Strippers/Dancers

[mylife]

what are your opinions on strippers/dancers?


i'm convinced most pathologically lie to themselves until they believe what they're doing is not morally wrong.

ex- a 20 year old woman takes a job at a strip club. she's hesitant about subjecting her body to guys for a living, so she starts to think of reasons this is OK. the reasons that pop in her head all suck and aren't true, but she talks with other strippers who say the exact same reasons, and the reassurance they receive from each other concinves them that what they're doing is ok.

one of the reasons i (and others i assume) enjoy sex while dating so much is because i'm experiencing emotions that no one else can feel with that given person. so how could someone date a stripper knowing other guys were getting the same amount of pleasure, if not more, from someone devoted to yourself?


and if you have kids, why subject them to this lifestyle? sure they might be oblivious if they're young, but do you think it will have a negative impact on them as they get older?


sorry but im definitely convinced stripping/dancing for a living is settling for less and degrading yourself.

 

[scruples]

strippers are the lowest of the low when it comes to women

how anyone could date one is beyond me

 

[Testosterone boy]

I see the strippers once a year while on vacation. I've had many good conversations with them however since they all pretty much knock me over with offers (legit). They all have a very good story about how life forced them into a field they would have done almost anything to avoid. A lot of them are smart. A lot are talented. Still I feel sorry for them. I feel their future is severely mortgaged.

Would I date a stripper? I hope not but I've done some stupid stuff in my life.

 

[vinylgroover]

Have you been to a strip club?

 

[Code]

My sister started stripping to pay her way through college.

And she stripped at some very high dollar "gentlemen's clubs".

She says the biggest myth is that there is big money in it. Any stripper who tells you she makes 100K per year stripping is either doing porn on the side or a liar.

 

[Zerxes]

I just love guys who sit here and say that what these girls do is morally wrong. If any of you saying this had the chance to bed a hot little exotic dancer, I'm SUUUURE you would back-pocket your pseudo morality in a heartbeat. Pretty hypocritical.

 

[hippedy hop]

most have serious physchological problems as a result of dancing in front of men night after night. Most have put money above all in there priorities in life and lose concept of some basic pleasures in life that don't have to do with drugs and money. some are decent girls trying to get by.

 

[big4life]

I haven't known many strippers/dancers, but I would guess that they are about like everyone else in society. Some are pretty normal and others are pretty screwed up.

 

[mylife]

Have you been to a strip club?

yeah why? actually i own 5% of one but that's a story in itself.

 

[Code]

I just love guys who sit here and say that what these girls do is morally wrong. If any of you saying this had the chance to bed a hot little exotic dancer, I'm SUUUURE you would back-pocket your pseudo morality in a heartbeat. Pretty hypocritical.

I never said anything was wrong with it.
To each his/her own.

I have been asked out by more than one of my sister's "co-workers" when I picked her up. And turned them all down.

I think most are emotionally unstable and I don't like someone I date dragging me down.

 

[mylife]

I just love guys who sit here and say that what these girls do is morally wrong. If any of you saying this had the chance to bed a hot little exotic dancer, I'm SUUUURE you would back-pocket your pseudo morality in a heartbeat. Pretty hypocritical.

i'd definitely get with a stripper.

however, i'd have no respect for her when i met her, while i was having sex with her, or after we were done...and that goes for most one night stands, stripper or no stripper.

 

[vinylgroover]

yeah why? actually i own 5% of one but that's a story in itself.

So why are you taking the hypocritical high moral ground.

 

[mylife]

So why are you taking the hypocritical high moral ground.

i'm just giving my opinion. i don't hate strippers, if i met some cool ones i'd be friends with them. i'd like to hear their logic in why they do it though. take the flipside...why do you (if you do) think stripping isn't degrading?

 

[vinylgroover]

i'd definitely get with a stripper.

however, i'd have no respect for her when i met her, while i was having sex with her, or after we were done...and that goes for most one night stands, stripper or no stripper.

You lost any credibility on the 'moral' stance you took with that comment.

Doesn't make you much better than the very girls you're shitting on does it.

 

[vinylgroover]

i'm just giving my opinion. i don't hate strippers, if i met some cool ones i'd be friends with them. i'd like to hear their logic in why they do it though. take the flipside...why do you (if you do) think stripping isn't degrading?

If you came on here and said i haven't been to a strip club and i just don't agree with girls stripping and that it's degrading, i would say good for you, you believe that and i respect your beliefs.

But the very minute you go to strip clubs, have money invested in them and then pass judgement on top of that, screams of hypocricy.

 

[mylife]

If you came on here and said i haven't been to a strip club and i just don't agree with girls stripping and that it's degrading, i would say good for you, you believe that and i respect your beliefs.

But the very minute you go to strip clubs, have money invested in them and then pass judgement on top of that, screams of hypocricy.

i see. i've been to 2 strip clubs. in neither did i spend any money besides the cover charge.

as for the one i partially own, we don't pay the strippers. the money they make is on stage and in the private room only. all the profit we make is from the bar.

 

[Code]

If you came on here and said i haven't been to a strip club and i just don't agree with girls stripping and that it's degrading, i would say good for you, you believe that and i respect your beliefs.

But the very minute you go to strip clubs, have money invested in them and then pass judgement on top of that, screams of hypocricy.

On the contrary, forming an opinon of the act of stripping without ever being in a strip clubs nullifies the opinion.

Going in, looking around and watching for a few minutes is all you'd need to decide if you feel it's wrong.

Now going back makes you a hypocrite.

 

[Zerxes]

On the contrary, forming an opinon of the act of stripping without ever being in a strip clubs nullifies the opinion.

Going in, looking around and watching for a few minutes is all you'd need to decide if you feel it's wrong.

Now going back makes you a hypocrite.

Haha! He has a point.

 

[Latamier]

I dont think strippers are stupid. I have known quit a few and even dated a couple. Many are looking for a way to pay their way through college, and it is hard to find a job that will support the kind of tuition bills these days. My hat goes off to them. Especially the ones that have their minds set on one thing, like getting through college and making something of themselves. Sure they may regret it someday, but desperate times call for desperate measures.

 

[vinylgroover]

On the contrary, forming an opinon of the act of stripping without ever being in a strip clubs nullifies the opinion.

