Spring Cycle - Test E, Primo, Var, Winstrol

[ConanX]

Hello. This will be my 3rd cycle. My last cycle which was 250-500mg of Test E e/w and 200mg Deca e/w was excellent, with around 30lb lean gains. My body looks completely recomposed, lovin' it.

It's still early, but I just wanted to list what I was thinking about doing for my upcoming spring cycle since I need to notify the guy on what I'm getting.

Weeks 1-12 - Test Enanthanate - 300mg e/w
Weeks 1-12 - Primobolan - 300mg e/w
Weeks 1-12 - Anavar - 60mg e/d
Weeks 4-12 - Oral Winstrol - 60mg e/d

Please critique this as I'm not sure if the orals are a bit too much, or if it is a bit too long. Any more or less of a certain substance? I've never used Primo or Winstrol before. I may cut it down to 10 weeks instead of 12. I want a bit more lean mass, but mostly a more defined, dry, and extremely cut body. I also am looking for keepable solid gains. I'll be throwing some clenbuterol in as well. I would do Test Prop or injectable Winstrol but I am not shooting myself, I see the guy once a week for a weekly shot so that is why I am limited to weekly injections and orals.

Also, PCT help is greatly needed.

I need to notify the supplier VERY soon on what to get, so please give me your suggestions ASAP.

Thank you very much.

 

[bblazer]

I would bring down the anavar to 6-7 weeks and use it at the end, maybe for even one week after your last shot of test.

What did you do for PCT on your last cycle?

B-

 

[black koala]

If that first cycle worked great for you, why are you changing it? Are you just over the deca? Did you find the recovery from the shutdown hard? Good luck with the new cycle

 

[mattu3743]

I wouldnt use the clen bro, if this is only your 3rd cycle. You have 4 really good compounds allready. Adding the clen would prob be over-kill for you

 

[ConanX]

I would bring down the anavar to 6-7 weeks and use it at the end, maybe for even one week after your last shot of test.

What did you do for PCT on your last cycle?

B-

Does Anavar lose its strength after 7 weeks or is it maybe just too long to run an oral for 10+ weeks? I loved the affects of Anavar and it gives me the body I want, so that's why I figured I'd use it for the whole cycle.

Some HCG and Nolvadex. I hear that Nolvadex isn't that great and it's better to use HCG mid-cycle and throughout.

Thanks brother!

 

[ConanX]

If that first cycle worked great for you, why are you changing it? Are you just over the deca? Did you find the recovery from the shutdown hard? Good luck with the new cycle

It worked great but I was bulking and I keep hearing great things about Primo and some horror stories about Deca. Plus, I already bought some Anavar and Winstrol but I need to buy a bit more to have a cycle. So I figured I have access to some excellent cutters, why not use 'em!

I wouldnt use the clen bro, if this is only your 3rd cycle. You have 4 really good compounds allready. Adding the clen would prob be over-kill for you

You might be right. Before I touched any AAS, I used some clenbuterol and ECA to get my fat levels very low. I used to use it here and there to get sub 10% bodyfat. It worked great for me and the sides didn't bother me too much, plus I loved the increased energy. But thanks for the comment, I may not use it at all if I can get my bodyfat down to around 10.5% with just cardio and diet.

 

[WinnyPumps]

Hello. This will be my 3rd cycle. My last cycle which was 250-500mg of Test E e/w and 200mg Deca e/w was excellent, with around 30lb lean gains. My body looks completely recomposed, lovin' it.

It's still early, but I just wanted to list what I was thinking about doing for my upcoming spring cycle since I need to notify the guy on what I'm getting.

Weeks 1-12 - Test Enanthanate - 300mg e/w
Weeks 1-12 - Primobolan - 300mg e/w
Weeks 1-12 - Anavar - 60mg e/d
Weeks 4-12 - Oral Winstrol - 60mg e/d

Please critique this as I'm not sure if the orals are a bit too much, or if it is a bit too long. Any more or less of a certain substance? I've never used Primo or Winstrol before. I may cut it down to 10 weeks instead of 12. I want a bit more lean mass, but mostly a more defined, dry, and extremely cut body. I also am looking for keepable solid gains. I'll be throwing some clenbuterol in as well. I would do Test Prop or injectable Winstrol but I am not shooting myself, I see the guy once a week for a weekly shot so that is why I am limited to weekly injections and orals.

Also, PCT help is greatly needed.

I need to notify the supplier VERY soon on what to get, so please give me your suggestions ASAP.

Thank you very much.

Did you get bad acne during or post cycle from the Test/Deca cycle. Sorry to be off topic but I really want to do that cycle.

 

[mattu3743]

Did you get bad acne during or post cycle from the Test/Deca cycle. Sorry to be off topic but I really want to do that cycle.

I ran test/deca cycle and I had no acne at all. Not even 1 pimple. Just stretch marks everywhere

 

[bblazer]

Does Anavar lose its strength after 7 weeks or is it maybe just too long to run an oral for 10+ weeks? I loved the affects of Anavar and it gives me the body I want, so that's why I figured I'd use it for the whole cycle.

