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future1

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ok i have a good friend of mine who now wants to get a bike. The problem is he has nerver ridden a bike. He wants to get a 600 cc i think the r6.
Now london is not the easiest and safest place to ride the bike specially when u have never ridden one. he has his license.
now i dnt know how to advise him since i dnt ride bikes since 1 year (license disqualified :-( .

what u guys think ? do u think he will be able to handle it. His previous bike was a 125 cc. he is now 27
 
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can he legally get a 600cc??? here you have to stick with 250cc for 3 years after getting your license... Only then will you be able to go over that limit.
 
pintoca said:
can he legally get a 600cc??? here you have to stick with 250cc for 3 years after getting your license... Only then will you be able to go over that limit.
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yeah i think he can cause of his age. anyway he said he has the license.
 
patsfan1379 said:
yes he will be able to handle it. people overdramatize the skill it takes to ride a bike.
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:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: and alot of people over dramatize death too....
 
He'll get killed on an R6.

Do they have SV650's from suzuki over there? Honda Nighthawks?

A 125cc bike is a moped. One miscalculated roll on the trottle on an R6 and in a split second you will be on one wheel and out of control.

His funeral...


Bluesman
 
Steve The Bluesman said:
He'll get killed on an R6.

Do they have SV650's from suzuki over there? Honda Nighthawks?

A 125cc bike is a moped. One miscalculated roll on the trottle on an R6 and in a split second you will be on one wheel and out of control.



Bluesman
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I ride that way all the time and it is kind of fun.
 
Steve The Bluesman said:
He'll get killed on an R6.

Do they have SV650's from suzuki over there? Honda Nighthawks?

A 125cc bike is a moped. One miscalculated roll on the trottle on an R6 and in a split second you will be on one wheel and out of control.

His funeral...


Bluesman
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like this????????
 
A 600 is a lot of power for an unexperienced rider. I'd say a smaller bike with a tighter turning circle might be better suited to driving through the London traffic.
 
well the thing is he is not the crazy kind of rider.
i see most guys just blaze it thru traffic and all that but he is the kind of safe type of guy. he likes the bike and i know he is not going to race the bike or race it thru but im still worried whether he can deal with it
 
Steve The Bluesman said:
He'll get killed on an R6.

Do they have SV650's from suzuki over there? Honda Nighthawks?

A 125cc bike is a moped. One miscalculated roll on the trottle on an R6 and in a split second you will be on one wheel and out of control.

His funeral...


Bluesman
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yeah we do ahve them but he is a fanatic of the supersport bikes
 
I battled and battled over this question over on sportbike forums. All the internet tough guys on their moral high horse kept saying go for the SV or ninja250. Then when someone posted a poll asking what bike was their first, over 80% were 600cc sportbikes.
 
oh fucking please. a 600cc bike is perfect if you are a responsible rider. all this bullshit about "death is a joke" blah blah blah... It isn't the size of the bike that is going to kill the person, it is the mentality of the rider. A cock on a 250 has just as much chance of killing himself than he does on an R6.

This is like saying a fucking person should buy a Kia before a Corvette or else he will KILL himself.

Please.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people.
 
future1 said:
well the thing is he is not the crazy kind of rider.
i see most guys just blaze it thru traffic and all that but he is the kind of safe type of guy. he likes the bike and i know he is not going to race the bike or race it thru but im still worried whether he can deal with it
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If he's calm, responsible, and mature like you're implying, he'll be fine on a 600.

If he's wreckless, thinks he's invincible, and thinks the streets are his own personal race track, then encourage him to get the largest sportbike he can and to acheive maximum speed on every road. If he's the idiotic type, he's going to do it anyway, doesn't matter what he's riding.

A 600 will offer him a lot. They're still very powerful, but not so much as a liter class bike, giving the rider a bit more room for error with the throttle.

I love the idiots that say a 600 is too much for a new rider because they won't respect the power it has and they'd be better off on a liter bike. Gee, yeah, like they're going to respect the power of a liter bike.

I knew a guy that had a ninja 250, parked it for about 8 months (was having problems) then went and got a ZX12R. He put it down 3x in a matter of 6 months, but he would've done the same on a ZX6R or even an EX500. He had absolutely no riding skill whatsoever and should not of been on 2 wheels. I came up along side of him on my F4 one day and we both started tugging on the throttle. I figured he was going to smoke me but said fuck it, I'll try to run with him anyway. I walked away like he was standing still. He tried a 6th gear roll on from 75mph whereas I was down in 3rd. He asked me how I walked away from him so fast, totally clueless.

