Still Extremely Confused About PCT

[cmarcell]

Some of you guys may have seen my posts here about my first cycle. To refresh, I'll be doing a simple cycle of:

Weeks:
1-12 Testosterone Enanthate 500 mgs
1-4 Dbol (wanted to do 20 mg, heard it was too low, may start at 20 mg week 1, then jump to 30-40 mg a week) ED

That's the easy part. The hard part is probably the most important part. What to run with, and after this cycle.

There are SERMS like Clomid and Nolvadex. AI's like Aromasin. And of course, HCG.

I like the idea of running HCG during cycle. This would be run starting week 3, and all the way through week 12. If done, I would be running between 250-500 iu's 2x each week. Why do this? To keep my testes from shrinking. If I did this, I would also run an AI with it, something like Aromasin 25 mgs ED.

Then there is PCT. If I didn't run HCG during cycle, I would run it here. Once again, I'm not sure about the dosages I would do. But PCT, it would be ED for 3 weeks. Personally, if I use it, I would rather run it during, as long as it isn't messing with gains. Then Nolvadex and Clomid. And I've even seen Arimidex. I see a lot of Nolvadex users (and of course on hand during just in case), but the dosages vary. Some say do 40/40/20/20, other people say never go above 10 mgs ED. And Clomid, some people like, a lot of people dislike.

I'm extremely confused on what to run with this simple cycle. Any advice?

 

[enacer420nj]

Some of you guys may have seen my posts here about my first cycle. To refresh, I'll be doing a simple cycle of:

Weeks:
1-12 Testosterone Enanthate 500 mgs
1-4 Dbol (wanted to do 20 mg, heard it was too low, may start at 20 mg week 1, then jump to 30-40 mg a week) ED

That's the easy part. The hard part is probably the most important part. What to run with, and after this cycle.

There are SERMS like Clomid and Nolvadex. AI's like Aromasin. And of course, HCG.

I like the idea of running HCG during cycle. This would be run starting week 3, and all the way through week 12. If done, I would be running between 250-500 iu's 2x each week. Why do this? To keep my testes from shrinking. If I did this, I would also run an AI with it, something like Aromasin 25 mgs ED.

Then there is PCT. If I didn't run HCG during cycle, I would run it here. Once again, I'm not sure about the dosages I would do. But PCT, it would be ED for 3 weeks. Personally, if I use it, I would rather run it during, as long as it isn't messing with gains. Then Nolvadex and Clomid. And I've even seen Arimidex. I see a lot of Nolvadex users (and of course on hand during just in case), but the dosages vary. Some say do 40/40/20/20, other people say never go above 10 mgs ED. And Clomid, some people like, a lot of people dislike.

I'm extremely confused on what to run with this simple cycle. Any advice?

Well its good your asking questions...is this your first cycle and how old are you...aside from that you probably wont need hcg during cycle shorten it up to 10 weeks though...AI is always good on hand if you dont knowhow you will respond to estrogen...I like aromasin over arimidex and run it 6-12mg EOD-E3D and up it when needed...some people dont need an AI if you wanna use a small amount to keep bloat away you can..sounds like even though your confused your on the right track.

 

[scout69]

I always use Clomid post Cycle, Now for some people some signs of Depression st in but not all and you really wont know until you try, But personaly I always like the results I've goten from Clomid.

 

[cmarcell]

Yes first cycle. 23 years old.

1 question- why shorten cycle to 10 weeks? Just curious, thats all.

 

[rudy76]

I'm extremely confused on what to run with this simple cycle. Any advice?

You don't sound confused. I know I answered on one of your other posts so maybe you're looking for more but here's a bit of a list.

Nolva, normally comes in 20mg tabs so it's most eaily taken in incraments of 20mg. By far more guys will tell you to not bother with Nolva unless you have gyno symptoms. It hurts / loses some gains. The 20mg is a fine mid level dose no reason for more unless you have obvious gyno. Less of a dose and you risk not treating your gyno.

Clomid, I would say is the most popular PCT drug. It isn't normally taken over 50mg due to it's harsh sides. Blurred vision is the biggest - take 200mg and most guys will have tracers like their on LSD. If I had to choose between Nolva or Clomid I would choose Clomid for PCT.

HCG is the most important part of PCT imo. In theory you need nothing more than a low dose of HCG (250iu's twice a week) and over the counter supps like Post Cycle, Unleashed or Dermacrine Alpha. HCG can cause aromatization which will increase your estrogen levels. That is why it is normally recomended during cycle not after. After you really don't want to be adding extra estrogen - it will hurt gains, cause acne, bloat etc. The shrinking testes are the problem like you mention because who wants tiny balls firstly but more importantly Testosterone is made in your testes so you need to make sure they are able to fully function ASAP after the cycle.

