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St. Pierre vs. Serra
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Serra is definately considered the underdog, but many are sayin that Serra will beat St.Pierre to the ground....he's bigger and overall stronger.
Here's some info on the fight:
Georges St-Pierre ready to take on an army at UFC 83
The Canadian mixed martial artist won't be unprepared this time for his re-match with UFC welterweight champion Matt Serra.
At UFC 69, Canadian mixed-martial artist Georges St-Pierre said he lost his UFC welterweight championship belt to Matt Serra because he didn't properly prepare for the fight.
For his re-match with Serra at UFC 83 in Montreal on April 19th, St-Pierre said at Thursday's media conference, "I trained for an army, not a single person. If an army can't break me, one man can never do it. I've never been so prepared in my life."
Despite the fact that Serra convincingly defeated St-Pierre by technical knockout at 3:25 in the first round of their first match-up, St-Pierre is still considered the heavy favourite for Serra's title defence in the first UFC event ever held in Canada.
"I think it's obvious that I'm a huge underdog," said Serra. "I mean, not as huge as last time, but people are saying that based on his last two performances."
Serra is referring to St-Pierre's unanimous decision over Josh Koscheck at UFC 74 and submission of Matt Hughes at UFC 79. Those two victories re-confirmed St-Pierre's status as one of the most well-rounded and dangerous mixed martial artists in any weight class.
With the April 19th event taking place in St-Pierre's home province, it's not hard to predict how the audience will greet the two main event fighters.
"I don't expect to really get cheered walking out, but it's not a problem, man," said Serra. "I think I'll finally understand how Tim Sylvia feels when he fights anywhere. I've had my trainers booing on a regular basis so I think I'll be prepared."
St-Pierre is understandably pumped about fighting close to home in front of a loyal fanbase.
"Montreal has always been a fighting town," said St-Pierre. "Boxing is very popular, and so is pro wrestling and UFC. When I'm fighting in Vegas, you see a lot of Canadians there to watch the fight and support me. And now that UFC has come to Montreal, they're happy that they're going to see me fight here."
Besides training harder than ever before, St-Pierre has used some legendary literature to get him in the right mindset for next week's battle.
"I read a book called Art of War by Sun Tzu and he said that war is won by momentum," said St-Pierre. "Matt is coming off an injury and I'm coming off of two straight victories so I think I have the momentum going into this fight."
After all the posturing, St-Pierre made perhaps the most intriguing comment with his last statement at Thursday's conference when he answered a question about potentially moving up in weight to fight UFC middleweight champion Anderson Silva - widely considered to be the best pound-for-pound mixed martial artist in the world.
"I've been thinking about it. It's going to depend on the scenario," said St-Pierre. "I have a lot of training partners at 185 (pounds) and I would never fight somebody I train with. But if I ever have the opportunity, and I did everything I had to do at my division, then of course I would love to fight him."
Here's some info on the fight:
Georges St-Pierre ready to take on an army at UFC 83
The Canadian mixed martial artist won't be unprepared this time for his re-match with UFC welterweight champion Matt Serra.
At UFC 69, Canadian mixed-martial artist Georges St-Pierre said he lost his UFC welterweight championship belt to Matt Serra because he didn't properly prepare for the fight.
For his re-match with Serra at UFC 83 in Montreal on April 19th, St-Pierre said at Thursday's media conference, "I trained for an army, not a single person. If an army can't break me, one man can never do it. I've never been so prepared in my life."
Despite the fact that Serra convincingly defeated St-Pierre by technical knockout at 3:25 in the first round of their first match-up, St-Pierre is still considered the heavy favourite for Serra's title defence in the first UFC event ever held in Canada.
"I think it's obvious that I'm a huge underdog," said Serra. "I mean, not as huge as last time, but people are saying that based on his last two performances."
Serra is referring to St-Pierre's unanimous decision over Josh Koscheck at UFC 74 and submission of Matt Hughes at UFC 79. Those two victories re-confirmed St-Pierre's status as one of the most well-rounded and dangerous mixed martial artists in any weight class.
With the April 19th event taking place in St-Pierre's home province, it's not hard to predict how the audience will greet the two main event fighters.
"I don't expect to really get cheered walking out, but it's not a problem, man," said Serra. "I think I'll finally understand how Tim Sylvia feels when he fights anywhere. I've had my trainers booing on a regular basis so I think I'll be prepared."
St-Pierre is understandably pumped about fighting close to home in front of a loyal fanbase.
"Montreal has always been a fighting town," said St-Pierre. "Boxing is very popular, and so is pro wrestling and UFC. When I'm fighting in Vegas, you see a lot of Canadians there to watch the fight and support me. And now that UFC has come to Montreal, they're happy that they're going to see me fight here."
Besides training harder than ever before, St-Pierre has used some legendary literature to get him in the right mindset for next week's battle.