Going in, looking around and watching for a few minutes is all you'd need to decide if you feel it's wrong.

Now going back makes you a hypocrite.

LOL.

 

[Citruscide]

Come to Chicago... At the Crazy Horse II strippers can make a K - 2K a week with some hard work... I knew a girl who worked at Industiral Strip who told me she made 6K a week!?! Now, I was curious how she made this much, she was a hot girl, big boobs -- I went to the club and found out she gave blow jobs for 50 bucks... FIFTY BUCKS?!? THAT'S ALOT OF HOG!

Got nothing against them, that's all.

C

 

[sereneman]

I have a friend that knows a lot of strippers. He said that most of them are screwed up individuals.

 

[Code]

Naw, strippers lie so much they believe their own lies.

My sister worked as one for two years. And all her friends would tell me how they make 1-2k a night or earn 100+k per year.

And then they'd leave in their crappy Toyota B-210's and nurse a Pabst Blue Ribbon at their trailer home.

 

[starfish]

Naw, strippers lie so much they believe their own lies.

My sister worked as one for two years. And all her friends would tell me how they make 1-2k a night or earn 100+k per year.

And then they'd leave in their crappy Toyota B-210's and nurse a Pabst Blue Ribbon at their trailer home.

Strippers can make a ton of money.... Depends on where you work.

 

[Zerxes]

I have a friend that knows a lot of strippers. He said that most of them are screwed up individuals.

Whom amoung us isn't though ya know bro?! The problem that most of the girls have(from my experiences) is that they get addicted to the power that they have over men on the stage. I know alot of them, and they will come home bitching about how they supposedly "had to degrade trhemselves to make only $50". Then they go back the next day, and the next, etc., etc. Moreso than the drugs, the power and attention is the hardest thing for these girls to let go of. I have a friend who is in Law School, and she is still a dancer. I swear to God, she will still work as one at least one day a week even after she passes her State Boards. She can't let it go. The thing that is unfortunate for them is that after the looks start to go, and the attention and power is no longer ther, alot of the girls have nothing else in life. Their whole persona was "I am a hottie, and I can get anything I want". Once that goes, you are looking at one miserable shallow woman.

 

[mylife]

Naw, strippers lie so much they believe their own lies.

My sister worked as one for two years. And all her friends would tell me how they make 1-2k a night or earn 100+k per year.

And then they'd leave in their crappy Toyota B-210's and nurse a Pabst Blue Ribbon at their trailer home.

exactly. if you're gonna ask a stripper how much they make expect to hear how much they could make, not how much they do.

 

[sereneman]

Strippers can make a ton of money.... Depends on where you work.

Not off of me they won't. They would be shut out of business if it weren't for all the dumbass guys blowing wads of cash thinking that these girls actually want them.

 

[Testosterone boy]

Whom amoung us isn't though ya know bro?! The problem that most of the girls have(from my experiences) is that they get addicted to the power that they have over men on the stage. I know alot of them, and they will come home bitching about how they supposedly "had to degrade trhemselves to make only $50". Then they go back the next day, and the next, etc., etc. Moreso than the drugs, the power and attention is the hardest thing for these girls to let go of. I have a friend who is in Law School, and she is still a dancer. I swear to God, she will still work as one at least one day a week even after she passes her State Boards. She can't let it go. The thing that is unfortunate for them is that after the looks start to go, and the attention and power is no longer ther, alot of the girls have nothing else in life. Their whole persona was "I am a hottie, and I can get anything I want". Once that goes, you are looking at one miserable shallow woman.

Well put...obvious you have logged serious time in this arena. Did that law student work in LA last summer and is very beautiful with coffee stained teeth?

 

[Code]

exactly. if you're gonna ask a stripper how much they make expect to hear how much they could make, not how much they do.

Here's a solid analogy.

I ask someone how often they read. They say they read everyday.
I ask them what the're reading right now, they say "Well, I haven't had time over the past few weeks to read."

Ask a stripper how much she makes, she says 500-2k per night.
Ask her how much she made last night and she says, "It was a slow night I made my floor and dressing room fee's back plus a hundred bucks."

 

[Citruscide]

Yeah, I'm with Nav and SF... The girls I knew that worked at CHII in Chicago had their own horse ranch and were breeding equistrian horses... on a 200 acre ranch they bought...

They can make a good dollar there because it is always packed, and it is 20 bucks a hit, and 40 in the VIP room.

C

 

[Testosterone boy]

Yeah, I'm with Nav and SF... The girls I knew that worked at CHII in Chicago had their own horse ranch and were breeding equistrian horses... on a 200 acre ranch they bought...

They can make a good dollar there because it is always packed, and it is 20 bucks a hit, and 40 in the VIP room.

C

Damned horses...no wonder the guys don't get laid. I steer a clear path from horse girls. Can't compete with a horse.

 

[sereneman]

Damned horses...no wonder the guys don't get laid. I steer a clear path from horse girls. Can't compete with a horse.

Which reminds me, Have you ever seen porn videos on the internet of a girl getting on with a dog? The first time my friend showed me that, I was like WTF? It was Dalmation fucking this girl 90MPH. I was afraid that I would get aroused and have to deal with thinking that I'm a sick fuck.

 

[Zerxes]

Well put...obvious you have logged serious time in this arena. Did that law student work in LA last summer and is very beautiful with coffee stained teeth?

Nope. I havn't logged that much time in the area actually bro. I just went to a Strip Club last Friday night for the first time in like 4 years. I just know a few who do(or used to) dance, and they are easy reads if that makes any sense. The girl I have been seeing on & off who lives in South Carolina used to be one, as well as her roomy. They are cool as shit though because I can joke around with them about wanting to do them both, and they just laugh and go along with it. They don't get offended and are really down to earth girls. What I'm saying is this: Yes they have their issues, but I find that most of them(exept the golddigging skanks) are quite interesting people who have experienced alot in life. Plus they are mostly all Bisexual and really know how to get a guy off. I needs me a girl with that little bit of ho in her if Im going to bother with her too. Know what I mean Mean Gene?

