Stupid Question??

[Saintlouie1981]

Hey guys quick question, sorry if it's stupid but I'm just curious. My first cycle was a Test-e cycle only ran at 250/mg a week, 10 weeks. Next cycle I'm not sure what I'll be running but the question is, if I ran test again but upped the dosage to 500/mg a week, is there a pronounced difference in feeling?? In other words does doubling the dosage of test do exactly that and double the strength, aggression, recovery and so on? You know the whole the more the better thing? I would for sure be pairing up with something else, but I'm just curious how that would work. Again kinda a noob to this and trying my best to learn as much as possible. Thanks for any input.

 

[RADAR]

Hey guys quick question, sorry if it's stupid but I'm just curious. My first cycle was a Test-e cycle only ran at 250/mg a week, 10 weeks. Next cycle I'm not sure what I'll be running but the question is, if I ran test again but upped the dosage to 500/mg a week, is there a pronounced difference in feeling?? In other words does doubling the dosage of test do exactly that and double the strength, aggression, recovery and so on? You know the whole the more the better thing? I would for sure be pairing up with something else, but I'm just curious how that would work. Again kinda a noob to this and trying my best to learn as much as possible. Thanks for any input.

Not a stupid Question at all, you will see a big difference in 500 wk,
Be sure to get at least 2 grams protein per lb of bodyweight ,since gear increases protein synthesis.


RADAR

 

[HAYEZ]

Run some
test 500
deca 400
or test 500
eq 400
both will be good cycles for a beginner

 

[Nelson Montana]

Run some
test 500
deca 400
or test 500
eq 400
both will be good cycles for a beginner

I totally disagree. But me and Haydez often do. I'm health concious and Haydez likes to throw caution to the wind. What he and so may others do not realize is that the dangers of steroids are not realized simply by immediate bad sides. High blood pressure often has no symptoms. Hell, you can sit under an X-ray for 5 minutes and not feel anything. But your life will be shortened by about 5 years.

The short answer is; twice as much does not produce twice the gains. But obviously, 500 will be more dramatic than 250.

Why must you double it? why not add another 100? or another , milder substance? To recommend 800 mgs to a beginner is a little overboard.

 

[jimmyhav]

I tend to agree with Nelson. Without a lot of info from you, ask yourself these questions: what are you trying to acomplish? How did you respond to 250? Did you keep your gains? Sides at 250? How "spot on" was your diet? Can you tighten up your diet? Enough protein? Enough water? Enough sleep? Successful PCT? Were you able to follow your lifting program or was it sloppy?

Since you are a beginner, I am sure you learned a lot about your body and how it responded. I am also sure that if you tweaked everything else (other than the test) and put what you learned about how your body responds "on cycle" that you PROBABLY could far exceed your first cycle results without doubling up the test.

 

[ArmaniAK47]

I am not really in agreement with nelson or hayez....

I don't think steroids cause untold side effects.. I think nelson may be a part of the slightly parranoid "mostly natural" set.. (no offense intended)

But I don't really think there's a neeed to jump into a cycle like hayez said either....

I think enough is enough unless you are at the limits of what a human being is.. What I mean is.. I could take 250mg of test a week for the rest of my life and continue to make gains if I ate and trained right..
But if you want another dramatic adustment.. Up the test to 400 or 500 for 10 or 15 weeks.. Make certain your diet, training and rest are all done correctly...

Then I would say, after that cycle and PCT (if you are a pct person.. I run low dose test when I take breaks) try 250 or 400-500 mg of test per week and adding another drug.. Dbol say? first 3-6 weeks 10mg/ed to start.. or maybe some Deca or eq? start with 200mg/wk.. there's no need to OVER do things this (what I assume to be) early in your bodybuilding path.

-just saying what I would do.. hope this helps

 

[Nelson Montana]

I am not really in agreement with nelson or hayez....

I don't think steroids cause untold side effects.. I think nelson may be a part of the slightly parranoid "mostly natural" set.. (no offense intended)

But I don't really think there's a neeed to jump into a cycle like hayez said either....

I think enough is enough unless you are at the limits of what a human being is.. What I mean is.. I could take 250mg of test a week for the rest of my life and continue to make gains if I ate and trained right..
But if you want another dramatic adustment.. Up the test to 400 or 500 for 10 or 15 weeks.. Make certain your diet, training and rest are all done correctly...

