My form has been fine and then last week i just got stuck with the weight and lost form i looked like a gorilla taking a shit, i probably need to deload a little and go from there. I got alittle pissed at the fact that i lifted the same weight the previous workout then it was like hitting a wall on the following workout. I have them again today i will keep with the weight i failed on last workout (currently on 5 X 5) have a good feed before i go and see how i fair.

Thanks for all the advice, its appreciated alot.

 

[al420]

i looked like a gorilla taking a shit,

Me too....


I agree that a deload or re-set is needed. Do not stop doing them if your healthy.

 

[Cynical Simian]

I agree with what everyone has said so far (even jkurz ). Reset the weight and work your way up again.

There's nothing wrong with switching from one good lift to another (e.g., strict to push presses), but don't ditch a lift every time you stall just so you can have the illusion of progress as you become more efficient at a new movement. Do you plan to switch to leg presses when your squat stalls?

 

[blut wump]

Run not from the light to the darkness.

 

[crossy]

lol, ok ok i get it. I would not have moved from the lift without checking first that it would be less beneficial, that why i asked

Thanks for all the advice and as side note i did them tonight (bent over rows) and they felt fine a little movement in the last rep but it was a PR. I am gonne deload 7% or something round that next week.

Again thanks for all the comments

 

[Extra_Strong]

lol, ok ok i get it. I would not have moved from the lift without checking first that it would be less beneficial, that why i asked

Thanks for all the advice and as side note i did them tonight (bent over rows) and they felt fine a little movement in the last rep but it was a PR. I am gonne deload 7% or something round that next week.

Again thanks for all the comments

Yes!! welcome back

 

[ricanx99]

lol, ok ok i get it. I would not have moved from the lift without checking first that it would be less beneficial, that why i asked

Thanks for all the advice and as side note i did them tonight (bent over rows) and they felt fine a little movement in the last rep but it was a PR. I am gonne deload 7% or something round that next week.

Again thanks for all the comments

Good to hear that you're gonna stick em out! Just keep yourself motivated and push yourself as hard as you can! Don't worry about having to de-load! As long as your other core movements continue improving then when you get back to the weight your struggling with, you will blow past it! Train hard!

 

[wpolo05]

Maybe move them to front of workout if they aren't there already?

 

[1968Charger]

you can also do this take 2 dumb bells and go over to a incline bench and lie on it on your stomach and pull the dumb bells up to your waist . it like doing rows but the bench supports you .its diffrent from bb rows ,but you will lose the core angle of the movment .

 

[JKurz1]

you can also do this take 2 dumb bells and go over to a incline bench and lie on it on your stomach and pull the dumb bells up to your waist . it like doing rows but the bench supports you .its diffrent from bb rows ,but you will lose the core angle of the movment .

Wouldn't do this either.....supporting the core is less efective than the barbell row.....if anything switch to ol school YMCA corner tbar rows or dbell rows for a week....or even alternate....I alternate barbell rows with deads....

 

[silver_shadow]

Wouldn't do this either.....supporting the core is less efective than the barbell row.....if anything switch to ol school YMCA corner tbar rows or dbell rows for a week....or even alternate....I alternate barbell rows with deads....

^^^

what he said

 

[Cynical Simian]

I'm filing a support ticket reporting that someone has hacked into jkurz's account and is using it to give good advice.

 

[Extra_Strong]

you can also do this take 2 dumb bells and go over to a incline bench and lie on it on your stomach and pull the dumb bells up to your waist . it like doing rows but the bench supports you .its diffrent from bb rows ,but you will lose the core angle of the movment .

humm? this sounds more like a trap exercise.

I like to be as close to parellel to the floor as possible when doing rows..

 

[1968Charger]

Wouldn't do this either.....supporting the core is less efective than the barbell row.....if anything switch to ol school YMCA corner tbar rows or dbell rows for a week....or even alternate....I alternate barbell rows with deads....

works fine for me ,and deads/t bar rows can give you a bad back thats why most gyms dont have t bar rows any more its a lower back scrambler.,i cant do them and theres nothing wrong with doing a back movment that supports your body to focuse and that mucle group .if worried about his core he could just do extra core movments that are safer any way

 

[blut wump]

This is a bit of a chicken and egg situation. Deads and unsupported rowing can give you a bad back from having strengthened your back without having kept your core on a par. What happens then is that a trainee uses more weight than parts of the chain can tolerate and the weak link gets damaged.

If one incorporates free movements to keep the posterior chain worked throughout its length rather than spending time on isolation exercises from one's early training days, or is prepared to take the time to bring the core up to par, then deads and unsupported rowing will continue to be strengthening exercises that are completely safe when done with reasonable form.

 

[ricanx99]

Wouldn't do this either.....supporting the core is less efective than the barbell row.....if anything switch to ol school YMCA corner tbar rows or dbell rows for a week....or even alternate....I alternate barbell rows with deads....

Yea yea! What he said!!!!!!!!

 

[1968Charger]

Yea yea! What he said!!!!!!!!

like you have a back to talk "LOL"

 

[silver_shadow]

This is a bit of a chicken and egg situation. Deads and unsupported rowing can give you a bad back from having strengthened your back without having kept your core on a par. What happens then is that a trainee uses more weight than parts of the chain can tolerate and the weak link gets damaged.

If one incorporates free movements to keep the posterior chain worked throughout its length rather than spending time on isolation exercises from one's early training days, or is prepared to take the time to bring the core up to par, then deads and unsupported rowing will continue to be strengthening exercises that are completely safe when done with reasonable form.

plus the idea of doing the old school corner t-bar rows or BB rows pendlay style is that it reduces the time that your lower back is supporting the weight anyway - this is because of deweighting every rep on the floor. low TUT if you will

 

[BiggT]

I have to join the camp saying rowing and deadlifts are not dangerous when done reasonably. The only things that come without any risk of injury are totally crappy exercises.....like lat pulldowns and cable rows, and the Hammer Strength Line (but wait, you're still loading plates on them, they have to be just as good lol....NO they are crappy, very crappy)

Besides, if people in commercial gyms have low back issues with rows it is because most people absolutely butcher that exercise worse than anything I have ever seen.