"I read a book called Art of War by Sun Tzu and he said that war is won by momentum," said St-Pierre. "Matt is coming off an injury and I'm coming off of two straight victories so I think I have the momentum going into this fight."
After all the posturing, St-Pierre made perhaps the most intriguing comment with his last statement at Thursday's conference when he answered a question about potentially moving up in weight to fight UFC middleweight champion Anderson Silva - widely considered to be the best pound-for-pound mixed martial artist in the world.
"I've been thinking about it. It's going to depend on the scenario," said St-Pierre. "I have a lot of training partners at 185 (pounds) and I would never fight somebody I train with. But if I ever have the opportunity, and I did everything I had to do at my division, then of course I would love to fight him."
CMarc said:
He's definately a favorite my canadian brother.
AAP said:
Mike Tyson...yes.
manny78 said:
^^Good bro material.
Scott Steiner is a legitimate mat technician. Dude went through college on a wrestling scholarship and was ranked #2 in the Big Ten in his Freshman, Junior and Senior years. Dude was known for injuring opponents badly with standard holds and moves.
Now you factor in the fact that he is completely bat shit crazy. A psychotic in the true sense of the word. He has a typical Me vs. The World pissed off attitude 24/7. It ain't no act. Dude has so much hate and vile in him that it is scarey. Steiner is too big. Too strong. Too fucking mean. Too aggressive.
Now you factor in the fact that he is completely bat shit crazy. A psychotic in the true sense of the word. He has a typical Me vs. The World pissed off attitude 24/7. It ain't no act. Dude has so much hate and vile in him that it is scarey. Steiner is too big. Too strong. Too fucking mean. Too aggressive.
canadianhitman
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manny78 said:
After the way the Habs played last night...fuck it...I'm going to enjoy the UFC and worry about what they did after. Although I'm sure there will be plenty of people at the Bell Center with BlackBerrys and web-browsing cell phones that will be keeping us posted on the score.
Where you sitting?
I disagree with you guys who think GSP will run through Serra. In the first fight, Serra pressured GSP on the feet and it seemed like GSP had difficulty fighting off the backfoot. Serra may have exposed GSP's weakness: you need to pressure him back instead of trying to bait GSP into your fight. Everyone who has tried to bait GSP found that GSP is too versatile in offense to take him out of the his game. Penn put GSP on the backfoot in round 1 and took it using a similar strategy. Serra is going to come at GSP again and I think we will see a stand-up war.
Given my understanding how betting works and odds are formulated, for this UFC, if I was a betting man, I would put money on Serra and Damian Maia. Both are substantial underdogs. I think it is very possible for Serra to win and I think Maia is going to easily sub Ed Herman.
Given my understanding how betting works and odds are formulated, for this UFC, if I was a betting man, I would put money on Serra and Damian Maia. Both are substantial underdogs. I think it is very possible for Serra to win and I think Maia is going to easily sub Ed Herman.
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gjohnson5 said:
I read your reply just now. I responded in detail there.
GSP always looked good except when Serra beat him down and Penn outboxed him in round 1.
I think GSP does have more "tools in the shed" than Serra and is a better transitional fighter able to integrate all MMA skills into a smooth package. I think GSP has a strategic weakness where he needs to control the pace of the fight and Serra will try to negate that. Everyone facing GSP except Penn and Serra let GSP do this as he has so many weapons they are too busy countering him. Serra will go right at him like he did in the first fight.
AAP said:
It's the big leagues now. It's no fuckin highschool reunion. I was captain of the wrestling team in highschool. Doesn't mean I'm gonna be champ in UFC. Matter of fact, it don't mean shit. Steiner wouldn't last in the ring with Fedor or Silva or even fuckin newb Brock Lestner.
the_alcatraz said:
Can Steiner even make it to the ring without taking a hit from an oxygen mask now?
gjohnson5
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The problem for Serra is going directly at GSP will put him inside the kicks, but that will take him directly into the new wrestling skills. I believe if he keeps training that , then Serra will be outmatched wrestling. If Hughes couldn't dominate GSP on the ground , Serra won't either.
Serra has to knock him out with punches to win the fight as he did last time. I think GSP will take him down to the mat before he lets that happen. You pointed out that GSP is now a well rounded package. What that means is that whatever tool that Serra throws at GSP , GSP will have a counter attack. I think the skills will catch up with him.
Serra has to knock him out with punches to win the fight as he did last time. I think GSP will take him down to the mat before he lets that happen. You pointed out that GSP is now a well rounded package. What that means is that whatever tool that Serra throws at GSP , GSP will have a counter attack. I think the skills will catch up with him.
