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Steroids and Heart problems
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[email protected]
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I am curious about GH use since he has heart problems. I know heavy GH use can cause your internal organs to grow. Wouldn't this lead to a problem for him?
[email protected] said:
Personally, I am not sure how accurately GH corresponds with cardiomegaly such as pathological ventricular hypertrophy.
In pathological ventricular hypertrophy the ventricular compliance is decreased (the ventricle is stiffer), therefore, ventricular end-diastolic pressure (EDP) is higher at any given end-diastolic volume (EDV). Alternatively, at a given EDP, a less compliant ventricle has a smaller EDV (filling will be impaired). Besides hypertrophy, if ventricular relaxation is impaired (as occurs in some forms of heart failure), the effective ventricular compliance is also reduced (because of residual active tension) and ventricular filling impaired.
geoboy said:
The primary cause of ventricular hypertrophy in those studeis is due to exercise. Androgens alone do not cause that. For example, taking AAS by itself does not induce muscle growth without the stimulus provided by exercise. In addition, studies have also shown that AAS users displayed increased ventricular hypertrophy versus non users. Training volume and intenstiy would more than likely increase with AAS. Therefore, the ventricle would have to adapt to the increased stress.
Ventricular hypertrophy is a normal physiological adaptation to exercise training that enables the ventricle to enhance its pumping capacity due to increased stress. This type of physiologic hypertrophy is reversible and non pathological.
The only way I can see AAS being associated with cardiac problems is primarily due to chronic hypertension (high blood preassure) and it's negative impact on the lipid profile from extended periods of usage which cand lead to coronary artery disease.
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Breeze
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Rossatron said:
Just be careful and see a doc regularly- a good friend of mine just had a massive heart attack and was lucky to live, now he's needing a transplant. He is only 33 and had no warning whatsoever. The docs said he had a bad valve that no one knew he had. He took AS for years and also partied a little too much, but he also ate good and did plenty of cardio. It's quite possible that he could have had the attack anyway, but the AS and the night life probably didn't help. Some guys think that they are invincible- at least you are aware of your problem.
There are so many holes in those studies that they are worthless. Even the few studies that did use a non-AS control used users that took no anti-e's when they cycled so their blood pressure due to excess estrogen bloat was driven much higher than the people on this board. There are no studies done on people who cycle properly. The "athletes heart" effect can happen to any strength athlete with or without AS. Short term flucuations in Lipids have never been shown to have any effect on long term heart health so that's a moot point.
To address rossatron, there are no good and bad forms of AS for your situation. It's all about dosing and proper cycling ancillaries. Many men with your condition are using steroids successfully every day without incident. The few that I know, including a Mod on my board have not had any worsening of their condition from using steroids. But that's them, not you, so keep getting it checked if you decide to use steroids.
To address rossatron, there are no good and bad forms of AS for your situation. It's all about dosing and proper cycling ancillaries. Many men with your condition are using steroids successfully every day without incident. The few that I know, including a Mod on my board have not had any worsening of their condition from using steroids. But that's them, not you, so keep getting it checked if you decide to use steroids.
bigmusclehead
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hey bro how did you find out you had a prolapse problem?what are the causes,is it genetic ?Rossatron said:
bigmusclehead said:
It's genetic yeah, I have a variant of Marfan Syndrome a very mild case though. My dad had a Heart attack in his 50's they examined him, found out he had it and sent me and my brother for scans, and found out we had it. None of us have any other symptoms though (besides the MVP) and you wouldn't know unless we told you.
solidspine
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I have had mitral valve prolapse for over 15 years, and gear has never affect my heart.