 

[VixenVenus]

I use to be one. Not all strippers are whores and drug addicts. There are just a few that make the rest of them look bad. Just like not all bodybuilders use the juice.

 

[Zerxes]

I use to be one. Not all strippers are whores and drug addicts. There are just a few that make the rest of them look bad. Just like not all bodybuilders use the juice.

So does my "bisexual" comment hold water in you opinion pussycat?

 

[sereneman]

I use to be one. Not all strippers are whores and drug addicts. There are just a few that make the rest of them look bad. Just like not all bodybuilders use the juice.

Did you lead guys on to think that they might have a chance of boning you---- in order to separate them from their cash?

 

[Testosterone boy]

My sister stripped for a couple weeks after her car broke down. She got another car fast. Made tons of money.

Couldn't blame her. Got out before it affected her. Went on to a pretty damed good life. Big house by the river, two kids, good job, blah blah.

 

[Paulos]

Wait till Bikinimom and her 4 inch clit get a hold of this thread.

 

[Bikini Mod]

I am not a stripper... I keep my clothing on.

I dance GO-GO. How many times do I have to tell you people that?

Secondly, Paulos - have you ever even seen MY FACE in the flesh, let alone my clit? Yea, I bet it is bigger than your dick.

Thirdly, I have NO CLUE how much money strippers make but if they AREN'T making AT LEAST 1K p/night then WTF are they doing dancing nude?

No, I have NEVER EVER let a man think that he had a snowball's chance in hell "trying" to part him with his cash. If an ASSHOLE even TRIES to degrade me, I TIP HIM. I think the most money I tipped assholes in one night was 18$.... THAT'S A LOT OF ASSHOLES FOR ONE NIGHT... but it was all good.

My boyfriend actually came to watch me work a few weeks ago when he visited. He had two comments at the end of the night.

1. I don't see how a man can sit in a club all night long and give all his money to the girls - FOR NOTHING... because that is EXACTLY WHAT THEY WILL GET - NOTHING.

2. You are really a good person.

I didn't do anything different that night while he was sitting there than I would have done on any other night. I dance in a bikini, smile and flirt. At the end of the night I leave ALONE and come home to my cat and my girls.

Is is an easy job? NOT BY A FUCKING LONGSHOT.... but it is SIMPLE. I have a nice body and what some perceive to be a pretty face. I like to dance and I do it well. I tease, flirt, joke AND SMILE. Even the men who don't find me particularly visually appealing will tip me 95% of the time because I always have a big smile and graciously THANK THEM when they do tip me. I work about 3 nights a week and make just enough to support me and my girls.

It isn't forever but for now, it will do. No one is exploiting me. Hell, I consider myself fortunate to be ABLE to earn money this way at this station in my life. Most women in my position would have to take a 9-5 and earn 1/2 what I do - more time their children are with sitters which means LESS MONEY for the kids all around.

Do I EVER want MY daughters to dance? NO. I am busting my ass to make sure that they DO NOT make the same mistake that I made: THEY WILL FINISH COLLEGE and BE WHATEVER THEY WANT TO BE... BEFORE MARRIAGE.

Would I ever dance nude to support my children? I would do WHATEVER I HAD TO to support my children - PERIOD.

Does that answer everybody's questions?

 

[Citruscide]

Go-Go dancing is a nice way of saying stripper where I'm from...

A man that can date a stripper, is a man who pulls talent on the side... behind the strippers back...

Don't know if there is much a difference between "Go-Go" dancing and stripping, the concept is the same... no matter how much respect you think you have, or how much control you think you have, the MEN are using you... for a cheap fix, a thrill... yeah, you get your money, they get their rocks off... but in the end, you are the one who deals with it... if you can, bully for you...

Personally, I would never be involved with a stripper/go-go... to many problems/complicatoins... unless I just wanted some sex... of course, then it's fine...



C

 

[Bikini Mod]

I KEEP MY CLOTHING ON.

A STRIPPER DOES NOT.

In the state where I am nude dancing is only allowed in "dry" or "juice" bars. In the club where I work THERE IS ALCOHOL so SORRY YOU AIN'T SEEIN' NO MORE THAN WHAT YOU WOULD SEE ON THE BEACH!

And NO - I don't give lap/table or private dances.

 

[Citruscide]

It's all good Bikinimom... you don't have to defend yourself... although, you are awefully defensive...

I prefer to not make mistakes in my life... and if I do, I don't keep repeating them... that is why I got my legal degree so I'd NEVER have to worry about being anything less than I strived for... when and if I have children... they will have what they need... great college and the works...

Good luck in your "go-go" dancing...

C

 

[Citruscide]

Supernav is usually right about shit...

Still... I don't like getting someone's defense shoved down my throat... either way...

C

 

[Bikini Mod]

Explain to me why it is alright for people to roll thier eyes up into their heads "speaking the truth", but as soon as someone who REALLY KNOWS says something contradictory they are "shoving thier defenses down your throat"?

The only reason I replied to this thread is because I was mentioned by name....

I don't need luck dancing. I have been doing it for a year, and is a year too long already. It was a short term solution to a long term problem = income.

It is JUST A SUCKY JOB that for now, serves it purpose.

I am glad that you got a law degree. I FUCKED UP ROYALLY by NOT finishing college and getting married instead. That is MY MISTAKE for which I am paying DEARLY.

I am doing my best to get divorced, keep my girls on the right path, have a life and QUIT which hopefully I will be able to by year's end.

It just never ceases to amaze me how judgmental people are in their "assumptions". Just tonight some guy ASSUMED that I would be walking out of the club with MINIMUM $500. I have NEVER made that much money in one night. I came home with about $265 dollars. That is after tipout with NO PAY and I made an extra $50 for selling 3 of my old costumes to another dancer. So tonight I came home with a GRAND TOTAL of just over $300.

....and it is all good.

 

[Citruscide]

God Bikini... who gives a fuck!? I don't care if you strip, go-go or eat green cheese for a living?? Why are you so fucking defensive? I say I'd never date a stripper... my choice. you want to be a gogo... you're choice...

I could give a flying fuck what someone does for a job... Hitman? GOod!! Can I get a discount?!

Geesh.... all that rage... it sounds like you are trying to justify it.