Jacob Creutzfeldt said:
gjohnson5 said:
My point is that GSP doesn't have new wrestling skills, he already had them. He outwrestled Hughes in their first fight. He only lost when Hughes countered a kimura with an arm bar. GSP cannot counter well. That is my point. GSP needs to control the fight. When GSP has to counter, he's weaker. He isn't anywhere near adept at countering than initiating and that is why Serra Ko'd him in the first fight despite having inferior striking technique. GSP's weakness is countering in general. GSP is an offensive juggernaut, not a counter fighter.
gjohnson5
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No , I'm with everyone else that his skills are new. he may have trained in wrestling and jui jitsu , but his skills were not polished and refined. If Matt Hughes reversed a kimura into an armbar, that means GSp has holes in his ground game that Matt Hughes exploited. That was not the case in the third fight. Matt Hughes was totally dominated on the ground and there was no counter he had for anything GSP did. His skills were that polished and clean. I'm with the announcers of this , that his skills are polished and clean (which is why I'm calling them new. I can claim to have wrestling skills since I wrestlied in high school (which was15 years ago) but If you cannot display them and use them when needed , how real is that answer?
http://ballhype.com/video/george_st_pierre_defeats_matt_hughes_at_ufc_79
Totally dominating performance if you have not watched it
http://ballhype.com/video/george_st_pierre_defeats_matt_hughes_at_ufc_79
Totally dominating performance if you have not watched it
Jacob Creutzfeldt said:
crew9
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gjohnson5 said:
GSP was training to make the Canadian olympic wrestling people, so "the people" who agree with you are wrong. GSP is an exceptional wrestler and that has been his bread and butter since day one of his mma career. Yes I'm aware he's also exceptional at karate.
Yes, he is more "polished" than he was a few years ago. That's going to happen when you are using multiple styles. It takes time to put it all together. That does not however mean he was lacking any one skill. Certainly not wrestling.
gjohnson5
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He is now.... That's why I'm saying you (and Jacob) are wrong. His wrestling / BJJ skills are much better as of that last fight. I don't agree that GSP's bread and butter was wrestling, however. The detail you heard in the video about GSP wrestling with the canadian National team is evidence of himself wanting to be well rounded. But His original martial arts style is Kyokushin karate and is definitely more known as a stand up fighter. Anyway Yes , it takes years of training to hone skills and not sure where I said otherwise
crew9 said:
I see the majority of this thread favor St. Pierre.
gjohnson5 said:
GSP's stand-up is not his bread and butter. He isn't a power hitter and he doesn't connect with high accuracy. He mixes his strikes up and down well. He wins by submission almost as much as by TKO and those TKO's are mainly via GnP, not standup. Extreme athleticism and versatile offense are his strengths. Defense and countering skills are his weakness.
Jacob Creutzfeldt said:
I think one of the things that he was working on really hard was his counter skillz.
I hope he wins. I think he deserves it.
javaguru said:
Spartacus or moto or hurricane should start up a thread in the bookie forums.
I like both fighters. Many people applaud GSP for his improvement, but never mention the improvements Serra made. I think Serra is acting the role of villain because this fight is in GSP's homebase.
I hope it is a great fight and suspect it will be. I'm rooting for neither guy, I'm rooting for a great fight. I think GSP will beat Serra by late TKO. I wouldn't put money on that bet as I think Serra matches well to GSP and could very well win.
I hope it is a great fight and suspect it will be. I'm rooting for neither guy, I'm rooting for a great fight. I think GSP will beat Serra by late TKO. I wouldn't put money on that bet as I think Serra matches well to GSP and could very well win.
PICK3 said:I'll go with Serra
He's a tough puncher, but isn't so good with his ground game.
PICK3 said:He's a BJJ black belt
I don't like his ground game bro...I think it's too by-the-book for my taste.
Jacob Creutzfeldt said:
Good attitude. It should be an interesting fight.
canadianhitman
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CMarc said:
I'm near Brockville, Ontario....about 45min east of Kingston
canadianhitman
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manny78 said:
I'm in the reds as well, section 107...row E
canadianhitman said:
lucky bastard.
canadianhitman
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the_alcatraz said:
Remember what I told you before about how to get tickets when it comes back to Montreal within the next year (it will...guaranteed).
canadianhitman said:
I will remember that.
javaguru said:
In.
PICK3 said:He's a BJJ black belt
Not just a BJJ black belt, but a top shelf BJJ black belt and Abu Dhabi competitor. I think Alcatraz probably means that Serra cannot get his BJJ to work as well in an MMA environment as on a grappling mat.
Jacob Creutzfeldt said:
+1
AAP said:
1- I have no idea.
2- I've seen Ivan Salaverry submit Tony Fryklund at UFC 50 with a triangle bodylock. I saw another triangle bodylock submission recently, but I forget at what promotion and which fighter executed it. Salaverry applies it at about 1:52 into the highligh film of him:
Tonight's the big night guys....be ready.
