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monkeyballs
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Hey...EPO shouldn't be fucked with without a Doctor looking over you all the time. Pro Cyclists have team doctors that monitor hemocrit levels all the fucking time. EPO is not something that you just keep in your medicine cabinet with your other juice and leave a post here on the board when you get a headache. EPO will kill you VERY quickly if not used correctly. It can even kill you even when it is used right. Stay away from that shit unless you have someone with a M.D. and a love of doped cyclists next to you at all times.
monkeyballs
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Hey Nautica,
So I'm wondering why GH hasn't recived much attention on this post. Since most athletes have to deal with drug tests, wouldn't GH with some mild oral (I.E. Var) be a great choice for an athlete wishing to put on quality gains that can be held on to once the cycle ends. Also, Test and other heavy androgens carry the burden of allowing the body to become stronger than conective tissues, thus making an athlete injury prone. In a sport like football, where injuries are common in the first place, wouldn't an athlete who is more likely to be injured be almost useless even with tremedous AS induced gains. GH strengthens conective tissues as well as slightly promoting strenght gains and altering body composition. Plus, tests are no longer a hassle. GH/var sounds like a good combo to me. (i'm hoping that you agree because I'm about to start a cycle of my own)
So I'm wondering why GH hasn't recived much attention on this post. Since most athletes have to deal with drug tests, wouldn't GH with some mild oral (I.E. Var) be a great choice for an athlete wishing to put on quality gains that can be held on to once the cycle ends. Also, Test and other heavy androgens carry the burden of allowing the body to become stronger than conective tissues, thus making an athlete injury prone. In a sport like football, where injuries are common in the first place, wouldn't an athlete who is more likely to be injured be almost useless even with tremedous AS induced gains. GH strengthens conective tissues as well as slightly promoting strenght gains and altering body composition. Plus, tests are no longer a hassle. GH/var sounds like a good combo to me. (i'm hoping that you agree because I'm about to start a cycle of my own)
monkeyballs
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Gonna bump.
Any GH users feel free to chime in.
Any GH users feel free to chime in.
nautica
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Oh yeah, monkeyballs. GH is definately the greatest choice for athletes. Especially athletes past 25.
If an athlete can afford it they could stay on it all the time and not worry about testing at the moment.
Although, I have read that the IOC has come up with a new test to distinquish the difference between exogenous and endogenous HGH, but the test is not yet 100%, so they have not started using it. But they say it is coming.
Personally, I don't buy it. How the hell could a test tell the difference, unless you levels were just extremely high. But given the extremely short half-life of hgh, it would still be almost impossible.
anyway until then sub Q's for every athlete.
. For strength athletes, it would not hurt to throw in a little slin also. And if one really wanted to get dirty IGF-1.
Nautica
If an athlete can afford it they could stay on it all the time and not worry about testing at the moment.
Although, I have read that the IOC has come up with a new test to distinquish the difference between exogenous and endogenous HGH, but the test is not yet 100%, so they have not started using it. But they say it is coming.
Personally, I don't buy it. How the hell could a test tell the difference, unless you levels were just extremely high. But given the extremely short half-life of hgh, it would still be almost impossible.
anyway until then sub Q's for every athlete.
. For strength athletes, it would not hurt to throw in a little slin also. And if one really wanted to get dirty IGF-1.Nautica
monkeyballs
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At the moment I'm 24...so GH is on the horizon. The guy who won the gold medal in my event (with a world record) was 32 and eastern european. I can smell the GH all over him, and just about every other european as well. As for IGF-1 and Slin, both are on the banned substance list, but how the hell could they test for those if they can't test for GH. As for a test on GH...I wouldn't be suprised if they have one by the next olympics, and I also wouldn't be suprised to see an undetectable version of GH soon thereafter. Chicken and the Egg yet again.
monkeyballs
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At the moment I'm 24...so GH is on the horizon. As for IGF-1 and Slin, both are on the banned substance list, but how the hell could they test for those if they can't test for GH. As for a test on GH...I wouldn't be suprised if they have one by the next olympics, and I also wouldn't be suprised to see an undetectable version of GH soon thereafter. Chicken and the Egg yet again.
monkeyballs
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not sure why there are two posts...
40butpumpin
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Great thread, definitely deserves a bump. Great info guys, thanks!
