stanzonal question, help?

[stevemac]

If you're going to do a cycle of stanzonal is it good by itself, will you notice good results? or what's the best to cycle it with? I'm 24, 210 pounds, 5'11, I'm looking to tone up and get a little more cut, I'm not particulrly looking for a lot of mass just to get a better physique then I've been able to get so far.

Also, Is there any major difference in stanzonal oral or injections? I heard orals are tougher on the ol liver but anything else?

thanks guys.

 

[flex2win]

orals are tougher on the liver, remember that winny is a 17aa steroid so it survives the first pass through the liver, so you can drink it. i've also heard that you tend to lose more of your gains after using oral winny, maybe just an urban myth...

 

[kiloamp]

My personal feeling, after just doing a winny only cycle is that it is not effective by itself. Winny is probably best at that end of a cycle for leaning out but IMO not good for much else. I did a win only cycle more as an experiment to see if it is worth using in the future as I do get tested. After 4 weeks of a 6 week cycle, I had enough. My joints were sore, hair was falling out, and I really hadn't gained much strength. Maybe you'll have better success but report back to let us know how you're doing.

 

[variation]

what dosage did you use kiloamp?

 

[kiloamp]

what dosage did you use kiloamp?

I only was using 30 mg/day which really is a pretty low dose cycle. I always have responded well to AS so I usually don't need much to get a good results. I guess that's why I was so disappointed with winny. IMO a var only, primo only or test only with the appropiate ancillaries would be a better choice but that's me.

 

[variation]

hmm, cool.. but I wonder what your results would have been at 50-100mg/day.

 

[stevemac]

Hair falling out? Winny causes that too??? does it grow back??? I'm terrified of going bald!

 

[tiger88]

Hair falling out? Winny causes that too??? does it grow back??? I'm terrified of going bald!

i hear winny ranks as one of the worst for hair loss...thats why i am let to try it.....i am trying to locate paper var if not i will give the ben johnson favorite a try...

 

[Nelson Montana]

Winstrol is a DHT derivitive so it may accelerate hair loss. It's also the reason it can not aromatize at any dosage. 30 mgs is already hard on the liver and not very efective. It's best to use with an injectable.

 

[Xizor]

wtf is stanzonal, stanzolol for injecting analy?

If you're going to do a cycle of stanzonal is it good by itself

/Xizor

 

[stevemac]

what kind of results would you get stacking winny with DBOL? or is that a bad combo? I'm looking for size and strength increases but I don't want to bulk up too much. thanks guys.

 

[IJ26]

I agree with BodybyFinaplix on this one. winny doesnt make u lose fat diet/cardio/lifting does. gear is not a fat loss drug its a muscle building drug so use it as such

 

[Deleted member 33117]

what kind of results would you get stacking winny with DBOL? or is that a bad combo? I'm looking for size and strength increases but I don't want to bulk up too much. thanks guys.

Stacking multiple 17-aa drugs? Yes I would call that a bad combo. If you don't want to add size, or aren't looking for a competative advantage in a sport, why in the hell are you using steroids?

If you want to cut up, try the diet/cardio/weight lifting stack. Its very potentant and works much better than winstrol ever could.

 

[stevemac]

guys, I'm only on here to get all the information I can before trying anything. so I really don't need sarcasm or need to be talk to condensendingly.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Ok, fair enough. IF you are going to stack drugs, pick one's that don't multiply really bad side effects. MOST steroids are not liver toxic. Dbol and winstrol both are. Why not add something that isn't going to double your problem with so many other drugs out there to chose from. That is why dbol+winstrol is not advisable.

Now, as far as cuts go, until your diet, cardio and weight lifting routine are totally worked out, adding drugs to the equation is not worth much, and using something like winstrol in such an environment will yeild you little, if any, benefits. Cuts are primarily a function of your diet. Its the number one factor. If you are not getting the results you want, a minor tweak in yoru diet will usually yield faster and more effect (meaning more lasting) results than adding a drug.

 

[supertech69]

Ok, fair enough. IF you are going to stack drugs, pick one's that don't multiply really bad side effects. MOST steroids are not liver toxic. Dbol and winstrol both are. Why not add something that isn't going to double your problem with so many other drugs out there to chose from. That is why dbol+winstrol is not advisable.

Now, as far as cuts go, until your diet, cardio and weight lifting routine are totally worked out, adding drugs to the equation is not worth much, and using something like winstrol in such an environment will yeild you little, if any, benefits. Cuts are primarily a function of your diet. Its the number one factor. If you are not getting the results you want, a minor tweak in yoru diet will usually yield faster and more effect (meaning more lasting) results than adding a drug.

Well put! Some green for you........shit, must've already hit ya recently, I'll catch ya on the next go round.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Supertech, I belive you have bro.

... not to sound like a hypocrite stevemac, because I'm cutting on tren/winstrol/eq/t3 right now. However I my diet is flawless (meaning I do not see any way in which I could improve on it at the moment), and I follow it 100%, with no deviation. I think the diet outways the benefits of the drugs I'm using 10 fold. I'm also training six days a week.

 

[genarr4]

My personal feeling, after just doing a winny only cycle is that it is not effective by itself. Winny is probably best at that end of a cycle for leaning out but IMO not good for much else. I did a win only cycle more as an experiment to see if it is worth using in the future as I do get tested. After 4 weeks of a 6 week cycle, I had enough. My joints were sore, hair was falling out, and I really hadn't gained much strength. Maybe you'll have better success but report back to let us know how you're doing.

Same here. I did Winstrol only at 50mgs/ED. Zambons so it was the good stuff. There was no usual massive strength or size increase I've seen with other steroids, and no real fat loss. I got alittle stronger and harder, and starting around week four joint pain. It's not the amazing drug people think it is. IMO it's best used at the end of a cycle of more potent drugs to harden up.

 

[stevemac]

OK, thanks guys. that's the kind of advice I'm looking for. I'm pretty happy with my diet and I've lost most of the extra pounds I've put on while I've moved away. Ever since I started working out I have avoided sugar or anything deepfried since I tend to put weight on easy.