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Dad's message: Steroids can kill
In light of his son’s suicide after using the illegal drug, he’s ready to give a congressional hearing a real earful


BY JOHN JEANSONNE
STAFF WRITER

March 16, 2005


Don Hooton intends to take Major League Baseball to task for setting a "terrible example" when he testifies at tomorrow's congressional hearings on steroid use, an example he believes led to the 2003 suicide of his 17-year-old son.

Taylor Hooton was a pitcher for Plano High School, near Dallas, whose experiment with steroids apparently was an attempt to mimic professional stars' urge to build strength and size. He experienced bouts of anger and depression and eventually hanged himself in his bedroom.

His death, one of three suicides by young athletes linked by their parents to steroid use since 2002, shocked his parents into starting the Taylor Hooton Foundation to raise awareness of steroids, particularly among parents and coaches.

Don Hooton will appear before the House Government Reform Committee, which has demanded the presence of baseball's top executives and some marquee players. The Yankees' Jason Giambi was excused from testifying because of his involvement in the ongoing federal investigation into illegal steroid distribution, but current and former sluggers Mark McGwire and Sammy Sosa, commissioner Bud Selig and union chief Donald Fehr have been called. Former player Jose Canseco, who recently released a tell-all book on the subject, also will testify.

When Don Hooton's turn comes, "I'm going to say, 'Guys, I don't care if you want to be role models or not. Get used to it. Kids all over America look up to you,'" he said.

"As a parent, it's difficult enough to raise kids without having to compete with idols that are setting an example that threatens their health and is felonious behavior. It's cheating. It goes to the very moral fiber of what we're trying to teach our kids."

Speaking by telephone yesterday from his Texas office as marketing executive for Hewlett-Packard, Hooton said, "Somebody's got to dress these guys down."

Hooton created the foundation following a discussion with Dr. Gary Wadler, the Manhasset-based expert and member of the World Anti-Doping Agency, who told him, "It may sound awful, but in many ways your son's message from the grave can be more powerful than any current user; it could have enormous impact."

The foundation has connected with parents of two other suicide victims, both from the San Francisco Bay area, college baseball player Rob Garibaldi, 24, and junior college football player Efrain Marrero, 19. Wadler and the Garibaldis will testify tomorrow, and the Marreros plan to attend.

"We didn't pick this fight," Hooton said. "But they want my opinion, and guess what they're going to get."

To Hooton, the punishment baseball proposes for a first positive steroid test, a 10-day suspension, "is a joke. It sends one more message to the kids that they're not taking this thing seriously."

The players union's long-standing opposition to testing as a privacy issue, he said, is "bull." Hooton believes there should be testing down to the junior high level because "without it, we'll never know how many kids are using. And the positive side to testing is, for the good kids, it's all they need as an excuse to say no."

Observations that tomorrow's hearings will be nothing more than a media circus are rejected by Hooton.

"You've got around a million kids upstairs in their bedrooms injecting themselves with anabolic steroids," he said. "We need to get that clearly sighted on the radar screen."

To make his arguments, he said, "I've got five minutes. They're going to have to stop me."
 
amazing how these deaths are nerer the falt of the morons who die....parents need to blame them selves not the juice...


BIC
 
if i take a shot of deca a week could i die?
stupid people parents should be in their kids life talk to them not blame the juice
 
Key phrase in that was "linked by their parents". I'm still waiting for Keith Richards to be subpoenaed if some kid od's on heroin.
 
I hate reading shit like this, it's such propoganda. Anything abused can kill, fuck you can die from drinking to much water. Idiot's will always find a way to leave this earth a little earlier. Yeah I feel bad the kid died but blaming steroids is ridiculous.
 
you can also die in a car crash. jesus
 
weird..... i could have sworn the article said suicide. i don't think the juice took crawled out of his drawer and tied a rope around his neck. It sounds harsh and it's a sad story for the dad, but his kid clealry had more problems then taking gear to be a better ball player.
if any of the chemicals he injected cuased depression, then he is to blame for not knowing the side effect of what he is injecting into his ass. Sorry, but 17 is a young man...not a boy. it would be different if this story was about a 11 year old who didn't have the resources to do the research. at 17, i was old enough to log onto EF and get the necessary advice and guidance of the vets here.
 