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slobberknocker
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winny is great for speed and strength. great for most athletes.. might dry the joints a bit but should be managable
with fina its great as well i would always strip the ester and run it as a susp to get even less detection time as well
slin is pretty good to.. can really help get the glycogen stores up and help recovery and strength
with fina its great as well i would always strip the ester and run it as a susp to get even less detection time as well
slin is pretty good to.. can really help get the glycogen stores up and help recovery and strength
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slobberknocker
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Judo Tom said:
I'm staying away from tren until I hear more concrete information about the detection time. Even without the acetate ester, I'm still not 100% sure how long the tren metabolites would hang around in your system.
little chris
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LET'S KEEP THIS THREAD GOING GUYS.
I like a more athletic approach to AAS. Shit lets face it, some athletes could be BB's.
I like a more athletic approach to AAS. Shit lets face it, some athletes could be BB's.
GateKeeper
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Man Child,
Great post, I can't believe it started over a year ago, what do you like to do for post-cycle recovery. Clomid alone, or clomid and hcg and just recently I've run across hcg and nolvadex. Keeping in mind that if test was used and anti-e is run through post cycle. Looking for the best post cycle to get my levels back on track for rugby season.
Great post, I can't believe it started over a year ago, what do you like to do for post-cycle recovery. Clomid alone, or clomid and hcg and just recently I've run across hcg and nolvadex. Keeping in mind that if test was used and anti-e is run through post cycle. Looking for the best post cycle to get my levels back on track for rugby season.
REDMACHINE
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What about citrimax and insulin?
charliesway
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hey nautica cool web sight , that spotinjection sight is dope , thanx keep it broskee
Sleekphysique
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correction
The steroid that you are mistakenly refering to as Turinabol that Ben Johnson used was in fact a drug called MIOTOLAN(FURAZABOL) it is a DHT derived drug and is used for treating cholesterol in Japan ,it cleared the system very quickley and at the time there wasnt a metabolite profile for it in the IOC machhine that runs the tests,because the drug was unknown to exist.When johnson appeared before the various courts/committees he disclosed most of the information.If you remember one of the olympics or world games when all the chinese womans swimmers were winning everything then a few events after they failed the doping tests,well guess what,the IOC added FURAZABOL to the banned list,they all failed the drug test.
Now Ben Johnson knew how to take drugs if u readthe book his coach wrote i think it was called SPEED TRAP,he tells all.
Now Carl Lewis and Ben Johnson were the greatest rivals of all time.Ben,well built,muscular powerfull(steroids)Carl,lean,athletic(growth hormone).When Johnson beat Lewis,Lewis was in disbelief,he knew Johnson was on,but Lewis who never failed a drug test knew the only way he ould be beaten was by someone who was juicing.IMO lewis was taking growth and as his recent health suggests that a lot of his problems are synonymous with chronic hGH use.FLO JO was another example,Johnsons coach later speculated that the drug test was rigged,his reason...when the machine in which is used to analyse the samples is callibrated,they use stanolozol ,xmg amount of stanolozol is fed in and if the same amount is detected the machine is callibrated properly.Now when stanolozol is metabolised by the body the result is a substance called 1 hydroxy stanolozol but johnsons test came out as just stanolozol,his coach later theorised that the lab technicians spiked Johnsons sample with the stanolozol used to calibrate the machine as this would be a drug they would have on hand.Nobody expected Johnson a canadian to beat Lewis USA a lot of money would have been lost that day,until Lewis was awarded the GOLD due to Johnson being stripped.Makes you wonder doesnt it
The steroid that you are mistakenly refering to as Turinabol that Ben Johnson used was in fact a drug called MIOTOLAN(FURAZABOL) it is a DHT derived drug and is used for treating cholesterol in Japan ,it cleared the system very quickley and at the time there wasnt a metabolite profile for it in the IOC machhine that runs the tests,because the drug was unknown to exist.When johnson appeared before the various courts/committees he disclosed most of the information.If you remember one of the olympics or world games when all the chinese womans swimmers were winning everything then a few events after they failed the doping tests,well guess what,the IOC added FURAZABOL to the banned list,they all failed the drug test.
Now Ben Johnson knew how to take drugs if u readthe book his coach wrote i think it was called SPEED TRAP,he tells all.
