Started cycle

[missionpossible]

Started my 1st cycle yesterday
ED:
Anavar 30mg 8 wks
TBol 40mg wks 1-4
Proviron 25 mg 8 wks
Androil 280 mg wks 4-8
PCT:
Nolva
Clomid

Also taking Tylers, xtra milk thistle, cranberry xtract and LiverAid

Weight: now 180, about 12-13% bf
age: closer to 50 than 40

I'll keep a history here to let everyone know how it's going!

 

[ruggermu]

I feel sorry for your liver, but either way Good Luck Bro!

 

[ElMatador]

you will lose your time only with andriol

 

[missionpossible]

Day three, actually feeling a little tired, from gear? I've been taking the Proviron and 10 mg each of var and tbol in the morning and then 10mg of var and tbol 3 more times split every 4 hours. A little lower back ache also, but other than that no other changes yet.

 

[missionpossible]

Anybody out there?

How bout this being tired crap guys, still feeling tired...

Day four, up three pounds already.

Really have to work hard on the food, this gear seems to make me not very hungry feeling, a little nauseated actually.

 

[krishna]

Don't you have anything else you can use for the last 4 weeks besides andriol? That stuff is worthless bro.

 

[Ulter]

That's not a cycle. But good luck with what you're taking.

 

[missionpossible]

That's not a cycle. But good luck with what you're taking.

??? This is a rather useless response...

I dont know how many dbol and anavar "cycles" I've seen listed here, probaby more than all the others, lol!

 

[silverbackn]

Anybody out there?

How bout this being tired crap guys, still feeling tired...

Day four, up three pounds already.

Really have to work hard on the food, this gear seems to make me not very hungry feeling, a little nauseated actually.

The nausea may be attributed to liver toxicity as you are bombing the shit out of it. I hope I'm wrong.

 

[krishna]

Gotta admit that this is a wierd 1st cycle.

 

[missionpossible]

Don't you have anything else you can use for the last 4 weeks besides andriol? That stuff is worthless bro.

Hey krishna,

thanks for the response bro. Thot I'd give the oil a try for the last 4, I've read some good info on it and some really do get a nice kick outta it, without the liver tox too. Its worth a try for this run. We'll try something new the next time.

 

[silverbackn]

That's not a cycle. But good luck with what you're taking.

Agreed! It's poorly designed and innefficient at best. Running 500mg's of test for 10-12 weeks would be much more effective.

 

[missionpossible]

The nausea may be attributed to liver toxicity as you are bombing the shit out of it. I hope I'm wrong.

humm, well, doubtful as the slight nausea comes on not too soon after the ingestion of the var/tbol and goes away then. It has done this since the first day right after the first dose. But hey, thanks for answering bro!

 

[silverbackn]

humm, well, doubtful as the slight nausea comes on not too soon after the ingestion of the var/tbol and goes away then. It has done this since the first day right after the first dose. But hey, thanks for answering bro!

I hope all goes well!

 

[ruggermu]

humm, well, doubtful as the slight nausea comes on not too soon after the ingestion of the var/tbol and goes away then. It has done this since the first day right after the first dose. But hey, thanks for answering bro!

Well in that case I would make sure you are taking all your orals with food. DBol upset my stomach if I didn't take it with food. And get your Liver checked often. Good Luck

 

[krishna]

Just curious what reasoning you were using when choosing this cycle? Keep us posted on your results.

 

[missionpossible]

I have read a few cycles with dbol and anavar/androil with good results and no bad results on the liver tests after a few months. The Proviron I have read has good syergistic sp? effects, but maybe I should pull it out of the mix until the tbol is over.

 

[Stainless_Steel]

I agree with silverbackn. I think you probably should have just run test alone for first cycle. But hey the choice of what you put into your body is up to you. I wish you luck on your cycle and keep us posted on results.

 

[krishna]

Sounds like you're afraid of needles. It's a trade-off: Deal with needles, or trash you liver. I'd rather deal with needles for the most part.

