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[njmuscleguy]

i would consider dialling in diet and training and shedding 3-4 percent more bodyfat (this is realistically achievable in as little as 6-8 weeks naturally ) , then using a simple test only cycle for 12 weeks .

I agree with this, lean out first... but when did the "norm" for a test cycle, especially for a first-timer, jump up to 12 weeks? I see alot of people recommending this... whatever happened to 8-10 week cycles? Anyway... that would be *my* recommendation, 8-10 weeks for a first-timer... you'll get great results, and it's not *too* long so that recovery isn't more difficult.

 

[sswood81]

So would I run anything with the test? I'd like to get some Clen on the go. And can anyone recommend dosages? And would nolvadex be a good anti e

 

[njmuscleguy]

I personally am not a fan of clen, but that's just me... if you're looking to bulk now with the test, then maybe save the clen for later when you drop down on calories.

You SHOULD have an anti-e on-hand, such as arimidex, and only start to use it if you feel estrogen sides (excessive bloat, nipple sensitivity, etc.)... some people use it from the get-go cuz they know they have estro issues when they run test... since this is your first, you just don't know... I'd say have it on-hand, just in case.

 

[obsessedwliftin]

So would I run anything with the test? I'd like to get some Clen on the go. And can anyone recommend dosages? And would nolvadex be a good anti e

As NJ said you want to have Aromasin or Arimidex on hand for the estro sides.

 

[sswood81]

Ok since everyone says get away from tren. How about this. Test prop t-Bol and clen. I got some arimidex

 

[njmuscleguy]

why test prop? why have to deal with ED or EOD pokes if you don't have to??

I like t-bol personally (need relatively high dosages to notice anything, as an fyi)... but if this is your first cycle, just run test e or cyp, and that's all...2 pokes a week... I suppose you can run some of the supplements that everyone here that everyone speaks highly of (hcgenerate, forma, etc.)... just to give you an extra kick (if nothing else, mentally)

 

[sswood81]

I'm thinking prop because it's quite a bit cheaper for me to get. Also I read it gives the least bloat Especially for me to get enough for a good cycle. So all and all the prop t-Bol and Clem would make a good cycle? Can anyone give me an idea of dosages to take right through

 

[njmuscleguy]

hahaha... no dude... I said I like t-bol... I didn't say that it's the right thing for you to do for your first cycle!

as for less bloat with prop... that's garbage... or let me put it to you this way... prop doesn't bloat less for everyone... hell, I knew some guys that bloated MORE with prop than enth or cyp... everyone's different...

and clen is too advanced of a drug for a newbie... jeez, just get one of many fat-burners / thermogenics on the market today... there are some decent ones out there

looks like I'm fighting a losing battle here... seems like you have your mind set, so you're just waiting for that one person to tell you what you wanna hear... so I'll bow out... good luck dude

 

[sswood81]

I've taken Clen before but it was when I was playing sports. I've never taken steroids before and know the dynamics of what to take with what and what dosage. If prop isn't what is best. Especially having to prick myself then I'll try something else. I just need help in what to run. Like I said I need to keep my cardio and get a lil size. There's enough big guys in the army that can't run. Minds not made up yet. Appreciate the advice you all have given

 

[njmuscleguy]

you never said what your diet is like... and what is your cardio routine presently?