Now Carl Lewis and Ben Johnson were the greatest rivals of all time.Ben,well built,muscular powerfull(steroids)Carl,lean,athletic(growth hormone).When Johnson beat Lewis,Lewis was in disbelief,he knew Johnson was on,but Lewis who never failed a drug test knew the only way he ould be beaten was by someone who was juicing.IMO lewis was taking growth and as his recent health suggests that a lot of his problems are synonymous with chronic hGH use.FLO JO was another example,Johnsons coach later speculated that the drug test was rigged,his reason...when the machine in which is used to analyse the samples is callibrated,they use stanolozol ,xmg amount of stanolozol is fed in and if the same amount is detected the machine is callibrated properly.Now when stanolozol is metabolised by the body the result is a substance called 1 hydroxy stanolozol but johnsons test came out as just stanolozol,his coach later theorised that the lab technicians spiked Johnsons sample with the stanolozol used to calibrate the machine as this would be a drug they would have on hand.Nobody expected Johnson a canadian to beat Lewis USA a lot of money would have been lost that day,until Lewis was awarded the GOLD due to Johnson being stripped.Makes you wonder doesnt it
HamsterHider
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what is the name of the prohormone again that can convert to deca in the body? if someone used deca at 400 mgs a week for 10 weeks and was tested 2 months later would the prohormone excuse work?
hey,
One of the most usefull thing we could see on this thread is posts from people who have actually passed drug tests. When did you pass the test (more recent tests are harder to beat), who tested you (i.o.c. being the gold standard). How much or what were you on and how far out did you stop using. Also if anyone knows of recent advances in testing that is always usefull.
Later
One of the most usefull thing we could see on this thread is posts from people who have actually passed drug tests. When did you pass the test (more recent tests are harder to beat), who tested you (i.o.c. being the gold standard). How much or what were you on and how far out did you stop using. Also if anyone knows of recent advances in testing that is always usefull.
Later
BigLattimer
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BigLattimer
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A lot of people are forgetting that Fat levels effect detection time.. Thats what some track athletes who carry excess fat can fail on drugs like anavar, or test-prop long after the normal detection times.. Anyone have any information on this...
OK,
Here is what I've found on trenbolone and it's metabolites.
Trenbolone Acetate is hydrolyzed to Trenbolone-17B, which is oxidized to Trendion (TbO), which is reduced to TbOH-17alpha There are 10 metabolites of TbOH.
So all of this has to get to a level that is undetectable. Does anyone know anything about this or have any personal experience they can help with?
Panthro
Here is what I've found on trenbolone and it's metabolites.
Trenbolone Acetate is hydrolyzed to Trenbolone-17B, which is oxidized to Trendion (TbO), which is reduced to TbOH-17alpha There are 10 metabolites of TbOH.
So all of this has to get to a level that is undetectable. Does anyone know anything about this or have any personal experience they can help with?
Panthro
Tren is a tested for substance.
If ANY steroid is found in urine it either identifies as a banned substance (and you get a ban) or it shows as an unidentified steroid.
This holds true for any substance.This is how they have banned athletes for bromantan-they knew they had taken something but they were not sure excactly what.
They can then demand more tests or ban you on the spot due to this "all related substances" shitty loophole they have left.
This is what happened with Kelly White and modafinil recently-they banned her for a drug that was not on the list.
I am a tested athlete myself and would like to know real life dependable facts on known substances such as dbol,winny,anavar etc.Finding furazabol,OT ,tren susp would be tricky and not always dependable.
So how long till you clear from
10mg/day (2 times from 5mg) of
winny
anavar
dbol ????
How long till i clear from 5000IU of HCG (dramatic testosterone elevation) ?
Is unesterifying test enanthate possible and making a suspension out of it for those that can find enanthate but not suspension ?
this is the greatest thread guys,keep it up !
If ANY steroid is found in urine it either identifies as a banned substance (and you get a ban) or it shows as an unidentified steroid.
This holds true for any substance.This is how they have banned athletes for bromantan-they knew they had taken something but they were not sure excactly what.
They can then demand more tests or ban you on the spot due to this "all related substances" shitty loophole they have left.
This is what happened with Kelly White and modafinil recently-they banned her for a drug that was not on the list.
I am a tested athlete myself and would like to know real life dependable facts on known substances such as dbol,winny,anavar etc.Finding furazabol,OT ,tren susp would be tricky and not always dependable.
So how long till you clear from
10mg/day (2 times from 5mg) of
winny
anavar
dbol ????
How long till i clear from 5000IU of HCG (dramatic testosterone elevation) ?
Is unesterifying test enanthate possible and making a suspension out of it for those that can find enanthate but not suspension ?
this is the greatest thread guys,keep it up !