Some HCG and Nolvadex. I hear that Nolvadex isn't that great and it's better to use HCG mid-cycle and throughout.

Thanks brother!

While var is relatively easy on the liver it still does have some toxicity with it. Add that to the oral winny and you could have problems.

B-

 

[ConanX]

Winnypumps, I didn't really get any negative side affects. Acne might have increased a bit, but nothing worth mentioning.

Thanks bblazer, I was wondering the same thing, if both orals together might be a bit too much. I hear that Milk Thistle is a good liver protectant...I should probably run that, right?

Also, any PCT advice? I have to tell the guy soon and that includes what PCT I need.

Thank you.

 

[mattu3743]

Winnypumps, I didn't really get any negative side affects. Acne might have increased a bit, but nothing worth mentioning.

Thanks bblazer, I was wondering the same thing, if both orals together might be a bit too much. I hear that Milk Thistle is a good liver protectant...I should probably run that, right?

Also, any PCT advice? I have to tell the guy soon and that includes what PCT I need.

Thank you.

milk thistle is fine you should take it everyday any way

 

[Olivelawn]

Hello. This will be my 3rd cycle. My last cycle which was 250-500mg of Test E e/w and 200mg Deca e/w was excellent, with around 30lb lean gains. My body looks completely recomposed, lovin' it.

It's still early, but I just wanted to list what I was thinking about doing for my upcoming spring cycle since I need to notify the guy on what I'm getting.

Weeks 1-12 - Test Enanthanate - 300mg e/w
Weeks 1-12 - Primobolan - 300mg e/w
Weeks 1-12 - Anavar - 60mg e/d
Weeks 4-12 - Oral Winstrol - 60mg e/d

Please critique this as I'm not sure if the orals are a bit too much, or if it is a bit too long. Any more or less of a certain substance? I've never used Primo or Winstrol before. I may cut it down to 10 weeks instead of 12. I want a bit more lean mass, but mostly a more defined, dry, and extremely cut body. I also am looking for keepable solid gains. I'll be throwing some clenbuterol in as well. I would do Test Prop or injectable Winstrol but I am not shooting myself, I see the guy once a week for a weekly shot so that is why I am limited to weekly injections and orals.

Also, PCT help is greatly needed.

I need to notify the supplier VERY soon on what to get, so please give me your suggestions ASAP.

Thank you very much.

Just run the test and winstrol for the last 4 weeks @ 50mg ED. Unless you plan on running a MINIMUM of 400mg a week for 14-16 weeks the primo is a waste in my mind.

Your diet and cardio will take care of the fat loss, no need to use the clen. That stuff is the absolute worst. You have no idea what you're in for.

I would save the anavar for a bridge or use 10mg a day throughout PCT to help keep more of your gains.

As far as PCT and an A/I - Use aromasin from day one of your cycle at 25mg ED. If your joints start to hurt cut it back a little. Use throughout cycle and PCT. Run it two weeks past the clomid to avoid the negative feedback loop the estrogen may still be causing.

While running the winstrol your joints may hurt anyhow so you might need a low dose of deca for that 200-330mg EW.

HCG - use 500ius a week upon notice of shrikage (usually around week 4-5). Day after last injection shoot 1000ius a day for five days.

Clomid - 14 days after last injection use 100mg for two weeks then drop it back to 50mg for two weeks.

 

[ConanX]

Thanks a lot brother. I'm still undecided on what doses and compounds to use, as I'd like to make this one hell of a cutting cycle. But you guys are helping a lot.

The PCT info is much appreciated, thank you.

Just run the test and winstrol for the last 4 weeks @ 50mg ED. Unless you plan on running a MINIMUM of 400mg a week for 14-16 weeks the primo is a waste in my mind.

Your diet and cardio will take care of the fat loss, no need to use the clen. That stuff is the absolute worst. You have no idea what you're in for.

I would save the anavar for a bridge or use 10mg a day throughout PCT to help keep more of your gains.

As far as PCT and an A/I - Use aromasin from day one of your cycle at 25mg ED. If your joints start to hurt cut it back a little. Use throughout cycle and PCT. Run it two weeks past the clomid to avoid the negative feedback loop the estrogen may still be causing.

While running the winstrol your joints may hurt anyhow so you might need a low dose of deca for that 200-330mg EW.

HCG - use 500ius a week upon notice of shrikage (usually around week 4-5). Day after last injection shoot 1000ius a day for five days.

Clomid - 14 days after last injection use 100mg for two weeks then drop it back to 50mg for two weeks.

 

[needtogetaas]

Just run the test and winstrol for the last 4 weeks @ 50mg ED. Unless you plan on running a MINIMUM of 400mg a week for 14-16 weeks the primo is a waste in my mind.