C

 

[Jimsbbc]

Keep keeping on Kinimom -









Life is crazy but somehow it will all work out.

 

[Zerxes]

I am not a stripper... I keep my clothing on.

I dance GO-GO. How many times do I have to tell you people that?

Secondly, Paulos - have you ever even seen MY FACE in the flesh, let alone my clit? Yea, I bet it is bigger than your dick.

Thirdly, I have NO CLUE how much money strippers make but if they AREN'T making AT LEAST 1K p/night then WTF are they doing dancing nude?

No, I have NEVER EVER let a man think that he had a snowball's chance in hell "trying" to part him with his cash. If an ASSHOLE even TRIES to degrade me, I TIP HIM. I think the most money I tipped assholes in one night was 18$.... THAT'S A LOT OF ASSHOLES FOR ONE NIGHT... but it was all good.

My boyfriend actually came to watch me work a few weeks ago when he visited. He had two comments at the end of the night.

1. I don't see how a man can sit in a club all night long and give all his money to the girls - FOR NOTHING... because that is EXACTLY WHAT THEY WILL GET - NOTHING.

2. You are really a good person.

I didn't do anything different that night while he was sitting there than I would have done on any other night. I dance in a bikini, smile and flirt. At the end of the night I leave ALONE and come home to my cat and my girls.

Is is an easy job? NOT BY A FUCKING LONGSHOT.... but it is SIMPLE. I have a nice body and what some perceive to be a pretty face. I like to dance and I do it well. I tease, flirt, joke AND SMILE. Even the men who don't find me particularly visually appealing will tip me 95% of the time because I always have a big smile and graciously THANK THEM when they do tip me. I work about 3 nights a week and make just enough to support me and my girls.

It isn't forever but for now, it will do. No one is exploiting me. Hell, I consider myself fortunate to be ABLE to earn money this way at this station in my life. Most women in my position would have to take a 9-5 and earn 1/2 what I do - more time their children are with sitters which means LESS MONEY for the kids all around.

Do I EVER want MY daughters to dance? NO. I am busting my ass to make sure that they DO NOT make the same mistake that I made: THEY WILL FINISH COLLEGE and BE WHATEVER THEY WANT TO BE... BEFORE MARRIAGE.

Would I ever dance nude to support my children? I would do WHATEVER I HAD TO to support my children - PERIOD.

Does that answer everybody's questions?

Hunny. There is NOTHING wrong with what you are doing. Even if you were dancing with your clothes off, your reasons for doing it are obviously noble, so who cares what others think?! It seems that you have a little bit of hesitation as to weather you are doing the right thing by Go-Go'ing, by the way you felt the need to post that long responce to that obvious attempt by Paulos to get under your skin. I just want you to know that I admire you for being able to do it at your age. You aren't old, but by the standards of that profession, you aint exactly wet behind the ears either, yet you obviously can hang with girls who are. You keep shaking that hot little ass all you want hunny, if it allows you to bring home decent coin, while at the same time being able to be there for your daughters. Now hows about a lap dance?! Jokes.

Does that answer everybody's questions? [/B][/QUOTE]

 

[Bikini Mod]

C - Rage? Where do you get rage out of anything I said? Dude, you got issues... and I am real sorry about it. I still say that I think deep down you are a good guy, just hatin' 'cause a girl hurt you, but good. All I can say is that I am truly sorry, and I mean that with all sincerity.

Jim & Zerxes- thanx. I get a lot of PM's from members saying similar things to what you have said and though I don't NEED anyone's approval it makes me feel better to have someone that is NOT RETARDED or spewing stupid hateful shit continually posting up nonsense, but actually be a voice of reason.

Nobody on elite or in the real world is paying my bills EXCEPT ME. If you can equate go-go dancing to killing people for money than I guess you wasted A LOT of money on a formal education.

I care about the opinions of my children, my family, my few close friends and my man. My girls aren't happy about how I support us currently, but they do understand that because I didn't finish college RIGHT NOW this is how the bills get paid. I am neither ashamed nor am I proud. It's a job, like any other crappy job that one hates to do, but does because for now... it will do.

My family and my friends don't judge me because they know my heart and my soul. And my man saw firsthand what I do (not that he was ever jealous AT ALL) and though he doesn't like what I do because it is beneath me and he sees how hard it is to keep smiling after some rude asshole just made a disgusting comment after I stood there with a smile on my face with a warm greeting, he understands that it is JUST A JOB and not WHO I AM. He is a surgeon and the administrator of a large hospital. Yes, REALLY and he loves me even more because he sees that I will do whatever I have to do (within reason) to pay our bills and not leach off ANYONE - not even piss and moan for the money that is rightfully ours....

It isn't forever... sometimes it just seems like it is.

And I am not asking for sympathy from anyone. If anything, I already stated I FEEL FORTUNATE to be able at this station in life to be able to do this for now.

Just letting some of you know that it ain't all that you THINK it is. Ironically, I USED TO BE ONE OF YOU.

 

[mylife]

REALLY and he loves me even more because he sees that I will do whatever I have to do (within reason) to pay our bills and not leach off ANYONE - not even piss and moan for the money that is rightfully ours....

within reason? no offense, and i really mean that, i'm just curious..but didn't you give sexual favors for $? how is that within reason? (if you didn't then ignore this)

 

[plornive]

I dated a prostitute because she was hot and looked good next to me. She was also pretty damn cool.

 

[Bikini Mod]

within reason? no offense, and i really mean that, i'm just curious..but didn't you give sexual favors for $? how is that within reason? (if you didn't then ignore this)

Which sexual favor was that?

 

[mylife]

How is DANCING IN A BIKINI a sexual favor?

who said DANCING in a BIKINI is a SEXUAL favor?


i THOUGHT i had read posts by YOU talking about doing TRICKS for $ to support the FAM, so i ASKED if you consider this WITHIN REASON.


you DON'T HAVE to answer the QUESTION. I wouldn't ADMIT to giving HEAD for MONEY either. i was just WONDERING if you considered that WITHIN reason, if YOU had done SUCH A THING.


tee hee.



ok now a serious question.

you said it isn't forever, sometimes it just seems like it is.

what kind of careers does this profession lead to? maybe you meant it's temporary until you have enough $ saved up to get the kids a babysitter so you can work a 9-5 job?


are you waiting until you marry a wealthy guy to take care of you before you quit the job?

