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[Hengst]

A glimpse into the future of the US if we continue to allow unbridled third world immigration.

 

[PCxPete]

i think that could be a bit of an exageration. but i live in australia so i cant really comment.

ive said it before, we have it pretty good over here and things like this remind me never to take it for granted

 

[tuc biscuit]

i think that could be a bit of an exageration.

There was a picture of them and they looked like they had what was described happen to them, what a weird thought that that happens on the same planet as I/you live on.

 

[Mandinka2]

There was a picture of them and they looked like they had what was described happen to them, what a weird thought that that happens on the same planet as I/you live on.

Hell no , our forefathers did the same and worse in times of war , and if we think we are so "civilised" that we wouldn't do the same then IMHO we're just sticking our head in the sand.

 

[PCxPete]

"A glimpse into the future of the US if we continue to allow unbridled third world immigration"

^ i thought that was a bit over the top. i dont disagree with the initial report one bit

 

[Imnotdutch]

What many people don't realise is that honour killings happen within some ethnic communities even in the 'civilised' (??!!) world. The reason can be as simple as a girl acting in a manner that is considered too westernised.

It is very easy to point the finger and criticise.........but all cultures do things that tohers would consider wrong.

 

[plornive]

What many people don't realise is that honour killings happen within some ethnic communities even in the 'civilised' (??!!) world. The reason can be as simple as a girl acting in a manner that is considered too westernised.

I can criticize that, too.

It is very easy to point the finger and criticise.........but all cultures do things that tohers would consider wrong.

How about pointing the finger at cultural conformity and stupidity. I understand what you are saying. Maybe if I was that uncle, I would have participated in the killings. But that doesn't mean it isn't wrong in many (higher level) contexts.

 

[Imnotdutch]

I can criticize that, too.

How about pointing the finger at cultural conformity and stupidity. I understand what you are saying. Maybe if I was that uncle, I would have participated in the killings. But that doesn't mean it isn't wrong in many contexts.

I am not justifying the killings. However, within that girls community there is a strong sense of what is right and what is wrong. She effectively brought shame to her entire family........that is how they see it. So I can see why it happened.

In these cases the family is put before the individual (families can benefit greatly from arranged marriages). It could be argued that this benefits more people than get hurt by it. In the west we tend to do the reverse........individuals needs come first.

 

[plornive]

I am not justifying the killings. However, within that girls community there is a strong sense of what is right and what is wrong. She effectively brought shame to her entire family........that is how they see it. So I can see why it happened.

In these cases the family is put before the individual (families can benefit greatly from arranged marriages). It could be argued that this benefits more people than get hurt by it. In the west we tend to do the reverse........individuals needs come first.

Yes, and I am saying that modern values are a lobe of the cultural brain that these people (not all of Pakistan of course) have not developed yet. Modern values can understand them. But they cannot understand modern values. Therefore, modern values are better.

 

[plornive]

I reallize some people hold many contradicting values simultaneously. But modern values as a collective consciousness can understand old traditional values, while traditional values as a collective consciousness cannot understand modern values.