Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below id like to share a true story with you about street fighting and this one happened back in the mid 70s and illustrates the concept that street fighting is not about styles or the belts you have, or even ability, its all about winning.because when you step out side for a street fight all the fair play rules, hand shakes and bowing go out of the window.anyway this guy who was working as a night club bouncer hes 6ft1 as skinny as a rake and you would not be impressed at all by him in any way. hes in deep conversation with a group of guys and one of them is fresh back from his victory at the world karate championships he is the world karate champion and that is WORLD KARATE CHAMPION.hes probably one of the most famous names in karate and is a national team coach right now and having great success.so the guy high, hes flying and hes riding high on the crest of a wave telling everyone about his undoubted skill..... and just what he can do with them to anyone who really wants some.so the upshot is, he lets them all know that with one shot he can kill a man in a street fight.taking on an armed man is also no problem at all, hes trained for that and super confident of it.everyone convinced.the only one to question that is this underwelming, skinny looking guy talking with them.so our karate champion is some what offended by a little doubt in the group so he promptly lets them all know that that also includes him, yea you,in the equation.as you do ,.nothing to worry about. hes harmless.the skinny guy doubts that any man could put him away that quick and hes prepared to risk it.so now obviously things are getting a little more heated . fast forward the clock and there both outside alone in a dark alleyway... ready to go.so our world karate champion is in first with the first shot and its straight in the guts its good because the skinny guy bends over winded..... just long enough winded to pull out the metal bar from his left shirt arm with his right hand and crash it into the world champs smilling face dumping him directly to the floor in a heap.he then staggers up takes a few seconds to ready himself for the next strike and then turns and runs as fast as his legs will carry him out of that alleyway, some what the wiser about live street fighting encounters im sure.this is old confirmed history but the champ had much more respect for the skinny guy from there on, who finally relented and gave him access back into the club many months latter.fast forward 25years and hes an old man telling me a guy from a younger generation,..look i had to listen to him telling me he can kill with one shot... kick hell out of an armed man i just had to show him that it isnt so,not against a street fighting man its not.the only thing the years of training did for him in a street fight was help him run faster.this game is all about winning any way, any f.....g way at all.so when you step out side your in it to win it, your life is on the line if you dont,....ive illustrated this to make a point so that it may prove of help in some small way. im not going to print the champs name publicly, but if you want to pm me ill let you know.good luck.
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theoak01
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the thing about a street fight people dont understand is your not fighting to look good,your fighting to survive, the less shots to end it the better, where karate boy obviously wanted to show boat his homo moves off.
in the years ive been a bouncer I learned one thing,never worry about the big mouth who says he is gonna smash your fucking face in or shoot you,worry about the quiet guy in the corner keeping to himself until something happens who just goes off and puts a hurt on you so bad you wish you were dead.
in the years ive been a bouncer I learned one thing,never worry about the big mouth who says he is gonna smash your fucking face in or shoot you,worry about the quiet guy in the corner keeping to himself until something happens who just goes off and puts a hurt on you so bad you wish you were dead.
1392477
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it's fun to speculate about what you would do in a real situation and you can even train for it but when the adrenaline is flowing through your body and you need to react to survive many a 'toughguy' has been taken out quickly by a more experienced fighter.
A street fight is the ultimate proving ground but the legality of fighting should make on hesitate to get involved at all. If you have a decent level of training in MA or fighting then a judge can put you away for using 'excessive force' in defending yourself. It happened to a MMA fighter in California a week arter he won a contract with the WWE to be one of their up and coming wrestlers. Some jackoff with road rage attached him and got his ass kicked. Even though witnesses said that he was ust defending himself he got sent to the big house for using 'excessive force' as a trained fighter with an unfair advantage over the crazed civilian.
A street fight is the ultimate proving ground but the legality of fighting should make on hesitate to get involved at all. If you have a decent level of training in MA or fighting then a judge can put you away for using 'excessive force' in defending yourself. It happened to a MMA fighter in California a week arter he won a contract with the WWE to be one of their up and coming wrestlers. Some jackoff with road rage attached him and got his ass kicked. Even though witnesses said that he was ust defending himself he got sent to the big house for using 'excessive force' as a trained fighter with an unfair advantage over the crazed civilian.
Saintinistic
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Zip your fly bro.Kane Fan said:
shamrock11
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Thr funny thing about your story is you go on and on about size and WORLD KARATE CHAMPION and little skinny and then the whole point to your story is the skinny guy hit him with a metal rod and he ran. Well, dam an 11 year old can hit you hard enough to hurt you real bad with a metal rod, does that make him a good street fighter? I have been in martial arts a long time and I know for a fact that the guy braging about what he can do is mostly a bunch of bull. The ones who never really talk about what they know or are reulctant to talk about what they know are the ones to worry about. Your story is cool and all but really pointless.
the main point of the story is this.there are a lot of gullable followers who read books written by this guy and others like him about karate killer blows, taking down an armed man in a few moves, fear no man etc. now if the world karate champion with natural ability most dont have, years of training in taking down a man with a weapon disabling an attacker with a karate strike ,cant do it for real in a street fight,the only defence he had was running away, then its a very dangerous illusion indeed,if you are fool enough to buy into it.and that is a very valid point indeed.so braging karate chumps do talk, as you say a bunch of bull.and he paid the price,luck for him it wasnt with his life.in a street fight forget the belts and moves its all about winning any way at all because your fighting for your own life,and if you make the mistake of stepping out onto the street with any man with that attitude today or tomorrow,and there are many, with out a real edge to your game ..........so,if this story prevents one guy from making a very costly mistake indeed, for me it will be worth it. choose you targets in life very carefully, very carefully indeed.
shamrock11
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The only mistake your world karate champion made was to think the skinny pussy would fight without a weapon. You never make that mistake and this story has to be completely made up if he hit the skinny guy god then it will take a little longer to recover and the world karate champion should have fucked him up. A good shot to the gut wll leave you realing and the last thing you will think about is grabbing a metal bar in your sleve. Catching your breath is the first thing you think about unless you have had it happen to you alot. Also, the skinny guy must have thought he would get his ass kicked stright up since he had to have a metal rod. All this story shows is your skinny guy is a pussy who needs a weapon.