 

[buddy28]

Naw, strippers lie so much they believe their own lies.

My sister worked as one for two years. And all her friends would tell me how they make 1-2k a night or earn 100+k per year.

And then they'd leave in their crappy Toyota B-210's and nurse a Pabst Blue Ribbon at their trailer home.

thats great! Pabst blue ribbon. Your over the top my friend.

 

[buddy28]

Yeah, I'm with Nav and SF... The girls I knew that worked at CHII in Chicago had their own horse ranch and were breeding equistrian horses... on a 200 acre ranch they bought...

Yea, but theyre probably producing their own beastality flicks on the side to cover the mortgage on the ranch.

 

[Bikini Mod]

who said DANCING in a BIKINI is a SEXUAL favor?


i THOUGHT i had read posts by YOU talking about doing TRICKS for $ to support the FAM, so i ASKED if you consider this WITHIN REASON.


you DON'T HAVE to answer the QUESTION. I wouldn't ADMIT to giving HEAD for MONEY either. i was just WONDERING if you considered that WITHIN reason, if YOU had done SUCH A THING.


tee hee.



ok now a serious question.

you said it isn't forever, sometimes it just seems like it is.

what kind of careers does this profession lead to? maybe you meant it's temporary until you have enough $ saved up to get the kids a babysitter so you can work a 9-5 job?


are you waiting until you marry a wealthy guy to take care of you before you quit the job?

Oooooo you got me, but good.

First off I NEVER EVER WROTE that I did sexual favors - EVER. But since YOU would not admit to doing such a thing then the point is mute because YOU WOULD LIE about such a thing that AUTOMATICALLY MEANS EVERYONE WILL.

THAT'S A BIG FACT FUCKING TEE-HEE

Who said ANYTHING about dancing leading to other careers? If you have so closely read ALL my posts then you would know EXACTLY what I am doing to be able to quit dancing... guess not.

That is ANOTHER BIG FAT FUCKING TEE-HEE

I don't NEED a man to take care of me OR my children.

Again, another BIG FAT FUCKING TEE-HEE

....so your point was?

 

[Robert Jan]

I dont look down on strippers.
They are not being exploited in the club. when they are on stage, they fucking own the club and they call the shots.

i dont know about the usa but here the guys who sit there and stare to get off are in the minority. most are groups of friends just looking to have a good time like in any bar or club except with a beautiful female body in sight at all times.

i dont see how it is morally wrong at all.

 

[casavant]

one of the reasons i (and others i assume) enjoy sex while dating so much is because i'm experiencing emotions that no one else can feel with that given person. so how could someone date a stripper knowing other guys were getting the same amount of pleasure, if not more, from someone devoted to yourself?

You pretty much hit the nail right on the head.

 

[casavant]

I just love guys who sit here and say that what these girls do is morally wrong. If any of you saying this had the chance to bed a hot little exotic dancer, I'm SUUUURE you would back-pocket your pseudo morality in a heartbeat. Pretty hypocritical.

Morally, I don't give a fuck. Trying to seriously date/care for one is not my bag.

 

[Bikini Mod]

Re: Re: Strippers/Dancers

You pretty much hit the nail right on the head.

I honestly do not understand what Mylife meant with his statement.

How could you equate the kind of REAL LOVE and attention someone gives in a REAL RELATIONSHIP to that of the ENTERTAINMENT given by the completely silly adult entertainment of dancing and flirting... IT IS SELLING A FANTASY - NOTHING MORE. Anyone who even THINKS for a second that the fantasy that a dancer is selling is in any way, shape or form anywhere NEAR reality has something wrong with them. God, if the club patrons could only hear the comments the dancers make in the dressing room!

I could see if a man had issue with their girlfriend being totally nude or actually doing private dances for men. That is something that no matter how you slice it, I would have issue with if MY MAN were doing with another woman and I do not have a jealous bone in my body.

There are many fucked up chicks who strip, give head, do crack, drink and drive, fuck all the club employees and then some. Just as there are many NURSES, SCHOOLTEACHERS and SECRETARIES, ETC who also engage in these destructive behaviors. Is it most likely MUCH MORE PREVALENT in such a profession? I wouldn't dispute that.

All I am saying is that one can not put ALL PEOPLE under into THE SAME category. That is all I ever have said from the beginning... and nothing more.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

She says the biggest myth is that there is big money in it. Any stripper who tells you she makes 100K per year stripping is either doing porn on the side or a liar.

I lived with two of them: Crazy Liz (stage name: Gabrielle) and Terry, who was "Miss De Ja Vu 1994" in Seattle.

They made up to $2000 a night on weekends in Atlanta. They also spent a lot of it on drugs. These are the exceptions, I know.

 

[havoc]

In respects to a MAJOR MAJORITY of Strippers/Dancers I will use the following line from a Jim Morrison (Doors) Song, its perfect:

Jim sings : "Topless Bars, never saw a woman so alone"

How true this rings!

peace

 

[Bikini Mod]

In respects to a MAJOR MAJORITY of Strippers/Dancers I will use the following line from a Jim Morrison (Doors) Song, its perfect:

Jim sings : "Topless Bars, never saw a woman so alone"

How true this rings!

peace

WORD

 

[casavant]

Re: Re: Re: Strippers/Dancers

I honestly do not understand what Mylife meant with his statement.

How could you equate the kind of REAL LOVE and attention someone gives in a REAL RELATIONSHIP to that of the ENTERTAINMENT given by the completely silly adult entertainment of dancing and flirting... IT IS SELLING A FANTASY - NOTHING MORE. Anyone who even THINKS for a second that the fantasy that a dancer is selling is in any way, shape or form anywhere NEAR reality has something wrong with them. God, if the club patrons could only hear the comments the dancers make in the dressing room!

I could see if a man had issue with their girlfriend being totally nude or actually doing private dances for men. That is something that no matter how you slice it, I would have issue with if MY MAN were doing with another woman and I do not have a jealous bone in my body.