How many people do cigarettes kill a year? We know for a fact that smoking kills but yet it is still legal. They can't prove shit about steroids killing anyone but its illegal! I don't get it!
 
falcyou said:
weird..... i could have sworn the article said suicide. i don't think the juice took crawled out of his drawer and tied a rope around his neck. It sounds harsh and it's a sad story for the dad, but his kid clealry had more problems then taking gear to be a better ball player.
if any of the chemicals he injected cuased depression, then he is to blame for not knowing the side effect of what he is injecting into his ass. Sorry, but 17 is a young man...not a boy. it would be different if this story was about a 11 year old who didn't have the resources to do the research. at 17, i was old enough to log onto EF and get the necessary advice and guidance of the vets here.

Exactly - SUICIDE - means he took his own life. Nobody killed him, and juice didn't kill him; he killed himself. People always want to project the blame somewhere else. Studies have shown that people are born with genetic suicidal tendencies; probably would of killed himself without the juice.
 
They kill 40,000 people a year. It's simple. People just do not understand. They are very ignorant on the subject and listen to the media which is stupid. Look at the facts before your start spouting off shit from the mouth is what i tell these ignorant motherfuckers.

peach0341 said:
How many people do cigarettes kill a year? We know for a fact that smoking kills but yet it is still legal. They can't prove shit about steroids killing anyone but its illegal! I don't get it!
 
Bunch BS I heard this same story and funny thing is he was having trouble with his parents!!!! way before he started AAS so parents should blame themselves no their kids!!!. Who here has gotten depressed from using Gear not me!!! I do feel like a bitch when I'm clomid though sentive and all but not to kill myself
 
Its pretty hard to blame your own child. One day the parent will realize it was his kids fault. Its nothing out of the normal....the father still has not completed the basic 5 stages of death. Looks to me like he is still in denial.
 
i agree with every single comment posted on this thread. its still a terrible thing for a 17 year old to take his own life.
 
krishna said:
Exactly - SUICIDE - means he took his own life. Nobody killed him, and juice didn't kill him; he killed himself. People always want to project the blame somewhere else. Studies have shown that people are born with genetic suicidal tendencies; probably would of killed himself without the juice.


if this guy was juicing there's a good chance he had access to clomid, that is the ONLY link that i can imagine would lead a "juicer" to take his life, and still does not in any way corelate to : "steroids kill"
 
Even from a medical research perspective, there is no possible way to show a cause and effect relationship here.
 
KA-BAR said:
They kill 40,000 people a year. It's simple. People just do not understand. They are very ignorant on the subject and listen to the media which is stupid. Look at the facts before your start spouting off shit from the mouth is what i tell these ignorant motherfuckers.


The numbers are much higher than that. Actually about 4,000,000 people die per year world wide.
 
god damn it he had troubles in the 1st place... do they ever think of that?
 
Dude...steroids didn't kill that boy. He killed himself. Now if we talk about what can kill you, an aspirin in fact, can kill you.
 
gotta put yourself in the dad's shoes. he is probably out of mind with grief and despair and looking for a way to deal with it.

anyone who has ever experienced the grief of the death of a family member...it can be crushing. especially a child. kinda breaks my heart hearing this story.

i agree with above posts that he had issues to begin with. i wonder if he started really getting depressed after ending a cycle and was crashing since he never heard of PCT.
 