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shamrock you obviously find the message hard to take, thats understandable with your interest in the martial arts.that cant happen to a world karate champion can it?he landed the first blow but still lost,that should have killed him surely,no,well it must be all made up then.that sound so inexperienced.the reason for the weapon is that he had the sole intention of giving him the hiding of his life for being insulting and would have done if he wouldnt have run off .the sole purpose of a street fight is to give a guy a beating not a fair fight.if you want that get in the ring.all martial artists please re read that last line untill it makes sense.try to believe there are guys out there who see a street fight with that sole intent and learn from it.this guys reputation as one of the best minders in the business and work done for some big names will live long after most have been forgotten.my advice is, and im sure you practice it from distance , only use the word pussy to a mans face when you want to complicate your life considerably.with a history of taking guys out two at a time,violent ,yes..... pussy no.
coldblue1955
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best to not be in that situation in the first place. Stay home!
what value is knowledge and experience if you dont share them?so with that in mind i thought id share a story about the same skinny guy who dumped the KARATE CHAMPION for being insulting.this happened years ago in a quiet pub late one weekday evening.so theres the skinny guy me just a kid at the time and a family member, all suites and ties talking about amateur boxing and and other interests and im thinking id rather be some where else more exciting than talking to two middle age guys in a half empty old guys pub when in walks acouple of guys. one catches my eye, hes about 6ft2 stockily built with the look of a guy whos done more than a few rounds in his time, puffy eyebrows, broad nose.he comes over knows the family member. we are all introduced and the skinny guy is introduced with, this is..........hes the number one minder at the ....so taking a look he smiles to himself and every body else and says, ooooooh really i would never of guesed, making it very clear early he thinks he can handle him .anyway drinks all round and the stocky guy turns out to be an ex pro boxer,a loud mouth, says he recently gave his brother in law a good beating with the gloves on .... how he knocked him down, cut his eye and what a baby he was for complaining about it and needing stitches,a real nice guy in effect. the language is aggressive. now the adrenaline is just starting to pump. the skinny guy is sitting on a bar stool close by and is nursing his drink with those outsized hands of his and then in his very deep voice he says very deadpan, all this talk of violence is really,.... very frightening.this stops the ex pros line of conversation dead...... for a moment its like,yea ive noted that comment. then he continues on and then totally out of context stops and with an attitude of,who gave you permission to speak, he says to the skinny guy in reply ......... im fucking warning you! the word you had only just echod out when without warning the skinny guy spins off the stall and smashes him full in the face with a straight right hand punch spraying some of the guys blood in droplets over my face and else where. this punch sends him staggering back into a table and chairs.he was a strong guy because he held it but the skinny guy now launches after him with a look of pure hate in his eyes, like the guy had just assaulted his mother and he lands another right hand blow on the side of the jaw and now the guy cant stagger back any further because his back is a gainst the pub wall, hes mouth is oozing blood and his legs look like rubber trying to hold him up.surprising how things can change so quickly. this was certainly a lot more exciting, and educational than i had been expecting a few moments before. the skinny guy then grabs his hair tightly with one hand his face in the other and repeatedly smashes the back of his head against the pub wall with such force that the wall pictures fall off shattering the glass and woodframes .... the thuds on the wall were very considerable. the guy looks gone mentally but then the skinny guy just wraps those outsize hands of his around either side of the guys face pulls him in closer and then headbutts him in the face violently about three times very quickly .when he lets go the guy drops to the floor unconscious with his bloodied mouth open and now has a very large cut above the right eyebrow.how ironic with all the talk about cuts i thought.hes helped to his feet by his mate who made it clear he didnt want some of the same and in a few moments hes bleeting the usual,.... what did i do line ....before being helped out the pub door. now the skinny guy being a man of considerable experience then refuses the offer of another drink ,says hes had enough enjoyment for one night and shaking hands quickly leaves taking his black full length leather coat with him.10minutes latter our old friend the ex pro is back but this time hes brandishing a large serated edged knife and he wants that skinny bastard now, because he is going to carve him up. we tell him hes just left the building , but will of course pass on the message to him as soon as we can.next day when hes least expecting it he gets comfronted about his demeanor and he says it was all a big mistake on his part.how true.whats to learn . always attack with speed and without warning as these are friends that will never let you down.your face should show no sign of aggresion before the first strike as these flag intent and can warn the target, and after you have made your point always, yes always, leave the building very quickly indeed.
what value is knowledge and experience if you dont share them?so with that in mind i thought id share a story about the same skinny guy who dumped the KARATE CHAMPION for being insulting.this happened years ago in a quiet pub late one weekday evening.so theres the skinny guy, me just a kid at the time and a family member, all suites and ties talking about amateur boxing and and other interests and im thinking id rather be some where else more exciting than talking to two middle age guys in a half empty old guys pub when in walks acouple of guys. one catches my eye, hes about 6ft2 stockily built with the look of a guy whos done more than a few rounds in his time, puffy eyebrows, broad nose.he comes over knows the family member. we are all introduced and the skinny guy is introduced with, this is..........hes the number one minder at the ....so taking a look he smiles to himself and every body else and says, ooooooh really i would never of guesed, making it very clear early he thinks he can handle him .anyway drinks all round and the stocky guy turns out to be an ex pro boxer,a loud mouth, says he recently gave his brother in law a good beating with the gloves on .... how he knocked him down, cut his eye and what a baby he was for complaining about it and needing stitches,a real nice guy in effect. the language is aggressive. now the adrenaline is just starting to pump. the skinny guy is sitting on a bar stool close by and is nursing his drink with those outsized hands of his and then in his very deep voice he says very deadpan, all this talk of violence is really,.... very frightening.this stops the ex pros line of conversation dead...... for a moment its like,yea ive noted that comment. then he continues on and then totally out of context stops and with an attitude of,who gave you permission to speak, he says to the skinny guy in reply ......... im fucking warning you! the word you had only just echod out when without warning the skinny guy spins off the stall and smashes him full in the face with a straight right hand punch spraying some of the guys blood in droplets over my face and else where. this punch sends him staggering back into a table and chairs.he was a strong guy because he held it but the skinny guy now launches after him with a look of pure hate in his eyes, like the guy had just assaulted his mother and he lands another right hand blow on the side of the jaw and now the guy cant stagger back any further because his back is a gainst the pub wall, hes mouth is oozing blood and his legs look like rubber trying to hold him up.surprising how things can change so quickly. this was certainly a lot more exciting, and educational than i had been expecting a few moments before. the skinny guy then grabs his hair tightly with one hand his face in the other and repeatedly smashes the back of his head against the pub wall with such force that the wall pictures fall off shattering the glass and woodframes .... the thuds on the wall were very considerable. the guy looks gone mentally but then the skinny guy just wraps those outsize hands of his around either side of the guys face pulls him in closer and then headbutts him in the face violently about three times very quickly .when he lets go the guy drops to the floor unconscious with his bloodied mouth open and now has a very large cut above the right eyebrow.how ironic with all the talk about cuts i thought.hes helped to his feet by his mate who made it clear he didnt want some of the same and in a few moments hes bleeting the usual,.... what did i do line ....before being helped out the pub door. now the skinny guy being a man of considerable experience then refuses the offer of another drink ,says hes had enough enjoyment for one night and shaking hands quickly leaves taking his black full length leather coat with him.10minutes latter our old friend the ex pro is back but this time hes brandishing a large serated edged knife and he wants that skinny bastard now, because he is going to carve him up. we tell him hes just left the building , but will of course pass on the message to him as soon as we can.next day when hes least expecting it he gets comfronted about his demeanor and he says it was all a big mistake on his part.how true.whats to learn . always attack with speed and without warning as these are friends that will never let you down.your face should show no sign of aggresion before the first strike as these flag intent and can warn the target, and after you have made your point always, yes always, leave the building very quickly indeed.