There are many fucked up chicks who strip, give head, do crack, drink and drive, fuck all the club employees and then some. Just as there are many NURSES, SCHOOLTEACHERS and SECRETARIES, ETC who also engage in these destructive behaviors. Is it most likely MUCH MORE PREVALENT in such a profession? I wouldn't dispute that.

All I am saying is that one can not put ALL PEOPLE under into THE SAME category. That is all I ever have said from the beginning... and nothing more.

Well, to each his/her own. But with all due respect, I, for one, don't give a flying fuck if it "doesn't mean anything" to her. I don't want some smelly fucking bag of filth, or anyone else for that matter, to be able to get a lap dance from my girlfriend so he can get his little pecker hard. I don't want her dancing topless and every guy in the place is thinking about putting his dick in her ass while she gives them her "fuck me" eyes so they'll toss an extra buck or two up on the stage. Hey, call me a prude, but I'd rather her not have virtually every inch her body on public display in a goddamn titty bar. I'd rather not overhear some guy talking about how he and his buddies went out last night and dude you should have seen the tits and ass on this one chick I got a dance from boy I sure would like to rail the shit out of her- and you realize he starts describing your girlfriend down to a tee and suddenly the time you spent snuggling with her that morning doesn't seem as special somehow.

Maybe I'm crazy.

 

[Frackal]

On my 18th birthday, the stripper girl I was kind of dating took me to a club, not hers, it was the only one that would accept my school ID lol....anyway it was cool but also seriously fucked up. It was in the ghetto and all these greasy old guys were totally getting off on it.....

 

[VixenVenus]

Did you lead guys on to think that they might have a chance of boning you---- in order to separate them from their cash?

It's just a fantasy that dancers are selling, not their bodies. Yes, all dancers do that. Once a guy sleeps or dates a dancer he stops coming into the club and he stops giving her money. Then the fantasy ends since he already had her. By the way, not all dancers are bisexual either. When I danced, I would say I only act bisexual at work.

 

[Paulos]

It's just a fantasy that dancers are selling, not their bodies. Yes, all dancers do that. Once a guy sleeps or dates a dancer he stops coming into the club and he stops giving her money. Then the fantasy ends since he already had her. By the way, not all dancers are bisexual either. When I danced, I would say I only act bisexual at work.

Post a pic!

 

[Dr.M]

i'd definitely get with a stripper.

however, i'd have no respect for her when i met her, while i was having sex with her, or after we were done...and that goes for most one night stands, stripper or no stripper.

If you treat women like that, I honestly dont see how you have something against a woman who dances, I do not doubt that a few of them probably have mental issues either before or after, but I'm sure there are just as many who have no problems making a few bucks working part time.

 

[mylife]

Oooooo you got me, but good.

First off I NEVER EVER WROTE that I did sexual favors - EVER. But since YOU would not admit to doing such a thing then the point is mute because YOU WOULD LIE about such a thing that AUTOMATICALLY MEANS EVERYONE WILL.

THAT'S A BIG FACT FUCKING TEE-HEE

Who said ANYTHING about dancing leading to other careers? If you have so closely read ALL my posts then you would know EXACTLY what I am doing to be able to quit dancing... guess not.

That is ANOTHER BIG FAT FUCKING TEE-HEE

I don't NEED a man to take care of me OR my children.

Again, another BIG FAT FUCKING TEE-HEE

....so your point was?

who said anything about me lying? if i were you, and someone asked if i had given head for $ i wouldn't admit it and i wouldn't say no. that's lying? no, that's saying, "it's not something i care to share with you" which is fine. but since you avoid the question and word your replies so well (not to mention edit them) i'm left to my own conclusions.




ya ya ya bikinimom, we all know that you don't need anyone in your life besides yourself and your kids and you could conquer the world if you really set your mind to it. no offense, but you're like a broken record.



so how about you answer my questions...that being...


"if this job is only temporary, where will it lead to?"

 

[mylife]

If you treat women like that, I honestly dont see how you have something against a woman who dances, I do not doubt that a few of them probably have mental issues either before or after, but I'm sure there are just as many who have no problems making a few bucks working part time.

i've never had a one night stand that involved sex so i've never actually treated a woman like that.

if a girl was wiling to give herself to me the 1st night i don't think they deserve any respect.

i used the word most as well, i'm sure some would have special circumstances.

 

[NJSerious]

Secondly, Paulos - have you ever even seen MY FACE in the flesh, let alone my clit? Yea, I bet it is bigger than your dick.

man, this mom got a mouth on her! how funny would it be if your kids grew up and searched up mommys posts and found all this? get your head out of the fucking sewer, get an education, get off welfare, and maybe you can actually make something out of yourself one day. bitches like you that amount to nothing in life and act all tough around men preaching how big of a asset to the world they are to everyone, piss me off. im sure a lot of fucking people on this board feel the same way. now go ahead and ban me cause you know its true.

 

[hippedy hop]

man, this mom got a mouth on her! how funny would it be if your kids grew up and searched up mommys posts and found all this? get your head out of the fucking sewer, get an education, get off welfare, and maybe you can actually make something out of yourself one day. bitches like you that amount to nothing in life and act all tough around men preaching how big of a asset to the world they are to everyone, piss me off. im sure a lot of fucking people on this board feel the same way. now go ahead and ban me cause you know its true.

owned by njserious

 

[spongebob]

however, i'd have no respect for her when i met her, while i was having sex with her, or after we were done...and that goes for most one night stands, stripper or no stripper.

would you have any respect for yourself after you banged a stripper that you had no respect for? would you have any respect for yourself after you had a one night stand with a girl that you have no respect for because she has one night stands.

<insert foot now>

 

[spongebob]

i'm just giving my opinion. i don't hate strippers, if i met some cool ones i'd be friends with them. i'd like to hear their logic in why they do it though. take the flipside...why do you (if you do) think stripping isn't degrading?

can we hear your logic for owning 5% in a strip joint, seeing as you think the employees are morally degrading themselves. let me guess, money. i guess its ok for you to make money off of something you find disrespectful. but im sure you have justified somehow to yourself.

<insert foot again>

 

[mylife]

would you have any respect for yourself after you banged a stripper that you had no respect for? would you have any respect for yourself after you had a one night stand with a girl that you have no respect for because she has one night stands.