Another guy I knew had borrowed a friends GSXR750 (he was a noob rider) and went riding with the guy on the ZX12. They hit some semi-twisty roads, and the guy on the ZX12 couldn't corner to save his ass.
 
crak600 said:
If he's calm, responsible, and mature like you're implying, he'll be fine on a 600.

If he's wreckless, thinks he's invincible, and thinks the streets are his own personal race track, then encourage him to get the largest sportbike he can and to acheive maximum speed on every road. If he's the idiotic type, he's going to do it anyway, doesn't matter what he's riding.

A 600 will offer him a lot. They're still very powerful, but not so much as a liter class bike, giving the rider a bit more room for error with the throttle.

I love the idiots that say a 600 is too much for a new rider because they won't respect the power it has and they'd be better off on a liter bike. Gee, yeah, like they're going to respect the power of a liter bike.

I knew a guy that had a ninja 250, parked it for about 8 months (was having problems) then went and got a ZX12R. He put it down 3x in a matter of 6 months, but he would've done the same on a ZX6R or even an EX500. He had absolutely no riding skill whatsoever and should not of been on 2 wheels. I came up along side of him on my F4 one day and we both started tugging on the throttle. I figured he was going to smoke me but said fuck it, I'll try to run with him anyway. I walked away like he was standing still. He tried a 6th gear roll on from 75mph whereas I was down in 3rd. He asked me how I walked away from him so fast, totally clueless.

Another guy I knew had borrowed a friends GSXR750 (he was a noob rider) and went riding with the guy on the ZX12. They hit some semi-twisty roads, and the guy on the ZX12 couldn't corner to save his ass.
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well said.
 
I started with a nighthawk 650, then an interceptor 500 and now I have the Ninja 636. I think it is more how the bike is intended to be used. The higher strung the bike the harder to ride. A Harley Road King has a lot of power and such, but will probably cruise better on long hauls than the 636, but the 636 will give higher end performance for road racing and such and not do as well on long hauls.

Once about 20 years ago I wanted to trade the interceptor in for a cbr 1000. The dealer refused to sell it to me because I didn't have enough experience.
 
My first street bike was a ninja 600 and if the guy isn't a real dumbass he should be fine with a 600cc.
 
chesty said:
I started with a nighthawk 650, then an interceptor 500 and now I have the Ninja 636. I think it is more how the bike is intended to be used. The higher strung the bike the harder to ride. A Harley Road King has a lot of power and such, but will probably cruise better on long hauls than the 636, but the 636 will give higher end performance for road racing and such and not do as well on long hauls.

Once about 20 years ago I wanted to trade the interceptor in for a cbr 1000. The dealer refused to sell it to me because I didn't have enough experience.
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In 98 I started on a VF1000R, then in early 99 I got the CBR600F4. Night and day difference between those 2 bikes. The VF weighed 200lbs more, and even though it was actually rated to put out more hp and tq than the F4, it couldn't hold a candle to the F4s acceleration. the VF had some issues though, mainly the 40K+ miles on the clock. It wasn't maintained the greatest before I got it, and the rear head was leaking a little bit of oil.

Had to fight the VF through turns, but midrange throttle response was actually pretty good in turns.

I have about half of the VF still. Missing quite a bit of the engine internals. Still have the frame and all the body work (cracked in places and scuffed, but still have it).
 
anyone can take any motorized type of vehicle and go from point "A" to point "B" in a straight line under legal speed laws etc etc......with relative safety...now, you take a person who has got some HP machine with no experience, whats he most likely to do?...when an opportunity arrises, he is going to take on a challenge that he is not ready for, because this circumstance presented itself to him and he has the equipment in front of him or beneath him to take it on...this is the point of this thread regarding safety and getting a bike or HP car that is over the persons head in abiltiy to handle it....not going from A to B lawfully and safely....
 
I've always tried to recommend older 600s to newbies. They have enough power to enjoy, but aren't as touchy as the newer ones can be.

For what it's worth... There is nothing wrong with starting on a 600. I did and I survived just fine. It depends on the rider and their level of confidence and self control.
 
yeah thanks for the input... I guess eh is not the morron type either. I mean he is the racer type guy putting his knees down when turning or something like that.

I personanlly thought the r6 is a gud bike for him for the size the light weight .
 