Saintinistic
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Allowing your self perception to become an absolute is the problem. Just because you can do this or that, doesnt mean that person across from you is a nobody.
Treat everyone with suspicion, just dont be obvious about it.
Keep your mouth shut, and mind your own shit. When shit happens, the unforseen action is best.
Works for me.
Treat everyone with suspicion, just dont be obvious about it.
Keep your mouth shut, and mind your own shit. When shit happens, the unforseen action is best.
Works for me.
Extra_Strong
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A steetfighter went out side to fight he was big tall strong. He ran straight at his rivel . The little 50lb 8 year old pulled a gun and killed him. who was the better street fighter?
as previously mentioned in the first post spanky11 ,perhaps you failed to mentally assimilate it. pm me and i will give you the name and the school. but, out of respect and not wishing to embarrass him i will not publicly print it. that's not my style.the point of these posts is to educate through experience the true nature of street fighting.i think i can throw some light on the subject.paragraphs are as superfluous a waste of space as a black belt is to a man who cant fight.as such i don't use them.if you want a great literary read try dickens.
Inhibitor13
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Extra_Strong said:
Id say the 8 yr old.. Its "street" not a cage, not a ring.... besides, the streetfighter would be no longer alive so the 8 yr old wins no matter what.
EVEN IF YOU DIDNT KNOW MARTIAL ARTS AND YOU DIDNT KNOW HOW TO THROW A PUNCH CARRECTLY, YOU CAN STILL KILL THEM WITH ONE PUNCH. Ive studied a few forms of Karate and seriously most if not all the bullshit they show you doesnt work on the street. I am a cage fighter, I now study MMA and Muay Thuay.. luckily I found an academy where they teach you 2 ways ring and street.
I have mixed feeling about the gun shit. I dont think guys should carry guns (besides law enforcement) however I think girls should. To me guys shouldnt carry them cuz they are more agressive... the money you spend on that gun could be used to spend for martial arts and self defense lessons.That way you dont have all these guys shooting each other, especially in the big cities over what money?! Girls I think should carry them for their saftey from guy who try to rape them and ect. But thats how I feel, I can go into more details but I dont feel like writing for days.
But If I were to get in a street fight....which is something I would try talking myself out of... but when u got drunken assholes in this world who want to show how much of a badass he really is and I am cornered into fighting him. Then without hesitation if I have no weapons on me, then I am going straight to the throat ! Its my life or his... and I have had people tell me well what if you think you could take him.... its still a risk, anything can happen in a fight.. Ive seen small guys take out bug fuckers and I am pretty sure some of you have seen it too cause it happens. I hate that everyone says this saying now and that it came from a retarded movie and you might make fun but its true: " Its not the dog in the fight, its the fight in the dog.
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power to you inhibiter13 for a very positive contribution to this post.this is what is needed on this topic a man talking sense from a position of experience.and talking of paragraphs, the final paragraph is worth re reading as there are a number of very valid points in there.the oak01 also deserves a pat on the back for recounting his most recent encounter in this section and expressing some reliable statements on the subject.look, its not easy writing about experiences in this field,and everyone has to hold back a little, but if it helps someone in the understanding of the world of difference between a street fight and anything else out there, then its a very valid and helpful thing indeed.
a fair street fight in my experience is largely an illusion perpetrated on the naive unsuspecting target by the attacker himself.dont buy into it. unless of course the attack is by someone unknown to you or is genuinely spontaneous, and this is rare. think about that for a moment. if you are being called out, then its a premeditated move.a move that has been thought through to its conclusion by the aggressor and he will have given himself every edge he can to successfully take care of business with you.now this may simply mean his friends are in close proximity and they are aware of the situation! or he may be carrying some form of insurance you are unaware of.perhaps he may have made hes move in a place that leaves you at a distinct disadvantage in some way.maybe he intends to strike you without warning. there are many ways to stack things in his favour and if hes smart and if you were unsuspecting, you wouldn't know a thing. he will of course know you or know of you in some way.he has interviewed you and he believes he can take you.most people pick there targets very carefully in life.naturally, this does not mean he will win the fight, ive never come off second best yet,but then im aware that fights are not generally spontaneous acts of violence.there PREMEDITATED. my view is this. if you know a fight is imminent and unavoidable be proactive rather than reactive, as action beats reaction most of the time. hone your senses, and you will find that you can read an event before it becomes an incident.then you can chose the time and place when things are to your distinct advantage.then hammer him.either that, or you could always suggest a fair fight at the .....local gym.
what is the true value of knowledge or experience if you don't share them.so after outlining some views i believe it is necessary to inject a personal piece of history relating to this subject right here, right now. this story begins sedately enough in a quiet little pub in the summer time in the city.im just 18 at the time and sharing a drink with my girl , looking into those deep blue eyes of hers and im feeling very relaxed and good indeed. when intuitively i begin to sense a feeling of being observed. looking across the bar i notice 4 guys who i vaguely recognize as being older and have a troublesome reputation and there with a guy who a pal of mine had a verbal disagreement with 2 years before,hes over 6ft tall black hair medium build and the looks im getting tell me the guys are glad to see me there.......alone .oh fuck, you've got to be joking.you can imagine the intense feelings. theres absolutely no way out because there all making there way round the bar to see me and it isn't a courtesy call on there mind.now thats what i call an huge adrenaline rush but its not an enjoyable one at all. even at that age and with a successful couple of years of amateur boxing behind me and having never lost a fight and being fit enough to fight all night i still know the score.one word out of place here and it good night sweet Prince. four guys stand to the side and the big man spits out the verbal abuse in my face. along the lines of his friends will blow my kneecaps off ,he could take me right now etc. the whole lot just washed over me as i knew the only sane thing to do here was offer the path of least resistance. my only comment was, yea im sure you could.even years later that statement still rankles with me.the barstad.but its like having a loaded gun at your head .agree to everything because the time will come when he wont have that advantage any more.the light went off in his eyes and he seemed to be satisfied with that and they all strutted back round the bar back to there drinks. my only comment to my girl was. I'm slipping out of this bar and when i come back I'm going to him.not quiet the language of love she was expecting this pub had doormen because they had a club upstairs but the evening was too young for them and so we were both making our way out of the pub but i didn't quiet make it because the man jumps me from behind. i feel a kick in the back but quickly spin round and grab his shirt collar with my right hand i lower my centre of gravity and spread my leg stance wide to maintain balance as he tries to take me to the floor ...with out success...... were now in the street in broad daylight and hes friends are cheering him on with very confidently with sentences like, fucking do him ,and other such pearls of wisdom. immediately i fire in the left hook my favorite punch.... where in so close its the only one for the job and he really felt it, i remember thinking, so you think you can do me! crunch, hold that. and have another and another and now hes nose is pouring blood and with each blow its being sprayed over my face shirt and trousers and nothings at all is coming back my way and hes friends are not cheering anymore. its my turn now.i catch a look in his eyes its a look ive seen before hes glassy eyed and its the signal to close out the show.put the pedal to the metal.so i released the right hand grasp and as he was ducking down to hide from the hook brought up the right upper cut followed with the left hook and then repeated it again and I'm thinking this is easy I'm almost enjoying this.hes beaten fair and square and everyone knows it ,but instead of applause from the audience for a job well done the next thing is I'm yanked backwards off my feet by 3 of his mates. taken down and the kicks are coming in fast. even those ive got my guard up the blows get threw one kick lands direct to the eye i see a blinding white flash and it swells up totally closed almost immediatly.i call out fuck off you c....s and they stop on cue.very lucky for me. i get up and the man strolls back into the pub with them whilst holding his bloody nose and bruised face.now i contact a couple of friends, put a call in to the skinny guy mentioned earlier who knows the doormen and he tells them as a favour he wants them to give me full cooperation in the matter. so 15 Min's latter we turn up again meet the now on duty doormen a couple of ex pros.so now there's five of them still in there drinking, thinking it only took four of us to do the job on one guy, in what was a fair fight.now there glowing in the glory .as mentioned before once you make your point always leave the building immediately. he was about to learn this valued lesson.this was a balls to the wall challenge believe me. my left eye is closed shut, my head is covered in bruises, Ive got the mans blood all over my clothes. most guys would call it a night, but fuck it the job had to be finished now.so we walk right up and i point him out hes dragged up struggling saying it was a fair fight!...three mates try to intervene one has his head smashed against a wood pillar, blows are exchanged.they dont like the taste of it at all .the guys are held back aggressively and as the bouncer and me are nearing the door hes says do you want him in the back,in retrospect that would have been the best place but i say no just put him in the hall way which leads outside outside to the street ill take care of him there.he pushes him there and to return the favour of the fair fight i slide the wooden tool from my waist band and bring it down on his head. he turns to run into the street, stumbles and falls and amid the screams of women in the street i spin round and kick him in the head with real force knocking him out instantly,hes stretched out on the pavement.and this was only surpose to be a quiet night out. my brother and i jump into a waiting cab and leave the seen immediately.now that's what i call a fair street fight!