<insert foot now>

see above where i said i have never had a one night stand.

 

[spongebob]

see above where i said i have never had a one night stand.

and i didnt say you did. in the post i quoted from you, you hypothesized a situation, i did the same in my response.

 

[mylife]

can we hear your logic for owning 5% in a strip joint, seeing as you think the employees are morally degrading themselves. let me guess, money. i guess its ok for you to make money off of something you find disrespectful. but im sure you have justified somehow to yourself.

<insert foot again>

yeah, money.


just because i don't agree with what they do doesn't mean i won't exploit the oppurtunity to make cash. that's how any business makes money.


i guess you could say there's a pricetag on everything, which is wrong but true. the $ made by MOST strippers isn't worth the degradation in my opinion.


i can only speak for what I do, not others. what they do is their own choice, all i've said is that i don't agree with it. my whole post was about self-respect, something strippers lack in.

 

[spongebob]

yeah, money.


just because i don't agree with what they do doesn't mean i won't exploit the oppurtunity to make cash. that's how any business makes money.


i guess you could say there's a pricetag on everything, which is wrong but true. the $ made by MOST strippers isn't worth the degradation in my opinion.


i can only speak for what I do, not others. what they do is their own choice, all i've said is that i don't agree with it. my whole post was about self-respect, something strippers lack in.

again, i believe you have justified your investment in your mind just as a stripper has done in her mind. no difference to me.

 

[spongebob]

paulos, i couldnt give you karma but that avatar is funny as hell. thier degrading the fuck out of that watermelon.

 

[Dr.M]

ya ya ya bikinimom, we all know that you don't need anyone in your life besides yourself and your kids and you could conquer the world if you really set your mind to it. no offense, but you're like a broken record.

A positive thinking woman is apperantly still a threat to all mankind huh?

 

[Dr.M]

if a girl was wiling to give herself to me the 1st night i don't think they deserve any respect.

Thats not my idea of relationship material either but I wont dissrespect someone for thier own beliefs when its something so innocent as wanting to bang someone. I would much rather spend my energy dissliking guys who beat on thier women or something along those lines, alot of people like to have casual sex, let them live thier lives how they see fit.

 

[Dr.M]

Paulos, your other av was better, damn thats gay LoL... ugh

 

[Bikini Mod]

who said anything about me lying? if i were you, and someone asked if i had given head for $ i wouldn't admit it and i wouldn't say no. that's lying? no, that's saying, "it's not something i care to share with you" which is fine. but since you avoid the question and word your replies so well (not to mention edit them) i'm left to my own conclusions.




ya ya ya bikinimom, we all know that you don't need anyone in your life besides yourself and your kids and you could conquer the world if you really set your mind to it. no offense, but you're like a broken record.



so how about you answer my questions...that being...


"if this job is only temporary, where will it lead to?"

First off what you were saying IS that you would lie if asked such a question. Can you not understand Enlgish? Or is it just that you don't understand your own replies?

To bluntly answer your question, "No I have never traded a sexual favor for $" But if I HAD to, to support my children, I would do it without hesitation.

See that is the difference between SOME WOMEN and SOME MEN.

Some men lie in order to beat their spouses out of child support or skip the state, etc. And there are MANY WOMEN who will do WHATEVER in order to support their children. Luckily I have a family to back me so if cash EVER got THAT TIGHT that I would have to trade sexual favors to support my children - THEY WOULD STEP IN AND HELP AS THE

 

[Bikini Mod]

HAVE DONE IN THE PAST. Thank God, I am not alone so I don't EVER EVER have to even remotely consider such a thing.

So now, you don't have to draw anything? My answer clear enough for you?

(Sorry, hit the send button too fast... of course you have never done this Mylife. What is wrong with editing a post changing the wording a bit, but not changing the meaning? Yes, this proves something. LOL)

Please reread my post from whence you drew your own conclusions until you understand. My english is quite concise and clear.

If my record is so broken then you should know EXACTLY what I am doing in order to be able to leave dancing to support my children very comfortably... from the comfort of my own home nonetheless!

And now I am on welfare?!

HEHehehehhehehehhehehehehhehehehhee

You read it here FIRST folks.

If it appears in writing on elite chat board.... then it MUST BE TRUE.

Mylife, I think that Dr M has sufficiently argued and owned you for each and every ridiculous statement that you have made.

Gee, and he isn't even a dumb cock-sucking whore (not that you ever said that anyone was).

I have to go TO WORK now.... yes, you heard WORK. A JOB, it is not easy, but simple enough and for now it will do.

Feel free to have fun inventing the truth and patting yourselves on the back for it. It has actually become quite amusing to those of us who can read and comprehend English.

 

[mylife]

HAVE DONE IN THE PAST. Thank God, I am not alone so I don't EVER EVER have to even remotely consider such a thing.

So now, you don't have to draw anything? My answer clear enough for you?

(Sorry, hit the send button too fast... of course you have never done this Mylife. What is wrong with editing a post changing the wording a bit, but not changing the meaning? Yes, this proves something. LOL)

Please reread my post from whence you drew your own conclusions until you understand. My english is quite concise and clear.

If my record is so broken then you should know EXACTLY what I am doing in order to be able to leave dancing to support my children very comfortably... from the comfort of my own home nonetheless!

And now I am on welfare?!

HEHehehehhehehehhehehehehhehehehhee

You read it here FIRST folks.

If it appears in writing on elite chat board.... then it MUST BE TRUE.

Mylife, I think that Dr M has sufficiently argued and owned you for each and every ridiculous statement that you have made.

Gee, and he isn't even a dumb cock-sucking whore (not that you ever said that anyone was).

I have to go TO WORK now.... yes, you heard WORK. A JOB, it is not easy, but simple enough and for now it will do.

Feel free to have fun inventing the truth and patting yourselves on the back for it. It has actually become quite amusing to those of us who can read and comprehend English.

i never said you were on welfare? where di you get that?


and i never said i would lie if i had done sexual favors, here's a direct quote of what i said...


you DON'T HAVE to answer the QUESTION. I wouldn't ADMIT to giving HEAD for MONEY either. i was just WONDERING if you considered that WITHIN reason, if YOU had done SUCH A THING.




i said i wouldn't admit to it if someone asked me. i'd say, "that's none of your business" if the question made me feel uncomfortable. that's not lying.