Your diet and cardio will take care of the fat loss, no need to use the clen. That stuff is the absolute worst. You have no idea what you're in for.

I would save the anavar for a bridge or use 10mg a day throughout PCT to help keep more of your gains.

As far as PCT and an A/I - Use aromasin from day one of your cycle at 25mg ED. If your joints start to hurt cut it back a little. Use throughout cycle and PCT. Run it two weeks past the clomid to avoid the negative feedback loop the estrogen may still be causing.

While running the winstrol your joints may hurt anyhow so you might need a low dose of deca for that 200-330mg EW.

HCG - use 500ius a week upon notice of shrikage (usually around week 4-5). Day after last injection shoot 1000ius a day for five days.

Clomid - 14 days after last injection use 100mg for two weeks then drop it back to 50mg for two weeks.

No one ever needs to go over 50mg clomid ed. Ever!!!!!!!

 

[needtogetaas]

Just run the test and winstrol for the last 4 weeks @ 50mg ED. Unless you plan on running a MINIMUM of 400mg a week for 14-16 weeks the primo is a waste in my mind.

Your diet and cardio will take care of the fat loss, no need to use the clen. That stuff is the absolute worst. You have no idea what you're in for.

I would save the anavar for a bridge or use 10mg a day throughout PCT to help keep more of your gains.

As far as PCT and an A/I - Use aromasin from day one of your cycle at 25mg ED. If your joints start to hurt cut it back a little. Use throughout cycle and PCT. Run it two weeks past the clomid to avoid the negative feedback loop the estrogen may still be causing.

While running the winstrol your joints may hurt anyhow so you might need a low dose of deca for that 200-330mg EW.

HCG - use 500ius a week upon notice of shrikage (usually around week 4-5). Day after last injection shoot 1000ius a day for five days.

Clomid - 14 days after last injection use 100mg for two weeks then drop it back to 50mg for two weeks.

You are ether on or off. More steroids is called (on cycle) not pct. The word bridging can be depated but it pretty much means YOU ARE ON STEROIDS AND YOU ARE NOT RECOVERING. Its best saved for people who plan to never come off ever.

 

[needtogetaas]

Weeks 1-14 - Test Enanthanate - 300mg e/w
Weeks 1-14 - Primobolan - 400mg e/w
Weeks 1-6 - Anavar - 60mg e/d
Weeks 8-14 - Oral Winstrol - 50mg e/d
8-15 hcg 500iu's ew
16-20 25mg clomid ed and 5 pumps Sustain Alpha ed.

Keep adex on hand and do not use it unless you need it. With the added dht's threw out the cycle its likely you may not need it.

I would run a liver sup like Liver Care 180 ct. threw out cycle. Its cheap as shit so why not? pm me for discount on any of this including the ai's and clomid.

Glad I could help.

 

[ConanX]

Weeks 1-14 - Test Enanthanate - 300mg e/w
Weeks 1-14 - Primobolan - 400mg e/w
Weeks 1-6 - Anavar - 60mg e/d
Weeks 8-14 - Oral Winstrol - 50mg e/d
8-15 hcg 500iu's ew
16-20 25mg clomid ed and 5 pumps Sustain Alpha ed.

Keep adex on hand and do not use it unless you need it. With the added dht's threw out the cycle its likely you may not need it.

I would run a liver sup like Liver Care 180 ct. threw out cycle. Its cheap as shit so why not? pm me for discount on any of this including the ai's and clomid.

Glad I could help.

You my friend...are the FUCKIN' MAN!

 

[Olivelawn]

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No one ever needs to go over 50mg clomid ed. Ever!!!!!!!

Then answer this please. The below is taken directly from an Elite Fitness e-book. This totally contradicts what you are saying. My question to you is then whom is correct, because if you're wrong you need to say so, if the book is wrong then it needs to be corrected.

The amount and length of your clomid cycle depends on how much testosterone suppression you have suffered. If you were on a short cycle of 6 to 8 weeks, than 2 weeks of clomid may be enough to return your HPTA to normal. This method calls for 100mgs of clomid daily for 1 week followed by one week of 50mgs daily. If you severely damaged your natural testosterone production with a long cycle of androgens, you will have to use a higher dose of clomid for 21 days. To reverse this damage, you will need to front load clomid with a dose of 300 mgs the first day followed by 10 days of 100 mgs and finish with 50mgs daily for the last 10 days.

What is the "correct answer" then?

 

[Olivelawn]

Bump for answer

 

[ConanX]

Well this cycle looked GREAT but then I found out the price of the Primo, and with this much Primo it's going to be a lot of moola.

I'd do Tren but daily injections are a no-no. Maybe I'll just run the Anavar throughout the whole cycle or something and then throw the Win in at the end. I also have access to some cheap TBol so I'm wondering if I should throw that in the first 5 weeks. My head is spinning all day long trying to figure out my cycle lol.

 

[Olivelawn]

Bump for answer

 

[Olivelawn]

Waiting.