So many tough guys with their tough guy stories.
I say ... just shoot'm in the leg.
I say ... just shoot'm in the leg.
Saintinistic
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Dude, seperate your text into paragraphs, as your posts kill the eyes.
so many guys who mouth flippant remarks, and write checks there bodies cant cash thelion2005, who have nothing positive to say on the subject. generally because they have no knowledge of the subject what so ever.what i would suggest and I'm sure you have the ancient wisdom to practise this rule, only repeat remarks like that from a safe distance in life unless you want to complicate it considerably.
Extra_Strong
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Inhibitor13 said:
shamrock11
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LOL someone who tells a story about a guy needing a metal rod to beat up someone and then expects everyone to take is as a lesson. Now come on people you know he can't break things it paragraphs it's too complicated.
tanka said:
I know what I'm talking about.
I am certainly not afraid of you.
You are blocked.
( he cant break things it paragraphs)and that is the sum total of your positive contribution to this discussion shamrock..as mentioned in the earlier post i view paragraphs as almost as superfluous a waste of space as you have been to this discussion .shamrock, i know you find this message hard to take with your interest in the martial arts.the karate champ should have killed him instantly with the first blow after all.but some guys need a paradigm shift into the true reality of street fighting .you sound inexperienced. shamrock your safe here.your among friends.what id really like to do is slip a friendly guiding arm over your shoulder and take you over all these issues you have because I'm sure i could very easily bring you into line with my way of thinking.i think you know that.just pm me if you would like a more frank exchange on the subject.
the sole purpose of a street fight is to ultimately give a guy a beating not a fair fight.martial artists need to understand this concept.if you want a fair fight get in the ring.ive done that. its all about wining .in the real world karate champs land first get dropped and then run away. ive seen black belts get knocked out with one punch. now, from the messages it would seems that some guys found the last post informative and helpfull.but the way i see it in retrospect is that, this was handled the hard way.i was 18 and i learnt from that incident and i do things far differently now. the first thing to grasp is that a guy will before the first blow has been struck, stack as many things in hes favour as possible to give himself an edge.accept and understand that.i refer you to the above post, the illusion of the fair fight.striking when your back is turned and without warning are a common theme, friends helping out on mass ,carrying a concilled weapon as insurance..... all of these preplanned things are in place automatically so he has the edge.and if hes smart, or in anyway concerned about you he will stack the odds in his favour to such an extent that if you fight fair the odds will be difficult to surmount.i don't fight fair, i fight dirty and ive never had a close fight since that time.you have to understand there mentality.in the above post the talk of guns was an effort to intimidate and that failed. no man can intimidate me from doing what i think is right. then he tried an attack and take down from behind and that also failed. once i handed him a fair beating hes colleges jumped in.so to win the war i had to suck that up use some contacts to essentially attack 5 guys which resulted in a free for all punch up untill they backed off, before being able to kick him unconscious outside and so ultimately win .now that takes more than most have and thus the guy would have had another notch to his belt. now i could go on about seeing him and a friend kicking hell out of an innocent Asian guy and a history of slapping women around but my concern was building himself up at my expense and he eventually came unstuck for once in his life.every moment is unique, and unrepeatable, as you never step into exactly the same stream twice.but there are common themes.firstly never step outside with a guy and his friends because you wont receive a round of applause for beating him.stay where you are and use your mobile to call for backup and that doesnt mean calling mom.if backup is unavailable make sure some insurance is waiting for you when you step outside.hit first ,hit with out warning and anything goes are the only rules to a street fight,and if that sounds uncompromising that's because it is.
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tanka said:
i think the goal of any self defense situaion should be your safety and the safety of anyone else you want to protect. not giving the guy a beating. like you mentioned (sorry didnt quote the whole post) this is not a sport fight so beating the guy up should not be your #1 goal IMO
the sole purpose of a street fight is to give a guy a beating.rest assured an attackers perspective will be to inflict a physical beating upon you as quickly as possible with any means at hand.not to offer you some mythical and Nobel fair fight.ask yourself this question.when was the last time you saw a man go to the floor and his opponent reached out his hand, and helped him up? right.this is not a sport fight. you don't win street fights on points, judges score cards, or by showing good technique to his friends in the audience. rest assured you wont receive applause from them for beating him either .its not that type of arena.to win a fight against a committed man you will need to inflict upon him a considerable amount of pain and brutality.if you dont like the sound of that,well thats how reality is some times.and thats before any consideration of concealed weapons.there are various responses to the different levels of threat of course.but, your whole mental attitude is the biggest single factor in this arena.the right attitude is, absolutely by far, the most important factor and that goes above and beyond any style or technique there is out there .get that right and you can take anyone out.including world karate champs. without that mentality being right you are in for a hard night.and you can do yourself a big favour starting from today by forgetting the Nobel concept of a fair fight. leave it in the gym where it exists.if you go down, expect a kicking and if you see a hand reaching out to you... you really are in heaven.
Saintinistic
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I agree on the safety of yourself or those you are protecting, and that sometimes means the threat needs injuring to the extent they cannot continue the attack. I learned MA to protect myself from bullies at school (nearly 20 yrs ago), and that meant beating them down. All depends on your reasons for starting, as to what the long term goals are, mine concern hurting the opponent till they stopped or I got beaten. Mixed with a persons values, morals and beliefs, the end results are limitless.