 

[silverbackn]

Sounds like you're afraid of needles. It's a trade-off: Deal with needles, or trash you liver. I'd rather deal with needles for the most part.

Yep! Not only that, how the hell will you know what you respond to when you are running that many different things without ever having used them with maybe just one other compound? Do you plan on cycling like this forever? You're wasting a lot of money and effort.

 

[wayneboard1]

Yep! Not only that, how the hell will you know what you respond to when you are running that many different things without ever having used them with maybe just one other compound? Do you plan on cycling like this forever? You're wasting a lot of money and effort.

This is exactly what I was thinking. Lots and lots of stuff when everything I ever read or was told was KISS. (Keep It Simple Stupid) There seems to be just too much stuff there, but whatever, your choice and it looks as though you are not going to stop so good luck with whatever your goals are.

 

[missionpossible]

Well, not afraid of needles. I've had alot of different experiences in my life, some of which should have left me with swiss cheese for a liver given the length of abuse, but my values all test good and I've lived a clean life for many years now. I have read quite a bit and it doesnt seem as though this gear for an 8 week cycle should be as bad as the neighboorhood crew drinkin a 12 pak every night for 40 years....

 

[silverbackn]

Well, not afraid of needles. I've had alot of different experiences in my life, some of which should have left me with swiss cheese for a liver given the length of abuse, but my values all test good and I've lived a clean life for many years now. I have read quite a bit and it doesnt seem as though this gear for an 8 week cycle should be as bad as the neighboorhood crew drinkin a 12 pak every night for 40 years....

It has nothing to do with it not being as bad as a bunch of alcoholics, it has to do with inefficiency. If you aren't afraid of needles then why the hell are you using a ton of half-ass orals?

 

[wayneboard1]

It has nothing to do with it not being as bad as a bunch of alcoholics, it has to do with inefficiency. If you aren't afraid of needles then why the hell are you using a ton of half-ass orals?

Yeah, it may look like you are getting bashed here, but I can tell you the guys on here want to help you get the right cycle. I am not near as experienced at say silverbackn here but I can even tell thats not a wise move, especially for a first cycle. I would encourage you to stop it, and look at other more basic choices.

 

[silverbackn]

Yeah, it may look like you are getting bashed here, but I can tell you the guys on here want to help you get the right cycle. I am not near as experienced at say silverbackn here but I can even tell thats not a wise move, especially for a first cycle. I would encourage you to stop it, and look at other more basic choices.

Yep, there is no flame intended. I just believe there are much better options than what you are doing that will yield better gains and be healthier.

 

[missionpossible]

So, with the products at hand do you have any recommends or just more anecdotal blathering?

Sorry, but in other many other threads on this boards there are guys running 80-100mg of one oral or two and it seems to be supported as long as its stacked with a injectable compound? Stack 80 mg of only orals and your flamed to death...give me a break, you guys dont make any sense!

later

 

[missionpossible]

It has nothing to do with it not being as bad as a bunch of alcoholics, it has to do with inefficiency. If you aren't afraid of needles then why the hell are you using a ton of half-ass orals?

Dude, seriously, you dont think this kinda crap response is a flame? lol!

 

[silverbackn]

Dude, seriously, you dont think this kinda crap response is a flame? lol!

A flame would be listen you stupid fucking arrogant newbie you are absolutely clueless about what you are doing and you have no business touching a drug. No, it isn't supported to stack a ton of orals by anyone, with injectables or not. Go buy some more cell-tech and nitro-tech and leave us the fuck alone.

 

[ruggermu]

Dude, seriously, you dont think this kinda crap response is a flame? lol!

Bro, your takin this wrong. Silver has experience, he's simply trying to point you in a direction that will be effective. Same with all the Bro's on here, your gonna have to be a little more open to critisism if you want to gain anything from others on here.

 

[wayneboard1]

Dude, seriously, you dont think this kinda crap response is a flame? lol!