Maybe they should stop blaming steroids for these teen suicides and actually take a close look at predisposing factors such as parenting, social functionality, and inclinations for depression BEFORE these kids ever get to the breaking point. Mothers and fathers are very quick to blame something or someone else for their own shortcomings as parents, which usually leads to these kinds of scenarios. I think this problem will only get worse at the moment.
 
genarr3 said:
It's much easier for parents to blame steroids for their child's suicide then something they might have done.

True. Not sayin it was the juice, but it may not have been the parents though as well.
 
though this article is sadly biased, it is true that many drugs, including steroids can aggravate depression (though steroids can also help with depression- really depends on the person, the condition and gear used)... so there may be some sliver of truth to the assertion that steroids were a FACTOR in his suicide.

However, wholely agree that the assertions made herein are innapropriate and at times quite ignorant.
 
another perfect example why young people should NOT use steroids. It's not only the physical side-effects, it's because steroids are very tough psychologically on younger people. I know it from my own experience, aspecially when you find out that steroids won't do the miracle media has claimed it will. I feel bad for those parents, but it's under their responsibility to make sure that kids don't use or have acces to steroids even if it's not easy
 
If there were warning labels on the packages, do you think that would help? It seems to for cigarettes/alcohol, don't you think?

Are all teen suicides connected to steroids? I'll bet there are issues that are more common to teen suicide than steroids. What do you think? I'll even bet this kid had common issues with other teen suicides not relating to steroids. What do you think?

I'll bet there is a more common denominator.
 
BIC said:
amazing how these deaths are nerer the falt of the morons who die....parents need to blame them selves not the juice...


BIC
Fuckinx'actly! Watch your kids people. Their child was obviously depressed and they were probably to busy to notice. Its like parents blaming Ozzy or Judis Preist for there kids killing themselves. Darwinism.

Quadsweep
 
We live right next to Plano, TX (next city over). It's a wealthy affluent suburb of Dallas. Teen suicides are nothing new there (this article linked teen suicides to steriod use) There was a herione induced suicide and overdose epidemic there a few years back in the local High School. Basically, mommy and daddy have lots of money but their progeny are all empty inside.

It's a family issue not a steriod issue. Sad but true.. Dad's in denial right now, may never move past it.
 
v shape said:
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Dad's message: Steroids can kill
In light of his son’s suicide after using the illegal drug, he’s ready to give a congressional hearing a real earful


BY JOHN JEANSONNE
STAFF WRITER

March 16, 2005


Don Hooton intends to take Major League Baseball to task for setting a "terrible example" when he testifies at tomorrow's congressional hearings on steroid use, an example he believes led to the 2003 suicide of his 17-year-old son.

Taylor Hooton was a pitcher for Plano High School, near Dallas, whose experiment with steroids apparently was an attempt to mimic professional stars' urge to build strength and size. He experienced bouts of anger and depression and eventually hanged himself in his bedroom.

His death, one of three suicides by young athletes linked by their parents to steroid use since 2002, shocked his parents into starting the Taylor Hooton Foundation to raise awareness of steroids, particularly among parents and coaches.

Don Hooton will appear before the House Government Reform Committee, which has demanded the presence of baseball's top executives and some marquee players. The Yankees' Jason Giambi was excused from testifying because of his involvement in the ongoing federal investigation into illegal steroid distribution, but current and former sluggers Mark McGwire and Sammy Sosa, commissioner Bud Selig and union chief Donald Fehr have been called. Former player Jose Canseco, who recently released a tell-all book on the subject, also will testify.

When Don Hooton's turn comes, "I'm going to say, 'Guys, I don't care if you want to be role models or not. Get used to it. Kids all over America look up to you,'" he said.

"As a parent, it's difficult enough to raise kids without having to compete with idols that are setting an example that threatens their health and is felonious behavior. It's cheating. It goes to the very moral fiber of what we're trying to teach our kids."

Speaking by telephone yesterday from his Texas office as marketing executive for Hewlett-Packard, Hooton said, "Somebody's got to dress these guys down."