I havent had get it on for months now as after 3 years I am no longer moonlighting as a bouncer, and I havent been in a ring for probably a decade so that mindset is gone.
Safety is the goal, yet how you get there differs from person to person. I prefer the knees.
I havent had get it on for months now as after 3 years I am no longer moonlighting as a bouncer, and I havent been in a ring for probably a decade so that mindset is gone.
Safety is the goal, yet how you get there differs from person to person. I prefer the knees.
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your mental attitude is the single biggest factor in the line between winning and losing.when you have the attitude right you can take out absolutely any one.now following on from the various responses to the different levels of threat id like to inject a personal piece of history that high lights the importance of awareness and preparedness in a defencive situation. this took place a few years after the previous learning experience .and the story begins in a large night club in the capital city.there are three of us standing on the edge of the dance floor and were rather aggrieved by a dark haired arrogant guys attempt to repeatedly bump casually into my pal on purpose,amid general encouragement from a large group of friends, and then when asked by him if he could he be more careful, being told, why who the fuck are you, I'm the man round here.i step up and say, its me you should be addressing, because hes not from round here. and the scene begins to peat er out, or so it would seem.20mins later the man comes over to us and like a true gentleman shakes our hands and apologises for what we all agree was just a misunderstanding .smiles and handshake all round he leaves and returns to his group of friends 50 metres away.trust, but varify is a policy that will never let you down.awareness is another because looking into this guys eyes i had a feeling this was just an interview and i was no1 on the wish list .looking at the conspiratorial movements, chats to friends, and sly looks i was almost certain of it.but ill give the guy his due, he was stacking the odds by putting us at ease.at least he thought he was.this was a first.there were a team of bouncers on the door .everyone had been frisked.if it was due, it would have to be outside we sumised.now our friend was obviously needed his sleep because he left with a group of friends leaving a couple in there eyeballing us as discreetly as they could. a good boy scout always comes prepared.. so i said to my friend, look this guy seems to have me up first. so, go to the gents, slip out to the car and inside there are two gurkha knives(i used to enjoy sharpening them)in a compartment in the car. put them both in the specially stitched pouch in the back of the lining of the coat and wait just round the side entrance out of site of the doormen and well be out in 10mins, be there. thats insurance.unknown at the time, but it later transpired there was a police car parked directly behind my car doing something useful, i guess.knowing this could be serious and totally unfazed, he places the gurkhas into the coat and locks the car door and walks back to the club and stands in place.he now already knows.we step outside the club and i rapidly take the coat in my hands from him slipping my right hand inside the coat as though about to put it on. his eyes indicate what i have just seen .the big mans getting out of a car and he walks over rapidly and he is focused directly on me, tunnel vision. i know the look.i glance down at his hands and i see a bulge in the wrist of his right shirt sleeve.he stands in front of me and says.do you want yours now.instantly,without reply i grab his right forearm with my left hand drop the coat from my grasp. this lands on the pavement with a thud from the other gurkha and with a firm grasp on the other black handled Gurkha i run the blade from left to right directly across the upper .....................................................this caused him to grasp the arm with his left hand and the knife he was carrying fell from his right hand grasp. this was quickly picked up like a fumbled football pass and it later turned out to be a world war 2 German green handled knife over 6 inches long i had it for some time.we left the scene very quickly indeed.the mistake he made was ,if you intend to do something, always strike with out warning. with out having even one penalty point on my driving licence, you can guess, i dont make those kind of mistakes.
street fighting can be synthesized ,or simplified into one equation, and that equation is this.the man who escalates the violence up quickest to the next level wins.what ever you can do if the other guy takes that level of violence up another notch, he wins.in other words, the most ruthless, cunning, violent man will always win in a street fight. and that is one big reason why you don't want to be there.especially, if you are still entertaining the concept of a fair street fight.the only reason to be fighting, is that you are defending yourself or people close to you.or, maybe a serious point of honour.now some martial artists are constantly looking for the next best move to defend themselves in a fight. the street is really not the arena to be testing your level of skill against the next guy, or somewhere to practise a new move.its a place where every one is looking to stack the odds in there favour .where every one cheats.where anything goes.its not that type of arena.any experienced guy will just be looking to take you out before you have any chance to show him how good you are and after getting in the first shot he will be looking to finish you any way he can.this is why awareness is a good trait to develop. because,to defend against that, you need to know if a man is trying to set you up . then you can nail him before he does it to you.forget the noble self defence notion of letting a man attack you before defending yourself.you may not get the chance to return the compliment.the man who lands first is a big indicator in who will win the fight.you have to be able, by observing body movement ,the swagger, the attitude, facial expression to know the problem people before they get any where near you. perhaps that reasonable chat was just the guys way of interviewing you. weighing you up with out your knowledge before making his move.the next thing to work on is attitude.now some guys equate being obnoxious and loud with being tough or strong.they see politeness as weekness.its not.they think nothing can ever happen to them.it can ,and with that attitude you will multiply your chances.now if you live in almost any major city in the world and you want to take that attitude into a tough area, then by acting that way you can practically guarantee yourself a fight every other night and you are laying yourself wide open for a beating.all you are relying on is that someone doesn't take exception to you.its easy for someone to walk up behind you and smash a glass in your face and there is no move in the world that can defend against that.even if you turn the tables on him .your scared for life. ive one small scar from boxing over an eyebrow and i intend keeping it that way.look, the truth is you can see plenty of action just minding your own business in most citys. Ive met some very violent men.some have had books written about there exploits.almost to a man there not what the public expects .there serious men . there respectful, reserved, will shake your hand.they speak when they have something to say.they have there own code.now imagine for a moment, some bald headed ,fat ,loud mouth who doesn't know what hes talking about coming into that company and being obnoxious.he may receive a verbal warning.then he would be put on the floor .and that is just the way it is.these guys would never be ignorant enough to walk into an unfamiliar environment and shout there mouth off .they know they would be leaving them selves wide open .everyone is beatable.with the right attitude almost anyone can take anyone out.you just need to be more ruthless and cunning than the next man to do it.talking of minding your own business.several weeks ago i had a minor road rage incident .I'm driving home at midnight doing 38 mph in a 30mph zone, when a car comes up behind and rear ends me. i signal him to go past and he refuses.then he speeds past and stops in front of me, some distance away and then reverses at speed up to the front of my now stationary car.3 guys jump out, and make there way towards me . i thought perhaps they knew me, they obviously didnt.now i always carry insurance. so i pulled out my trusty 18 inch machete which has been like an angel on my shoulder. laid it out of sight on my lap buttoned the electric window down.the guys start singing the standard pre fight abuse.the car driver says you were baulking me.now ,truth be known ther ve just come out of the pub and are looking to round the evening off nicely with a fair three on one fight.so taking the machete in my hand i bring it into view and say.why,have you got problem with that .he says no. i then step out of the car and the three guys run back to the car in full flight of terror and make off to the sound of screeching car wheel tyres .sometimes a large stick can preempt problems for other people.insurance is essential to have in a car in city in the 21st century.now id like to end this post with a post script about the friend who handed me the coat out side the club that night.in what was a serious situation.now he went on to marry and have children and we hadn't been in touch for a few years,because i thought his married life was incompatible with my single life and it was best for him .he was an all time good guy, we grew up together played in the garden as kids. enjoyed some good times together as adults.i respected him as much as any man ive met.he did many favours for many people without return.well i was always thinking of meeting him up. maybe this month or early next year, but he ends up dying of cancer and it took just one month before the first symptom an aching arm to his death.the first time i see him in 2 years is 6 hours before his death. now the 30 Min's before going in to see him prop-ted up in bed attached to monitors and in pain and having to compose myself knowing what this really meant was tough as it gets.i was fortunate to be able to tell him what i thought of him, but to have to tell him to just let go. don't put yourself threw anymore pain. everything is taken care of, and well meet up some other time made me think .if any of you guys has a trusted friend who you have lost touch with then find there number and call because one day soon you may not get that chance.im going to end this post now in the hope that if one of these posts can prevent one guy from taking a beating .help one guy win a fight he wasn't entitled to win. and cause some obnoxious bars tad to be a little less so, it will have been worth it...good luck.