Why did you even bother posting if you already have all the answers? You made a post stating you started your first cycle and then asking for information/help whatever. Don't get pissed off if you don't like the information/help given! These guys (myself included) WERE trying to help you see you are not going about it in the wisest manner, but if you want to forge ahead down your chosen path then do it and stop posting. Guys like you really piss me off because you post then members who are MUCH wiser than you try and help and you get pissed. Did it ever dawn on you they might be trying to help you get the most out of your cycle? Did it ever dawn on you that they might be trying to help you protect your body? But nnnooooo you already have all the answers because your liver survived a 12 pack or whatever the hell you were saying there. You suffer from what I call "rectal-cranial inversion" and until you resolve that problem, you won't succeed anywhere near what you could. Besides if you had all the answers, you would have never joined EF to begin with.

 

[missionpossible]

Just a bunch of "dont do", not much help on what to pull out of the plan, am I correct? I guess just putting someone down is all a few of you know how to do, because that is the only "advice" you have given!

 

[wayneboard1]

Just a bunch of "dont do", not much help on what to pull out of the plan, am I correct? I guess just putting someone down is all a few of you know how to do, because that is the only "advice" you have given!

If you appeared to be open to advice, then you would get tons of help. Are you?

 

[missionpossible]

I'm always open to suggestions. I really dont see any purpose for getting nasty about differences of opinion though, that I dont understand. A discussion can and should look at both sides without someone starting to try to ruin the thread.

So, I did ask in one of the previous posts if there was any suggestions with what I have on hand? Just run var?

Thanks

 

[babbabuee]

mission, i'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that I think you can make gains from your cycle if diet/training/rest is in order. Maybe it won't be as much as a test cycle, but to each his own. As for Andriol... I've never heard a single person on this board say a good thing about it. with that said, i personally know of at least 3 people that have used it, sometimes by itself and had good results. And I bet most of the people bashing it haven't tried it. but you have to take it for what it's worth, it is a compound that apparently reacts different in everyone, so 160mg in me might be great and 240mg to you may not do a damn thing. let's also keep in mind that running andriol will take some stress off his liver since it's not 17aa, which is probably one of his reasons for using it. good luck to ya bro, and if you don't mind, pm me with your progress once you hit the andriol stage cause I've got some I'm thinking about throwin into my cycle (I got it for free so please don't flame me too guys.)

 

[missionpossible]

Thanks babbabuee. Your exactly right on why I chose to run Androil, with the reason as it is not being 17aa. It may or may not do anthing for me, but there are some that seem to have had good results with it combined with Anavar. I'll keep ya all posted. Oh yeah, I do need to work a little better on the rest part!

 

[silverbackn]

Run 500mg's of test and you will gain quantitatively over what you are using now.

 

[krishna]

Maybe it would be easier for us to help you if you answered a question for us: Why did you choose against injectable test?

 

[ryan04]

I've never heard anyone on this board suggest stacking 2 orals...ever. You'll put on some decent weight off that cycle, but just keep in mind that next time it would be better to run an injectable w/ an oral than stacking 2 orals. For you, I would say that after this cycle laying off the 17 aa's for a substantial period of time would be smart. Keep taking all your liver detox shit and you'll be allright. I don't even know what andriol is so I can't comment on that. Don't take what these guys say as insults, take them as constructive criticism. Also, oral turinabol is like d-bol in that it is only effective for a few weeks before it loses it's punch, so don't bother running it for more than 4 wks...save it for next time. Good luck!

 

[missionpossible]

Day 6 Monday, feeling good, not tired. Could be from more rest! Shoulders/ tri workout today, strength good, not up on the weight but pushed out a few more reps on all exercises today. Great pumps when done with w/o today. Pulled Proviron out of the cycle for now. I will add it back in after adding on the Androil in a few weeks, it should help with any bloat that may come from the oil and I am optimistic about the synergistic benifits that the Proviron may provide with the var/oil stack.