Gentlemen, place your bets:
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/karma-bookie/4-19-ufc83-st-pierre-vs-serra-10pm-591908.html
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/karma-bookie/4-19-ufc83-st-pierre-vs-serra-10pm-591908.html
PICK3 said:fuck me!
It's the major leagues bro...GSP is a pro....Serra's win was a fluke last time...
mountain muscle
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Serra is a tool/guido though.
mountain muscle
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PICK3 said:
Suck a dick.
Wait, try something new, suck a clit.
PICK3 said:I like to pull for the underdog ...
and the American
USA! USA! USA!
I like to pull for the Canadian
What are your comments on the fight guys?
mountain muscle
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the_alcatraz said:
I no los veo
mountain muscle said:
wtf?
canadianhitman
Well-known member
Just got home from Montreal...the atmosphere was INSANE. I hope just how loud the crowd was came across on tv.
canadianhitman said:
Yes it did
gjohnson5
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Her's the video of Serra getting beat
http://ballhype.com/video/gsp_vs_serra_ufc_83/
http://ballhype.com/video/gsp_vs_serra_ufc_83/
Serra never got anything going. He fought defense the whole fight. It ended pretty much like I thought it would, via GnP tko, but a lot early than I thought it would. I thought the stoppage was premature although Serra wasn't doing too much other than hanging on.
I really liked the Bocek v. Danzig fight.
Lutter was disappointing. I hope gassing out doesn't become his modus operandi.
Bisping Looked really sharp.
Did anyone see the Damian Maia fight?
I really liked the Bocek v. Danzig fight.
Lutter was disappointing. I hope gassing out doesn't become his modus operandi.
Bisping Looked really sharp.
Did anyone see the Damian Maia fight?
gjohnson5 said:
Beautiful!
redsamurai
Banned
does anyone else think that serra just didn't look in that great shape? I think because of that he was pacing himself. GSP just came out for war from the first bell, and that's how you win titles. Serra just didn't have the juice to go balls out and meet GSP's aggression. That was GSP's advantage in this fight.......pure aggression. I really didn't think he did anything too devastating to Serra......he just kept on him and didn't let up. So while it was obviously a good win.......he's not going to beat someone like Silva with that gameplan. Silva has too many tools. I hope he does go up and wipe out Silva though........I'm not a fan of his.
redsamurai said:
dude. GSP wiped the floor with Serra. Serra was more than prepared. Did you see the previews. He lost. That's it. Plain and simple. GSP is a much better fighter than Serra can ever be.
Serra was definitely prepared. He was immediately put on the defensive and really never came back with any offense.
javaguru
Banned
That's what happens when someone is just outclassed as a fighter.Jacob Creutzfeldt said:
I know the "official" answer from GSP was "personal problems" but I have to wonder how much "champion syndrome" played into his losing the title. I think it was a wake up call and that he needs to take every fight seriously.
javaguru said:That's what happens when someone is just outclassed as a fighter.
The constant onslaught of punches from Serra in GSP v. Serra I was GSP's personal problem that night. If GSP didn't train properly for the first fight, he probably wouldn't have come in at a ripped 175 pounds.
javaguru said:That's what happens when someone is just outclassed as a fighter.
Agreed.
javaguru said:
Trained extremely hard and got in top shape for a guy he thought he would just tool? I don't buy that. I think generally a guy is going to fight like he trains. The slacking will come during the 12+ weeks of preparation, not during the fight. Once you are hit in a fight, the urge to play around with an opponent will most likely stop.
The difference in this fight is that St. Pierre didn't back up. When Serra came in clinching range instead of backing out, St. Pierre used his wrestling skills to take Serra down and pound him. I suppose one can speculate about mindsets, excuses, underestimating opponents, the effects of being in the hometown, etc., but in the end in this fight St. Pierre didn't back out of clinches and that's how he avoided what happened in the first fight. He took Serra down and pounded him when Serra got near (ala gjohnson5's predictions) St. Pierre fought a different fight. Underestimating an opponent doesn't mean you took it easy on him either. It means that he was better than you thought he was.
St. Pierre was ready to run the 100 mt dash from his stance at the begining of the fight. He attacked and he was absolutely relentless in his strikes. His knees to Serra's body and his strikes to Serra's head were relentless and damaging
javaguru
Banned
I don't think I'm conveying my point. GSP should have dominated him in their first fight. What I learned in football and wrestling is that I/we beat people I/we shouldn't have and lost a couple I/we shouldn't based on skill and experience. It's the old saying, you "play" to your competition. I got surprised by some "wrestlers on a mission" that were lesser than me and I beat quite a few as a freshman in high school that assumed my skills were lesser.Jacob Creutzfeldt said:
javaguru said:
St. Pierre should've definately dominated Serra the first fight.