tanka said:
i never said fight fair. and you should not be focused on hurting your attacker as your primary objective. safety of you and whoever else you are protecting should be priority #1
and if you have to cause pain to someone to take them out i suggest to broaden your training.
i know you guys have seen someone take punishment/pain like its there job. some people do not get detered by pain. every single human being out there needs oxygen to the brain. deprive that and its nappy time.
if your only means of taking a guy out is to beat him to a pulp you are probably missing out on some much easier and effective ways in defending yourself.
im not saying your approach wont work but there is no way you can really argue saying that causing someone pain is the most effective way at protecting yourself.
also attitude is very very very important but again the way you train is far more important and how you train will determine your attitude in a self defense situation. i know plenty of people who have killer instincts and win at all costs attitudes and when they got into a self defense situation they did very well. but i can guarantee you that if they went against a well trained boxer,wrestler, bjj, judo, sambo, etc,etc they would get dusted cause no matter how tough your mind is if you do not posses more effective skills then your opponent you have a very large up hill battle to face
tanka said:
this is not 100% true. if they are both equal in skill yes and most fights do occur between people equal in skill .. meaning untrained idiots. people who really train dont often go around getting into fights. they fight everyday in the gym and they know they are effective.
if someone doesnt know how to fight at all and is near my weight/strength i can kill there dog, rape there mom and piss in there gas tank and let them loose on me and you know what.. there agressive attitude will probably only hurt them more. you need to be trained not just have a killer instinct.
that is setting yourself up if you believe that you can beat someone w/ your attitude alone. and that is how some scam artists out there try to teach self defense.
a street fight is not a sport fight.its not Noble and it is not fair. if you want that type of experience get in a ring, they even supply a referee for the occassion.if you feel the need to test your skills the dojo or ring is a safe environment to satisfy your competitive instincts .the street is not that type of arena.forget the concept of a noble fair fight and leave it in the gym where it exists .an experienced street fighter will look to nail you with out warning and with what ever he has at hand.no martial arts training and no world karate championship belt can defend you against that type of attack.the man who escalates the violence up quickest to the next level wins.re read that last sentance.that is why you dont want to be there unless you are defending yourself or otheres, or a major point of honor.forget if they are equal in skill because it is not that type of event. it really supersedes what skills you have because they become irrelevant in those cicumstances.and that judo tom,and i understand your sense of fair play and its very honorable indeed, is the reason why a mans best defence against that cunning and ruthless attack is awareness and attitude.i would rarely look to inflict pain to win a fight as rendering them unconscious is the best solution its just that before that occurs they experience some very considerable pain indeed .physical damage and pain also work fine as well.the attitude i speak of is this,and as you can tell this is not about a state of mind. what ever ruthless or cunning move deemed necessary to win will be used.the mentality to pull that off is a ruthless, non caring, win at all costs attitude.and with that attitude you can take absolutely anyone out.that is what you are up against.its less meritocracy and far more democtratic.the only reliable defence against that is your own awareness.the awareness of any and every thing going on around you. to know you are being set up before it happens to you.and hammering him first .because when it does happen the first you will know about it is, when you are down, eating leather ,swallowing your own blood being cut and battered about the head with anything at hand.and it will be very reassuring to know that every other option will have been stacked in his favour also.some men believe that it wont happen to them.that can make things even easier.no one wants to reflect on how vulnerable they really are. how wide open they are to these tactics.no one want to think that how ever long they train, how ever well prepared they are, it just take one guy to simply walk up behind them and smash them full in the face with a pint glass to cause permanent and lasting damage. just as no man likes to reflect on his own death and mortality ,but that is the true nature of reality as it is.you say this judo tom (if someone doesnt know how to fight i can kill there dog, rape there mom piss in there gas tank let them loose on me and you know what, there aggressive attitude will only hurt them)thats not quiet true.lets be rhetorical here. if he were aggressive and had the right attitude he would mask up. capture you when vulnerable, taser you, chuck you into a pick up truck. take you to a secluded lock up garage and torture you for several hours,for raping his mother. hire a boat, take you out to sea and wrap you in wire mesh . attach weights and then slip you over the side to the sound of bon voyage, tom.and believe me, his aggressive attitude would certainly hurt you far more than him.with a ruthless attitude you can take out anyone, regardless.now its amusing for some to talk scenarios, but i would rather stick to reality itself in future.
i dont advocate fighting fair in the streets.
but attitude alone will not carry you through any situation.
do you really think you can take out fedor,tyson,randleman, etc if you are determined enough?
why do my skill become irrelevant in a streetfight? that makes no sense whatsoever.
i do agree that training can not prepare you for every situation. you are right you can go out and hire 20 marines and they can snipe me from 100 yards away and judo will not help me there.. crap i guess i should just stop training and play video games and eat some cheetos
you might not be able to prepare yourself for every situation but you would be wise to prepare yourself for as many possible situations as you can. attitude alone really wont help as much as good training.
in almost every single aspect of LIFE the people who are best prepared (TRAINED) come out on top. regardless if its sales, cooking, sex or self defense.
and i truly believe that proper training will develop your attitude better then anything else. Once i got really serious into martial arts i rarely became nervous in a self defense situation. the typical ones anyway or even the not so typical ones. the reason is the TRAINING.
you seem to be a firm believer in the attitude aspect of self defense so I have some questions if you dont mind.
How do you develop this attitude?
How much do you think attitude can overcome skill in a 'one on one' streetfight (no tasers or complete sneak attacks) not saying a fair fight but one of the types where you might square off w/ someone and both know that a fight is coming. i know thats not how most self defense situations occur but i am very curious on your opinion.