Hooton created the foundation following a discussion with Dr. Gary Wadler, the Manhasset-based expert and member of the World Anti-Doping Agency, who told him, "It may sound awful, but in many ways your son's message from the grave can be more powerful than any current user; it could have enormous impact."

The foundation has connected with parents of two other suicide victims, both from the San Francisco Bay area, college baseball player Rob Garibaldi, 24, and junior college football player Efrain Marrero, 19. Wadler and the Garibaldis will testify tomorrow, and the Marreros plan to attend.

"We didn't pick this fight," Hooton said. "But they want my opinion, and guess what they're going to get."

To Hooton, the punishment baseball proposes for a first positive steroid test, a 10-day suspension, "is a joke. It sends one more message to the kids that they're not taking this thing seriously."

The players union's long-standing opposition to testing as a privacy issue, he said, is "bull." Hooton believes there should be testing down to the junior high level because "without it, we'll never know how many kids are using. And the positive side to testing is, for the good kids, it's all they need as an excuse to say no."

Observations that tomorrow's hearings will be nothing more than a media circus are rejected by Hooton.

"You've got around a million kids upstairs in their bedrooms injecting themselves with anabolic steroids," he said. "We need to get that clearly sighted on the radar screen."

To make his arguments, he said, "I've got five minutes. They're going to have to stop me."


this says it all, the parents need something to blame so they blame the juice
 
Huh? You would think good parenting would have helped their son curb the use of illegal drugs...
I guess if you don't notice you slim son packing on muscle real fast you could miss a lot of things...
 
I have a red bike at home. Who gives a frog's fat ass about this whole baseball thing. If MLB didn't want these "evil" drugs in their sport, then there should have been a testing program for it - just like other sports. MLB, or Congress, need not to point the finger at the players, but the finger should be pointed at themselves for letting it get to this point.
 
I wonder if I buy a hammer at Sears and smash my balls repeatedly until they are pulverized, can I blame Sears for giving me this dangerous item? I might have a legal case.

Basically, all these anecdotal stories are about morons who were given a tool and misused it.
 
ass_face said:
I wonder if I buy a hammer at Sears and smash my balls repeatedly until they are pulverized, can I blame Sears for giving me this dangerous item? I might have a legal case.

Basically, all these anecdotal stories are about morons who were given a tool and misused it.
I agree with that one...LOL.
 
ass_face said:
I wonder if I buy a hammer at Sears and smash my balls repeatedly until they are pulverized, can I blame Sears for giving me this dangerous item? I might have a legal case.

Basically, all these anecdotal stories are about morons who were given a tool and misused it.


People like Mayor Daley and our moronic Gov. Rod Blagojevich ( IL) have tried to turn the issue away from lockin gup fellons and criminals involved in murders, shootings, rapes etc. by shifting the blaem on guns. Instead of prosecuting these felons they have decided to sue the gun manufacturers because fellons comited their crimes using guns (they aquired illegaly). Fortunatelly the Illinois Supreme Court Struck down their case and called it "a waste of taxpayer money and a shammfull display of politics"

Hmm..if i kill someone with a pillow does that mean we should confiscate pillows?
 
PolfaJelfa said:
People like Mayor Daley and our moronic Gov. Rod Blagojevich ( IL) have tried to turn the issue away from lockin gup fellons and criminals involved in murders, shootings, rapes etc. by shifting the blaem on guns. Instead of prosecuting these felons they have decided to sue the gun manufacturers because fellons comited their crimes using guns (they aquired illegaly). Fortunatelly the Illinois Supreme Court Struck down their case and called it "a waste of taxpayer money and a shammfull display of politics"