Then I would say, after that cycle and PCT (if you are a pct person.. I run low dose test when I take breaks) try 250 or 400-500 mg of test per week and adding another drug.. Dbol say? first 3-6 weeks 10mg/ed to start.. or maybe some Deca or eq? start with 200mg/wk.. there's no need to OVER do things this (what I assume to be) early in your bodybuilding path.

-just saying what I would do.. hope this helps

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[ArmaniAK47]

???

Just the way you kind of related steroids to X-rays and stuff..

Wasn't trying to diss you, you just seem the cautious, wary, mostly natural type...

 

[HAYEZ]

i like to mix things and see people blow up for there first cycles...
all my offline friends its quite common for test/deca test/tren test/eq first cycles
not saying thats right but just saying people are just a bit more cautious on some boards

 

[Nelson Montana]

Just the way you kind of related steroids to X-rays and stuff..

Wasn't trying to diss you, you just seem the cautious, wary, mostly natural type...

I wasn't relating steroids to x-rays. You need to pay attention. You also need to do some catching up. Do a search. I've been published in over a dozen publications on steroid use over the last 15 years. But yeah, I am cautious....with good reason.

 

[ArmaniAK47]

I wasn't relating steroids to x-rays. You need to pay attention. You also need to do some catching up. Do a search. I've been published in over a dozen publications on steroid use over the last 15 years. But yeah, I am cautious....with good reason.

Allright steroid god, why don't you tell me then..

After looking up some of your publications I actually like what you're saying about cycles and dosage and gyno etc... But right here right now you're coming off as a bit of a prick and a know it all..

I said no offense, and it did look like you were relating the two.

So tell me; what serious side effects are there using steroids that Dr Norm Fost MD (graduate of Princeton, Harvard AND Yale.) hasn't told us

 

[Nelson Montana]

Allright steroid god, why don't you tell me then..

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OKAY, YOU CAN STOP THE SARCASM NOW. IT WON'T WIN YOU ANY POINTS.


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After looking up some of your publications I actually like what you're saying about cycles and dosage and gyno etc... But right here right now you're coming off as a bit of a prick and a know it all..

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A PRICK? NAH. A KNOW IT ALL? NOT ALL OF IT, BUT I KNOW A FEW THINGS. AND I WAS JUST TRYING TO CORRECT YOU THAT I'M JUST SOME NATTY GUY ON A BOARD.

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I said no offense, and it did look like you were relating the two.

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IT'S CALLED AN ANALOGY. YOU DONT FEEL THE EFFECT OF X RAYS OR HBB BUT THEY TAKE THEIR TOLL. JUST LIKE STEROIDS.


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So tell me; what serious side effects are there using steroids that Dr Norm Fost MD (graduate of Princeton, Harvard AND Yale.) hasn't told us


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OOOOH, A YALE MAN! (SO WAS GEORGE BUSH). I ACTUALLY DON;T KNOW OF HIM BUT IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE IN AGREEMENT ON A LOT OF STUFF. I DON'T FEEL LIKE GOING OVER EVERY ISSUE. YOU CAN ASK ME ONE AND I'LL ANSWER. I DO KNOW THE INTERVIEWER, RICK COLLINS. HE ACKNOWLEDGES ME IN BOTH HIS BOOKS.

THE BOTTOM LINE IS THIS SITE IS ABOUT RESPECT. YOU'RE COMING OFF A BIT LIKE A KNOW IT ALL YOURSELF AND NO ONE KNOWS WHO YOU ARE. THERE ARE LOTS OF GUYS WHO KNOW THEIR SHIT HERE. I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW WHO I AM.

MOST OPINIONS ARE JUST THAT -- IDEAS MEANT TO BE DISCUSSED. IT ISN;T LIKE WE WERE WAITING FOR YOU TO COME ALONG AND STRAIGHTEN US OUT.

YOU'RE WELCOME TO BE A PART OF THE FRATERNITY. BUT THE FIRST REQUIREMENT IS TO BE A GENTLEMAN AND LOSE THE CHIP OFF YOUR SHOULDER. OKAY, BRO?

