Steroids

[instant.muscle]

test is a natural hormone is ur body that makes u man for example strength, and that motivation u need in the gym, also testosterone is the #1 thing that increase LEAN muscle and actually decreases bodyfat, take an anti E 2 keep the water off of u, yes on a cycle of Test with anti E u can get shredded as the FUCK!

 

[booby]

I dont get it. Test is test. Yeah but I got a question, why do people like to take test only to be strong for those two months if after your all done and complete with your cycle and proper pct you loose most of your strength and all that weight(mostly water) you gained while on it. After doing my one cycle of prop at 100mg EOD I blew up to like 220lbs from 190... now I just stepped on the scaled today and I'm back down to 195 about. It just seems like its pointless and that was with proper pct too. Just wondering why everyone does it if you loose mostly everything after?

i think genetics also has alot to do with it...some guys can do pct and lose everything other guy do no pct and keep most of their gains.

but think of it this way you kept 5lbs right? so 2 or 3 cycles a year and your gonna be 10-15 lbs bigger as long as you eat,train, and rest properly. 10-15lbs a year of muscle is great! if its all muscle.

cycling is like 2 or 3 steps forward when on, and 1 step backwards when off.as long as you keep some of it you are always making progress from your original starting point!

 

[FFQuads]

I dont get it. Test is test. Yeah but I got a question, why do people like to take test only to be strong for those two months if after your all done and complete with your cycle and proper pct you loose most of your strength and all that weight(mostly water) you gained while on it. After doing my one cycle of prop at 100mg EOD I blew up to like 220lbs from 190... now I just stepped on the scaled today and I'm back down to 195 about. It just seems like its pointless and that was with proper pct too. Just wondering why everyone does it if you loose mostly everything after?

Wrong! I trained hard for years and built a good base. Then I did Test and Deca and it changed my strength and body forever!! It all comes down to this - How bad do you want it and how hard are you willing to work to keep it.....

 

[mlong23]

I love the guys that say they don't lose anything when they cycle. 2 Questions then, are you gaining weight when using steroids, and have you only done 1 or 2 cycles of steroids. 1st question is obvious. 2nd question is if you never lose weight and you are gaining weight when you cycle, then why aren't you upstage next to Ronnie and Jay at the Olympia. If you consistently gain weight and never lose any of it, then after a few years of cycling you should be, I would hope, and extra 20-30 lbs of hard muscle. Few years later, now you have gained 50 lbs of muscle. Explain this to me please.

 

[mlong23]

I dont get it. Test is test. Yeah but I got a question, why do people like to take test only to be strong for those two months if after your all done and complete with your cycle and proper pct you loose most of your strength and all that weight(mostly water) you gained while on it. After doing my one cycle of prop at 100mg EOD I blew up to like 220lbs from 190... now I just stepped on the scaled today and I'm back down to 195 about. It just seems like its pointless and that was with proper pct too. Just wondering why everyone does it if you loose mostly everything after?

You obviously lost a lot of weight, probably didn't do everything you should have. You will always lose some weight (read my above post). If that was your 1st cycle, learn on your next one how to keep more of the weight. Only used Prop once, and didn't lose a whole lot, but then I just started back on after about 5 weeks. How long have you been off. If you have been for 1/2 a year, you can expect to lose most of it, from my experience. But look at the positive, you are now 5 lbs heavier in 2 months. Wait another month or 2 and start another mild cycle, maybe you gain another 15-20 lbs, lose 10-15 of that and you are still up another 5 lbs. 10 lbs. of muscle gain in a year is phenomnal, as long as you are not a rookie to lifting weights (if you are, you shouldn't be juicing).

 

[mlong23]

After rereading your post, what did you eat? You gained 30 lbs. with most of it being water. You probably made the rookie juicer mistake of eating everything, because you thought you were bulking. I have done this about 3-4 times on my 1st few cycles. You still need to eat cleaner foods when bulking. You will retain much more of your weight, and not gain as much water (hopefully). Typically won't gain a whole lot of water from Test Prop alone. If I was you I would look at your diet (on and off cycle) a little more throughly. Make oatmeal and brown rice a stable of your diet, whether your bulking or cutting. Just eat more of the two if your bulking.

 

[sparetire]

After my first cycle, I was pretty cut , it was a eq 400mgs 1-12 , winny 50ed 6-12. I gained about 15 pounds lost 5 of it. Over the next 5 months being off, I lost another 8 pounds. Second cycle, eq 500 a week, sustanon 350 1-12 (eq 1-15). Gained about 20 pounds, after being off, still training hard, lost about 15. ran my 3rd cycle and gained about 15 lost 10 (test cycle - short). So I went from 140 pounds originally to my highest of 176-177. I have a small body frame like diezelgunz or bruce - lean..etc. usually, during a cycle i get over 165, but off, I maintain around 155 pounds. I haven't grown any since I was 140 pounds, so holding 15 extra pounds over time - over 3 cycles I guess is pretty decent.

I have always wanted cuts on my shoulders, which I could never attain no matter hard I worked out before steroids, and I still have my shoulders. So, running gear is good in that aspect for me, but no way can a person stay off for like 6 -8 months and still maintain what they grew to while being on. And yes, it really does come down to how hard a person trains, eats and sleeps

 

[Bruce]

i really agree with everything spare has to say in this thread. i am exactly like him which is probably why. for me to stay in the 170-180 range i have to be eating 5000cals a day or it goes fast. though i gained 22lbs with deca i lost it all and more. so i don't even like to count that. with tbol and now with eq and var i am making "natural gains" i am getting more cut up and getting new veins. the mass is not water weight so it is easy for me to keep it. test is just a waste for me cause i will not retain the gains. i am not willing to tax my body with steroids with no permanent results. i am not a bber like spare i have a tiny frame, 28 inch waist and just very narrow. if i am going to use them i want lean mass gains that i get from hard training and diet. if i put on 12 lbs in 2 weeks i know that i am not gonna keep that, but if i put on a pound a week say on eq and its gradual and lean i can keep it. i kept all 7lbs from my tbol only cycle, it was like coming off of creatine for pct. you know what though i would take 7 keepbable gains over 22lbs that are gone in a week anyway

 

[steelmass]

Humalog post cycle helped me retain almost all of my gains last cycle. That for 4 weeks and by the end my test levels were back to reasonable. By week 6 I had fully recovered and kept almost all gains... now im back on... 10 weeks later... lol

 

[bluetwistedsteel67]

That's why I have never taken test. As far as I'm concerned, tren is the only way to go for maintainable strength gains; the size gains made from tren aren't watery bloat either. Never done test, and probably never will. I've kept all my strength and size gains from tren with NO pct; Yeah I got the bloodwork to prove it ya'll: everythings as normal as it was before I ever started doing shit. Now I'm not saying that's everyone... just giving an example while bragging at the same time

If that's the case then you're using bogus gear bro. Either that or your using ultra light dosage. No way you (or anybody) does tren with no crash or need for PCT and keeps all his strength and size gains. No way, no way, no way.