Still thinking about my next cycle.

[Spidey]

OK, Here's the thing. I already have 100 mL tren (100 mg/mL) and about 45 mL test prop (100 mg/mL). I also have Noladex, Arimidex and Clomid. I have already ordered 250 dbols and my source tells me they are on the way. I have always wanted to try dbol . I started HGH at 4 iu's ed some 5 weeks ago but have stopped for now due to gyno. Normally, I wouldn't try GH again as I know it causes gyno for me but I have some serious tendon problems that I am hoping GH will at least help with, if not cure. Tenatively, I have a source from which I can get proviron if I want it (NO, don't bother asking).

I am trying to design a good mass cycle from what I already have (and maybe proviron as an anti-e). Because of my tendon problems, I want to try the GH again at 2 iu's ed and maybe add in an estrogen blocker to prevent GH induced gyno.

Here are my questions: Is proviron as good an anti-e as Nolvadex for preventing gyno due to GH? Does proviron suppress the HPTA? If not, I could take proviron and GH after cycle during my recovery period to cut up a little while keeping myself in an anabolic state. If it does suppress, I would substitute Nolva at 20 mg ed instead. Nandi12 makes a convincing argument for not using Arimidex with GH.

I am thinking something like this:

weeks 1-6: dbol 25mg ed
tren 50 mg ed
proviron 50 mg ed
Humatrope (Lilly) 2 iu's ed

weeks 7-12: tren 50 mg ed
test prop 50 mg ed
proviron 50 mg ed
Humatrope (Lilly) 2 iu's ed

weeks 13-14: Clomid (100 mg ed week 13 then 50 mg ed week 14)
proviron 50 mg ed
Humatrope (Lilly) 2 iu's ed

weeks 15-26: proviron 50 mg ed
Humatrope (Lilly) 2 iu's ed

OR

weeks 1-6: dbol 25mg ed
tren 50 mg ed
Arimidex 1 mg eod (+ Nolvadex 20 mg ed?)
Humatrope (Lilly) 2 iu's ed

weeks 7-12: tren 50 mg ed
test prop 50 mg ed
proviron 50 mg ed
Nolvadex 20 mg ed
Humatrope (Lilly) 2 iu's ed

weeks 13-14: Clomid (100 mg ed week 13 then 50 mg ed week 14)
Nolvadex 20 mg ed
Humatrope (Lilly) 2 iu's ed

weeks 15-26: Nolvadex 20 mg ed
Humatrope (Lilly) 2 iu's ed

I will eat a clean diet as much as possible with 300 g protein and ~3500 calories. I work out on a 4 day split: chest+triceps+calves, legs (including calves), shoulders+biceps+abdominals, back+abdominals, day off.

OK, suggestions? If you think there are problems with my proposed cycles, tell me what you think. What else would you suggest given what I have in terms of AS? Is running proviron or nolvadex for that long a problem?

-Spidey

 

[Big-Puncher]

Looks alright but wouldnt do tren for 12 weeks though. 6 is as far or 8 is pushing it.

 

[Spidey]

Thanks BP. I did tren last time for 8 weeks and had no sides to speak of but maybe you're right. I may not push it past 8 weeks.

Anybody else? nandi12, quadsweep, macrophage69alpha?

-Spidey

 

[BigAndy69]

Why the nolva weeks 15-26? It doesn't seem necessary

 

[Spidey]

Why the nolva weeks 15-26? It doesn't seem necessary

GH by itself causes gyno with me (at least at 4 iu's ed). I need the nolva to protect me from that.

-Spidey

 

[BigAndy69]

Can GH really do that or could it be that your GH is actually HCG?

Just something to think about, I'm not trying to scare you.

Actually, GH could cause gyno, I'm not entirely sure.

 

[Spidey]

Yes, GH can cause gyno in some men. I think it is rare but I guess I am just unlucky. I got the GH from a doctor (indirectly) who got it directly from Lilly. It is in the original packaging and is a humatrope pen. In short, I'm sure it is legit.

Gh causes an increase in IGF1 which can (in combination with estrogen) cause gyno. I think gyno is actually listed as a possible side effect. At any rate, Nandi12 and some others on this board have provided me with several references to show that HGH can cause gyno in some men. I was skeptical at first myself.

-Spidey

 

[BigAndy69]

I was open to the possibility but when I read that you are using Lilly GH (which is often faked) I thought that could be the problem.

If you got it from a doctor than you have nothing to worry about.

 

[Spidey]

So, do you see a problem running nolvadex for so long? How about proviron?

-Spidey

 

[Spidey]

Bump for anyone that can answer my specific questions on proviron. Does it suppress the HPTA? As good as Nolvadex for anti-e? Problems with running it (or nolva) for 26 weeks?

-Spidey