Hmm..if i kill someone with a pillow does that mean we should confiscate pillows?
These parents need to look in the mirror as well as open their eyes to the real problem. Both Tyler Hooten and Rob Garibaldi were stand-out athletes. They were NOT top prospects. In their own minds (and their parents) they were on the verge of greatness. What happened with both of these guys (espcially with Garibaldi) was that they were big fish in small ponds. Their opinion of themselves was too high. When they finally realized they were just a little shy of the talent required to get to the pro level they decided to sauce up to get them "over the hump". When it didn't work out that way, it was just too much for them to bear and when they realized their lifelong dream (theirs AND their parents) was not going to happen they just lost it. They felt like they did everything they could and still fell short. They felt like failures. That is what caused the depression that convinced them to end their lives. Now for the parents, how much pressure did they put on their kids to perform and excel? I coach baseball and I know how much pressure my top players are under by their parents. The parents in my opinion had WAY more to do with these guys juicing than Mark MacGuire or Barry Bonds did.
 
I was watching this this morning at 6am while doing my cardio. It kills me. The big hype on MLB using steroids takes a turn and all the sudden it's about a growing population of teens who juice.

Stick to the topic at hand. Don't throw something in just for shock factor. If you are focusing on teen focus on teens don't use a completley unrelated aspect of suplement use to drill home a problem that exists with MLB players.

This is just stupid. I agree with the parenting aspect and I agree that kids that yound sure as hell shouldn't be touching gear. But don't go off into left field trying to develpe some shock factor so you can "convince" Joe Blow public that Steroids are bad.

man... the media just needs to Fuck off!
 
It's natural to want an answer, and to question why.

So it is commonly done, something or someone is blamed. The argument against guns or weed or anything.

Steroids kill people by making them depressed and committing suicide.

Alcohol kills people by making them drive drunk.

Guns kill people.

You see, we have an object followed by an action. This is common for people to want to do.

Don Hooton: Are steroids healthy? Well, not really, but they didn't kill your son. Sorry it happened. Making steroids illegal hasn't changed anything now, has it? You're actions make things worse, not better. It makes it OK to blame. OK to shirk responsibility.

"[Taylor] flew into rages, then became tearfully apologetic. He took several hundred dollars from his parents' bank account without permission. He would pound the floor with his fists in anger. Once, he punched a wall and injured a knuckle on his pitching hand."

Sounds a teenager. One that doesn't take steroids, though :coffee:
 
Just saw this shit on another site...

http://www.taylorhooton.org/

Its fucked up that the kid killed himself, but they blame the wrong reasons. There is no reason to start a propaganda website with bullshit facts. These people need to educate themselves.
 
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v shape said:
Just saw this shit on another site...

http://www.taylorhooton.org/

Its fucked up that the kid killed himself, but they blame the wrong reasons. There is no reason to start a propaganda website with bullshit facts. These people need to educate themselves.


Notice they print "steroid abuse". But talk about how bad steroids are.
 
shouldnt blame steroids for the kids death, yeah its sad he died, but i dont think there is a need to cause such a delima, the kid had to have some other kind of problem, they only push it that far because there is no taxes on roids. frigging system i tell ya.
 
some good stuff on this thread

just blame something else then the drugs.

good point someone made about parents causing him to juice more then sosa did. they put an awful lot of pressure on them
 
as genrar once put it ... "Natural selection at work"

Harsh but true
 
v shape said:
"You've got around a million kids upstairs in their bedrooms injecting themselves with anabolic steroids," he said. "We need to get that clearly sighted on the radar screen."


Yeah and 10 million kids are swigging shots of tequila every day, but hey I guess because it's not illegal, than it's not a problem!!!!
 
AlwaysOn said:
Who cares as long as WE know the truth about steroids?


who cares what the public thinks?



the more anabolics are in the public eye. harder the pentlies will be for us. steroids in baseball screwed it up for us in the bbing community
 
PolfaJelfa said:
as genrar once put it ... "Natural selection at work"

Harsh but true

cold, cold, but an element of truth to it. ya gotta be strong and tough in this world. doesn't get any easier as you get older. only MORE competitive.
 
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