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but attitude alone will not carry you through any situation.
do you really think you can take out fedor,tyson,randleman, etc if you are determined enough?
why do my skill become irrelevant in a streetfight? that makes no sense whatsoever.
i do agree that training can not prepare you for every situation. you are right you can go out and hire 20 marines and they can snipe me from 100 yards away and judo will not help me there.. crap i guess i should just stop training and play video games and eat some cheetos
you might not be able to prepare yourself for every situation but you would be wise to prepare yourself for as many possible situations as you can. attitude alone really wont help as much as good training.
in almost every single aspect of LIFE the people who are best prepared (TRAINED) come out on top. regardless if its sales, cooking, sex or self defense.
and i truly believe that proper training will develop your attitude better then anything else. Once i got really serious into martial arts i rarely became nervous in a self defense situation. the typical ones anyway or even the not so typical ones. the reason is the TRAINING.
you seem to be a firm believer in the attitude aspect of self defense so I have some questions if you dont mind.
How do you develop this attitude?
How much do you think attitude can overcome skill in a 'one on one' streetfight (no tasers or complete sneak attacks) not saying a fair fight but one of the types where you might square off w/ someone and both know that a fight is coming. i know thats not how most self defense situations occur but i am very curious on your opinion.
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just another point.. and it is hard to read your posts so i have missed some of the points you have made i think.. i do believe that awareness is the first step in self defense and without that you are f'd big time. if you are not TRAINED what to look for and if you are not aware of what is going on in your surroundings then you are in lots of trouble.
so i do feel awareness is key but i do not feel that your attitude is anywhere near as important as training.
and just to make it clear i do not believe in fighting fair on the street!
so i do feel awareness is key but i do not feel that your attitude is anywhere near as important as training.
and just to make it clear i do not believe in fighting fair on the street!
ill be frank here.martial arts have little value in a street fight.most of it is bullshit with no true value.bruce lee said a good boxer would beat most martial artists.in my experience that is generally true.the reason these skills become irrelevant against an experienced street fighter is because he would take most guys out before they had a chance to show them.kick boxing and cage fighting are however, of real value.martial artists should get themselves down to the local boxing, or kick boxing gym for a reality check on its true ineffectiveness. get yourselves gloved up and you will find out just how non lethal those hands are .try it and see.full contact and full bore is essential.its like a singer learning to sing, with out singing. buy yourself some gloves, head guard, and start learning something of relevance.there is no Santa. you wont get to look like Ronnie Coleman by lifting weights and eating protein powder drinks, and most martial arts are of little true value in street fighting.the mind maybe strong but flesh is always weak.i train regularly but i don't over estimate its relevance in a street fight.i know that a fit trained guy is no match for a totally ruthless one.the only attitude that i mention is this. what ever tactic or weapon necessary to win the fight will be used.a really bad attitude.flesh is always weak .that attitude will always over come skill because the guy wont be in a position to use any skills .the man who escalates the violence up to the next level first, wins.the only questions you need to ask yourselves are these.if a man were waiting to attack you with a knife could you disarm him with out so much as a cut.if you were challenged by three guys could you send them running for cover?can you deck an 18stone guy with just one blow?a ruthless man can.
Saintinistic
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A fit trained man could take out a ruthless man, if he trained to hospitalise his opponent, such as in Close Quarter Combat. Attitude does hold the way to winning, yet whoever gets a vital area struck first is the one to drop. It relys not on pain, but on efficient shut down of the areas purpose. such as throat for breathing.
Just being an animal is sometimes not enough if the opponent isnt interested in tit for tat scuffle but vital area shutdown.
Just being an animal is sometimes not enough if the opponent isnt interested in tit for tat scuffle but vital area shutdown.
a fit trained man like our karate world champion i suppose. or the black belt a guy i spared with knocked down with one punch and kicked unconcious.and these are the elite guys.the wannabes are in real trouble then.reach for the karate kid videos and keep dreaming about how you would like it to be.take some of it to a tough area and see how you get on.why don't you martial artists post up some real life experiences right now?or does it only work well in the cosy confines of your own mind?i know of three experiences one i saw two are confirmed history and the black belts were all well sorted out.look if i knew of some martial arts success stories id post up .i dont.im waiting.
first easy with the flames dont come here and insult the people that are training and giving there opinions just like you are.
2nd now i think we are getting somewhere.. i think you have a problem with how some people train and how that would relate to self defense. and there i am in huge agreement w/ you. it is how you train that makes a difference. you need to train in a manner that best prepares you for self defense if that is what you are looking to excel at. in your example of a knife fight .. well someone who trains daily with a knife againsts another knife fighter will be more prepared then me who has only trained w/ a knife 2-3hrs total. regardles of either of our mental attitudes.
i def agree that most boxers will do extremely well in a self defense situation because of the way they train. I also think that a lot of martial artists feel they are prepared for self defense but actually are not.
am i getting close or do you still feel that training regardless of what type has little benefit on the street?
2nd now i think we are getting somewhere.. i think you have a problem with how some people train and how that would relate to self defense. and there i am in huge agreement w/ you. it is how you train that makes a difference. you need to train in a manner that best prepares you for self defense if that is what you are looking to excel at. in your example of a knife fight .. well someone who trains daily with a knife againsts another knife fighter will be more prepared then me who has only trained w/ a knife 2-3hrs total. regardles of either of our mental attitudes.
i def agree that most boxers will do extremely well in a self defense situation because of the way they train. I also think that a lot of martial artists feel they are prepared for self defense but actually are not.
am i getting close or do you still feel that training regardless of what type has little benefit on the street?
judotom the last i remember of you, you were languishing at the bottom of the sea bed, sader and i thought wiser.you thought if you can beat someone physically you could rape there mother and kill there dog with out consequence .not 100% strictly true in real life of course if you pull that on the wrong individual . the above post could hurt some i guess if very sensitive as it is very direct and true.i knew i should of attached more weight.but seriously judotom,if you could see some of what i have seen you would know.your still wide of the mark.now where are those martial arts posts?
well let me come up for some air just for a sec...
if you think boxers make good street fighters do you think that muay thai guys make good fighters? thats a martial art isnt it?
what do you think of some of the arts that are aimed purely for self defense?
im sure your not the only one to see some messed up stuff out there.. and i know im not the only person out there that has seen a trained martial artists take out a street punk. im not saying its gonna happen all the time just saying.
if you think boxers make good street fighters do you think that muay thai guys make good fighters? thats a martial art isnt it?
what do you think of some of the arts that are aimed purely for self defense?
im sure your not the only one to see some messed up stuff out there.. and i know im not the only person out there that has seen a trained martial artists take out a street punk. im not saying its gonna happen all the time just saying.
Djimbe
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Tanka :
Bro , Back up .
Im 400 lbs . Ive been Studying MA my WHOLE Life , and i KIND of see SOME of what youre saying . But on a lot of it ...
I dont care HOW mentally Tough , or WHAT some 1230 lb man knows , he dosent stand a chance without an Equaliser . Thast includes if Im fisting his mother while Sodomising his sister while boiling the gebutals of his little brother simultaneously . He comes at me and Im going to kick the crap out of him , and Im not even going to break a Sweat doing so .