 

[Randy_Spears]

up

 

[hippedy hop]

Everytime I read a post on this thread I hear this song in the back ground "shake that asss bitch let me see what you got, just shake that ass bitch, come on baby shake it baby, look at those girls in the daisy dukes"

 

[mylife]

A positive thinking woman is apperantly still a threat to all mankind huh?



Thats not my idea of relationship material either but I wont dissrespect someone for thier own beliefs when its something so innocent as wanting to bang someone. I would much rather spend my energy dissliking guys who beat on thier women or something along those lines, alot of people like to have casual sex, let them live thier lives how they see fit.

i doubt a stripper (edit----i had go go written here but i forgot they're different things) is much of a threat to anything besides her mental stability.



there's a big difference between wanting and allowing. IMO alot of girls allow things to happen to them, not want.

 

[Bikini Mod]

My damned quote feature isn't working...

But NOT ADMITTING you did something is FLAT OUT LYING.

...and YOU are not the one that said I was on welfare, it was some other person after you. The only reason I put it in the same response is that just because HE SAID IT does not make it true, much like the way that YOU INFERRED that I traded money for sexual favors....

 

[mylife]

My damned quote feature isn't working...

But NOT ADMITTING you did something is FLAT OUT LYING.

...and YOU are not the one that said I was on welfare, it was some other person after you. The only reason I put it in the same response is that just because HE SAID IT does not make it true, much like the way that YOU INFERRED that I traded money for sexual favors....

lol, that's not lying. it's just not answering a question. there's questions people ask that are inappropriate, and i was unsure whether you thought my question was inappropriate. if you thought it was, i wouldn't expect you to answer it because it's your business, not mine.



i thought i had read a post by you talking about sexual favors. notice when i 1st brought this up i wrote "if yo uhaven't then ignore this."

 

[Bikini Mod]

You tomatoes, I say to-mah-toes....

A lie of ommision is STILL a lie. It has nothing to do with whether it is an inappropriate question.

If YOU KNEW the question was so inappropriate - which I am SURE YOU DID, then you would simply not have asked it - PERIOD.

But I said it before and I will say it again...

I would NOT HESITATE to do WHATEVER for my children: THAT INCLUDES GIVING MY LIFE IN THE BLINK OF AN EYE.

See, trading sexual favors for money pales in comparison, now don't it?

And would I lie about it?

NO. I would own up to it.

I have done MANY things for money that I am not too proud of. Why? Because it was morally right or morally wrong? NO. Because I have four children that I BROUGHT HERE and that I NEED to support with or WITHOUT thier father. If this makes me immoral and subject to your moral scrutiny:

HAVE AT ME.

I am done with this thread and with your nonsense circular reasoning. "If I say it then it is true, regardless of how many SANE people PROVE ME WRONG...."

If this type of mentality works for you Mylife - It is all good.

 

[mylife]

Jesus, you guys are still fighting over this? Don't make me turn this thread into a "what's your favorite playstation 2 game" thread becuase i will!!!

-= nav =-

i don't even know what we're fighting over.

i hate to say this but...


there's too many variables involved in the stripping/dancing business to classify them into one big group. some do have good reasons for doing what they do, i just hope they get out of that business once they have made enough $ to do what they really want to. one of the clubs i went to was all gorgeous college girls, and it was almost sad to see them do that to themselves.

i dont know bikinimom so i'll trust what she says. it sounds like her last couple years have been pretty crazy and she seems determined to work things out on her own, which is a good thing, and i respect that.

 

[VixenVenus]

Post a pic!

My pictures are already posted on here in the members pictures forum and in my photo gallery.

 

[Paulos]

I'm not platinum, can't see shit. Oh well.

 

[dawookie]

There have been other threads on this, Im not gonna jump in and argue about the morals of some strippers, ive done it before on here.. this is the internet, most guys are gonna take the holier than thou road and talk outta there ass.. theres no winning an argument like this on a message board.

those who have been burned before are going to side against them, those who havent had pussy in years/ever are going to side against them, one or two women may step up and try to argue their point, but then they go up against all of the other males in the thread and it turns into a flamefest (sound familiar)

Ive known several strippers, and have been dating/living with one for nearly two years.. mine is a beatiful person, I have no doubts about her with me and when she is working.. If I had my doubts, we wouldnt be together.. its as simple as that..

and honestly, do you think a girl will give a 50$ bj to some nasty dude when she gets 10-20$ for a little 2 minute table dance? i dont think so..

 

[plornive]

I have thought about this for a while...

Everything in life can be equated to fucking or getting fucked. If I marry someone or give a lot of respect to someone, they better not make it look like I'm the one getting fucked instead of vice-versa.

For the most part, though, I don't really give a fuck what girls that I fuck (but don't give respect) do in their spare time as long as they don't pass any STDs onto me or completely ruin my reputation.

 

[Citruscide]

and honestly, do you think a girl will give a 50$ bj to some nasty dude when she gets 10-20$ for a little 2 minute table dance? i dont think so..

Piss off Wookie... I paid 50 bucks for one of the blowjobs!

C

 

[DUSTY]

I'LL DATE A STRIPPER IF SHE'S NICE TO ME.

 

[Digger Dan]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Strippers/Dancers

Well, to each his/her own. But with all due respect, I, for one, don't give a flying fuck if it "doesn't mean anything" to her. I don't want some smelly fucking bag of filth, or anyone else for that matter, to be able to get a lap dance from my girlfriend so he can get his little pecker hard. I don't want her dancing topless and every guy in the place is thinking about putting his dick in her ass while she gives them her "fuck me" eyes so they'll toss an extra buck or two up on the stage. Hey, call me a prude, but I'd rather her not have virtually every inch her body on public display in a goddamn titty bar. I'd rather not overhear some guy talking about how he and his buddies went out last night and dude you should have seen the tits and ass on this one chick I got a dance from boy I sure would like to rail the shit out of her- and you realize he starts describing your girlfriend down to a tee and suddenly the time you spent snuggling with her that morning doesn't seem as special somehow.

Maybe I'm crazy.

Call me crazy too!!