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[joe d]

if you got good results from 250 just add a little, eat big, and train hard.

if not and poor diet and training wherent the issue id say up to 500.

steroids can kill. denying this will only increase the chances.

 

[ArmaniAK47]

Nelson I apologise.. I didn't know that you were as well versed as you were..

Also; you just seemed for a moment that you were one of many that claim the voodoo long term side effects that noone can find.. My mistake.

You may check out this youtube video, it has Norm Fost in it also.
YouTube - Truth about Steroids

 

[joe d]

Nelson I apologise.. I didn't know that you were as well versed as you were..

Also; you just seemed for a moment that you were one of many that claim the voodoo long term side effects that noone can find.. My mistake.

You may check out this youtube video, it has Norm Fost in it also.
YouTube - Truth about Steroids

that video is just an anti media thing. they are only making opposite statements saying prove it prove it after the fact. you want proof. i felt a chest pain one day so i called my doc. he told my wife to get me to the hospital where he would meat us. my levels where so fucked and my heart was ready to give just like that. i was in his office and fine one weak before.

i knew a healthy guy in his early forties that dropped dead of a heart attack at work. he juiced. there have been a few members on this board that have dropped recently. one guy in hes 20's i think had a heart attach driving his family to a family holiday event. he almost killed them all. theres the facts. over eating (we do), constant hard work outs, being over sized, taking all kinds of hormones is all bad on our organs especially the heart. doing so with no regard is dangerous.

 

[ArmaniAK47]

I can appreciate those stoires..

How did your heart turn out?

But there has also been a lot of people who juiced for like 50 years and not had problems right?

There is a "happy medium" in bodybuilding and steroid use isn't there?

 

[joe d]

I can appreciate those stoires..

How did your heart turn out?

But there has also been a lot of people who juiced for like 50 years and not had problems right?

There is a "happy medium" in bodybuilding and steroid use isn't there?

my heart has recovered.

there is a much safer way to go about it. trt with maybe a little extra here and there under a doctors supervision.

im not saying it will happen, but it can.

in my case i was just dumb, blinded by my dream and fealing that the close medical watch was all i needed. i was blasting with over 3g of suspension and was fighting to reach 300lbs at 5'5''. now i realise how fucking stupid i was, but it took almost leaving my wife and 4 step kids to fend for themselves with out a father or husband to understand. i was lucky some others wherent as lucky as me. still to this day i feal guilty as hell. i feal like the worlds bigges selfish prick. although my whole family backed me it was still me that took those chances.

no one knows how much is to much until its to late.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I can appreciate those stoires..

How did your heart turn out?

But there has also been a lot of people who juiced for like 50 years and not had problems right?

There is a "happy medium" in bodybuilding and steroid use isn't there?

That' what we're trying to find bro.

 

[ArmaniAK47]

Well damn, you two.. This was an important thing for me to see I think.. I feel I have a stronger grasp on steroid use than before with this bit of wisdom.

You said you were using 3 Grams of test suspension Joe D? was that per week?

 

[joe d]

Well damn, you two.. This was an important thing for me to see I think.. I feel I have a stronger grasp on steroid use than before with this bit of wisdom.

You said you were using 3 Grams of test suspension Joe D? was that per week?

2g test 1g tren both suspension ew. i would blasr 4-6 then cruize on 300 test and some other things for 3-6 weaks then blast again.

again dont get me wrong here im not trying to be anal and unrealistic and im not saying that nothing will happen if you keep doses lower. im just simply saying these things do happen. and there is no way to predict if it will happen to you. there are no magic numbers that are right for any one but their own natural levels. above that starts to add risk.

i personally am now comfortable health wise alternating between 150mg and 250mg every month with light use of some other compounds im not sure are ok here anymore. im no longer going for freak. my new goal is to be able to hit 215 comp weight sub 5% with no harsh drugs. i f i can do that i will again persue my bb'ing plans if not fuck it i still look good and have already acheived my biggest goals.

 

[ArmaniAK47]

cool shit..

I am going to try and go for a similar thing.. around 400mg of test cypionate and 200mgs of deca per week for a while..
When translated into actual substance it isn't really /that/ high of a dose..

Maybe throw a little extra in every so often.. keep my blood pressure down..