That's my cuestion, why ? there are guys in the gym that runs cycles for 20 weeks and they not get shutdown, Is there any trick to do that ? i tried with nolvaldex during the cycle and it did not work i always got shutdown in about 10 weeks, i am newbie but my cycle diet and all the information that i have is like any other posted in this forum, and please can you tell me what do you mean with " start to kick in" when you say that a steroid will kick in in the 3rd week that means that i will not see gains till the 3rd week ? i am sorry about the stupid question but i swear that i researched in a lot of forums and i did not found any information about it, Thanx a lot !!!