I have little experience with the AI's but you need to remember they are just used to control aromatization so the lowest effective dose is best - don't go overboard because agian they will hurt gains. I personally have letro on hand but have never used it. My only side is acne and a bit of a lacking libido.

The main thing to remember about PCT is what is proven to work. Many guys have gone to fertility clinics and the doc has put them on high dose HCG and Clomid -- nothing else.

 

[enacer420nj]

Yes first cycle. 23 years old.

1 question- why shorten cycle to 10 weeks? Just curious, thats all.

Less suppressive....how long have you been training and aer you on a clean diet and eating enough? If I was 23 again I woulda waited a few more years.

 

[needtogetaas]

Some of you guys may have seen my posts here about my first cycle. To refresh, I'll be doing a simple cycle of:

Weeks:
1-12 Testosterone Enanthate 500 mgs
1-4 Dbol (wanted to do 20 mg, heard it was too low, may start at 20 mg week 1, then jump to 30-40 mg a week) ED

That's the easy part. The hard part is probably the most important part. What to run with, and after this cycle.

There are SERMS like Clomid and Nolvadex. AI's like Aromasin. And of course, HCG.

I like the idea of running HCG during cycle. This would be run starting week 3, and all the way through week 12. If done, I would be running between 250-500 iu's 2x each week. Why do this? To keep my testes from shrinking. If I did this, I would also run an AI with it, something like Aromasin 25 mgs ED.

Then there is PCT. If I didn't run HCG during cycle, I would run it here. Once again, I'm not sure about the dosages I would do. But PCT, it would be ED for 3 weeks. Personally, if I use it, I would rather run it during, as long as it isn't messing with gains. Then Nolvadex and Clomid. And I've even seen Arimidex. I see a lot of Nolvadex users (and of course on hand during just in case), but the dosages vary. Some say do 40/40/20/20, other people say never go above 10 mgs ED. And Clomid, some people like, a lot of people dislike.

I'm extremely confused on what to run with this simple cycle. Any advice?

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[bigslimfitting]

I always use Clomid post Cycle, Now for some people some signs of Depression st in but not all and you really wont know until you try, But personaly I always like the results I've goten from Clomid.

I'm spooked about the depression.......clomid is what causes this or the low test after a cycle does.....What can a guy to to prevent it....beside not doing aas in the first place?

 

[halfcenturian]

Don't take clomid. Or for that matter, Nolva.
Get some HCG, and buy a seperate large vial of bacterial water to go with it. Don't use the water that comes with HCG, it has a very short sterility life. Also get some Arimidex or Aromasin. Proviron and Dostinex/ Cabergoline. These are the best products out there for PCT. There are also some good OTC products you can buy here at EF.
Have ALL of these in hand before you begin any steroid cycle.

 

[Nelson Montana]

One misnomer is that, side effects not withstanding, Clomid is proven to work.

IT IS NOT.

Clomid works SOMETIMES, and since the medical community is not really trained in this area, it's a "why not" drug when no alternatives seem viable. (They sure aren't going to prescribe supplements though I know a few more progressive endos who will).

Now it doesn't do me any good to dissuade people from using CLomid. In fact, for those who use it and like it, adding UNLEASHED and POST CYCLE makes recovery even faster! But I just feel the warning should be made.

 

[cmarcell]

This is what I have available to me:

Proviron
Arimidex
Propecia
Clomid
Nolvadex
Clenbuterol
Anadrol
Cytomel
Liver Cure
HCG

I would def. run HCG 250 iu's 2x each week from week 2 to 12 (or 10).

It basically comes down to what to run with during cycle, and what to run post cycle.

I have to admit I don't really know much about proviron. I wanted to add aromasin during cycle.***********

 

[cmarcell]

1 more thing. To the poster who said he would have waited longer, can I ask why? Are you having trouble getting to where you want to be now?

 

[cmarcell]

bump...sorry

 

[eddymerckx]

Don't take clomid. Or for that matter, Nolva.
Get some HCG, and buy a seperate large vial of bacterial water to go with it. Don't use the water that comes with HCG, it has a very short sterility life. Also get some Arimidex or Aromasin. Proviron and Dostinex/ Cabergoline. These are the best products out there for PCT. There are also some good OTC products you can buy here at EF.
Have ALL of these in hand before you begin any steroid cycle.

with old age comes wisdom--

 

[cmarcell]

I've done some research on Proviron and the one thing in common is people saying to use it during cycle but not PCT.

I would already be taking:
1-12 Test E 500 mg/wk
1-4 Dbol 40 mg ED
2-12 HCG 500 iu/wk

The only question is what to take with during cycle, if anything (some people take arimidex or aromasin with HCG). And then PCT.

 

[cmarcell]

Also will HCG hurt any potential gains if taken during cycle?

 

[rudy76]

Also will HCG hurt any potential gains if taken during cycle?

No but not using it gives you a higher chance of losing gains after / during PCT.