And no , I just have the advantadge , and he dosent . I dont care how "Committed" the guy is , or what hes willing to give up , Ill just STOP him from doing whatever it is he had intended .
Oh , and as for your little "Stories" ... Ive been hit with EVERYTHING you can think of , and a few things you cant . It usually just Pisses me off , and if you REACH for something then you will WAKE UP with your hand in your clothing .
Secondly , what is it about ppl that makes you think YOURE the only one that will reach for a Weapon ? Im HUGE ,, and Im WELL Trained , and Ill Pick up ANYTHING and Smash you with it ! Ill hit you with a High-top if theres one nearby ! Thats whatFightings all ABOUT ! Im not breaking my Knuckes on your hard skull unless I HAVE to , trust me .
PERIOD .
You see , THIS is what I HATE about Womens Self Defense Courses , and "Close Quarters Combat" systems that have "Cool" acronyms or names like "Defendo" or "Lethalo" or "SCARS" but dont teach you the REALITIES of Fighting , one of wich is that if a guy has 100lbs of MUSCLE on you RUN AWAY .
Bro , Back up .
Im 400 lbs . Ive been Studying MA my WHOLE Life , and i KIND of see SOME of what youre saying . But on a lot of it ...
I dont care HOW mentally Tough , or WHAT some 1230 lb man knows , he dosent stand a chance without an Equaliser . Thast includes if Im fisting his mother while Sodomising his sister while boiling the gebutals of his little brother simultaneously . He comes at me and Im going to kick the crap out of him , and Im not even going to break a Sweat doing so .
And no , I just have the advantadge , and he dosent . I dont care how "Committed" the guy is , or what hes willing to give up , Ill just STOP him from doing whatever it is he had intended .
Oh , and as for your little "Stories" ... Ive been hit with EVERYTHING you can think of , and a few things you cant . It usually just Pisses me off , and if you REACH for something then you will WAKE UP with your hand in your clothing .
Secondly , what is it about ppl that makes you think YOURE the only one that will reach for a Weapon ? Im HUGE ,, and Im WELL Trained , and Ill Pick up ANYTHING and Smash you with it ! Ill hit you with a High-top if theres one nearby ! Thats whatFightings all ABOUT ! Im not breaking my Knuckes on your hard skull unless I HAVE to , trust me .
PERIOD .
You see , THIS is what I HATE about Womens Self Defense Courses , and "Close Quarters Combat" systems that have "Cool" acronyms or names like "Defendo" or "Lethalo" or "SCARS" but dont teach you the REALITIES of Fighting , one of wich is that if a guy has 100lbs of MUSCLE on you RUN AWAY .
all this talk of sodomy and fisting his mother sounds very juvenile to me, and very underwhelming.guys tend to talk loud when they have little positive to say . you say you have been hit with everything someone can think of.you havent been.if sodomy and fisting were serious past times of yours, a bullet between the eyes would have been yours by now.a 400 pound guy like you concerned about breaking his knuckles on a guys skull .come on, you should be crushing guys skulls.now, if you would like to post up something useful .something anecdotal from you could be really something.im looking forward to seeing it.however,ill take this last post with the humour it absolutely deserves.now where are those martial arts posts.
Saintinistic
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Martial arts stories? well they can be made up, and i cant see you believing them. I have poked eyes, chopped necks, knee'd faces/ribcages and I dont use a closed fist. I do agree that the savage attitude that has no remorse has an advantage, but skill has some merit in this, and not all martial artists are posers.
Not all of us go to some fluro lit gym with air conditioning with background music in some fancy part of town. I got into training because I lived in that bad part of town, and even though I trained I still got beaten, until I stopped fighting like I was in the ring, and started to fight like my opponent. so you do have a point. I learned most of what works for me from those beatings as a skinny white boy in the wrong neighbourhood. but the training gave me some other options. The moves that still work for me are the ones that had no fancy names, as they arent part of sport fighting.
Not all martial arts train for image, some do train to suit the environment they are in.
and some close combat gyms do have military trainers. many have fakes. Alot of the training places are money orientated and not survival orientated.
Not all of us go to some fluro lit gym with air conditioning with background music in some fancy part of town. I got into training because I lived in that bad part of town, and even though I trained I still got beaten, until I stopped fighting like I was in the ring, and started to fight like my opponent. so you do have a point. I learned most of what works for me from those beatings as a skinny white boy in the wrong neighbourhood. but the training gave me some other options. The moves that still work for me are the ones that had no fancy names, as they arent part of sport fighting.
Not all martial arts train for image, some do train to suit the environment they are in.
and some close combat gyms do have military trainers. many have fakes. Alot of the training places are money orientated and not survival orientated.
for me the concept of a fair street fight is so ludicrous that it gets no consideration at all. its good to see others understand this fully as well.for me a street fight is formless.its fighting with out fighting.its winning with out competing.its about stacking the odds and preparation.a place where awareness is important to winning. hitting first and with out warning. rear leg take downs. attacking from the blind side.carrying insurance. being first to escalate the violence up to the next level.leaving the scene immediately after, all feature.the only concession i make and one i wouldn't expect i in return, is that, once the threat has been neutralised, i don't continue to follow through.some do.so many have there vision distorted by indoctrinated belief systems and false paradigms that they rarely see reality as it truly is .they believe the Disney land version of past reality's that they are sold .they don't question anything, and any doubts are pushed aside by leaps of faith.some try to remove them selves from reality because they don't like the taste of it. these people will only learn through there own mistakes.some who don't live in capital city environments will have not experienced much violence .country life is somewhat different.count yourself fortunate. you need to be in a mans shoes to appreciate thing's.it feels as though Ive been doing a public service for far too long .i could fill these posts with over two dozen more incidents and not one of them had a positive result.as Ive reached the age of 30 Ive started to see the draw of waking to the sound of birds instead of traffic. the smell of grass instead of car pollution. peace and quiet instead of loud obnoxious bastards.and as things have gone well for me, a detached house in the country with a single life style is the place for me in the next few months.THIS WILL BE MY LAST POST on this subject.i hope its been of some value.for me, one of the most important things in life is to be true and good to your family and friends, as they are more valuable than all the gold in this world ,good luck.
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Sry Tanka, but boxing is a martial art so is Kickboxing and since Muay Thai is basically KB that would make it a martial arts as well. I believe you are generalising all martial arts under the umbrella of tradition and McDojoism. True there are alot of shitty arts and shitty teachers (I wont mention names because I dont want to start a flame fest, but thats just my opinion) and then there are arts out there that work on the streets and have been tried tested and true. In the end any training is better than no training, period- just make sure you are not under a McDojo school w/ a shitty teacher because you are right, then THOSE MAs will get decimated in a real fight. I can post some incidents that have happened to me , but I won't because thats just tooting my own horn. MA has given me the edge in risky situations though, and MA for me, in this case is Muay Thai, Boxing , BJJ. And since you are no longer replying to this thread, I just hope you read this and use it to come to your own conclusions on the matter. Good luck on whatever comes your way.
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