PBR said:
anyone can take any motorized type of vehicle and go from point "A" to point "B" in a straight line under legal speed laws etc etc......with relative safety...now, you take a person who has got some HP machine with no experience, whats he most likely to do?...when an opportunity arrises, he is going to take on a challenge that he is not ready for, because this circumstance presented itself to him and he has the equipment in front of him or beneath him to take it on...this is the point of this thread regarding safety and getting a bike or HP car that is over the persons head in abiltiy to handle it....not going from A to B lawfully and safely....
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yes, but the "challenge" that decides his stupidity is the motorcycle itself, not the fact that he has an R6 instead of an sv650.
 
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i get what youre saying....i will stand by my point of view also..."K" to you PatsFan for your diligence.
 
tiger88 said:
this is more debated then the dbol vs anadrol threads in the juicer forum LOL
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Yeah I know.

This "respect the power" only looks good on paper, and besides, its not just surviving on the street, its actually learning how to fucking ride. And its very hard even for experienced riders to outride a 750+cc bike.

Bottom line: All noobs start small and learn how to really ride(not putting around from stoplight to stoplight scared to death from the power, and simply surviving).

Older CBR's, Ninja 500's, and possibly sv650's make exellent noob bikes. Once you get some very solid riding ability down, then move up.

For the record, I ride an 04 sv650s and Im sick of these posers on 750's, and liter bikes who cant ride for shit, and it shows when they get wasted by a 75HP bike in the canyons.
 
HS Lifter said:
Yeah I know.

This "respect the power" only looks good on paper, and besides, its not just surviving on the street, its actually learning how to fucking ride. And its very hard even for experienced riders to outride a 750+cc bike.

Bottom line: All noobs start small and learn how to really ride(not putting around from stoplight to stoplight scared to death from the power, and simply surviving).

Older CBR's, Ninja 500's, and possibly sv650's make exellent noob bikes. Once you get some very solid riding ability down, then move up.

For the record, I ride an 04 sv650s and Im sick of these posers on 750's, and liter bikes who cant ride for shit, and it shows when they get wasted by a 75HP bike in the canyons.
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amen bro.... they all they need the newbass R6 or the R1 even cuz it looks cool and an oldr smaller bike isnt gonna pull chics :rolleyes:

no wonder why there are so many deaths from motorcycles..ppl cant handle them and are dumbass and dont wear helmets too (over 50% of deaths on bikes are caused by booze ) ya smart ppl there to drink and get on a bike :rolleyes:
 
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tiger88 said:
amen bro.... they all they need the newbass R6 or the R1 even cuz it looks cool and an oldr smaller bike isnt gonna pull chics :rolleyes:

no wonder why there are so many deaths from motorcycles..ppl cant handle them and are dumbass and dont wear helmets too (over 50% of deaths on bikes are caused by DUI's ) ya smart ppl there to drink and get on a bike :rolleyes:
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I beg to differ on the "people can't handle them" comment. It's more "people are stupid and ride above their heads" than anything else.

I honestly feel that a newer 600cc for someone that has a few thousand miles experience under their ass is not a bad thing. I always feel starting on something smaller or older is the best thing to do. The good thing about a 600 is you can push it's threshold a bit more power wise, even for a lesser experienced rider, and not have to worry as much about standing it up or spinning the back tire when you don't want to.

The guy in question in this thread, cause it seems quite a few people have missed it, is that he has already been riding a 125cc. How long is unknown, but it's a good point to bring up that this guy isn't hopping straight onto an 05 R6 and blasting away.
 
patsfan1379 said:
yes he will be able to handle it. people overdramatize the skill it takes to ride a bike.
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OVERDRAMATIZE??? Have you ever even riden a sport bike? There is a massive difference between the skill level it takes to ride a 125cc dirt bike and a 600cc or larger sport bike. IMO the stipulations for the way you get your motorcycle licence should be the same as getting your concealed carry permit. Not that the scenrios are the same but they should be applied to the motorcycle licence instead. You can't carry a weapon larger than they test with. Likewise you shouldn't be able to ride a bike bigger than you test on. I watch guys all the time test on a little dinky 125cc or 250cc bike, get their licence and then go out and buy some 1000cc rocket. Next thing you know you're reading about them in the obit's 'cause they wrapped around a tree or something like that.

He should definately take it easy and work his way up!
 
StickFigure said:
OVERDRAMATIZE??? Have you ever even riden a sport bike? There is a massive difference between the skill level it takes to ride a 125cc dirt bike and a 600cc or larger sport bike. IMO the stipulations for the way you get your motorcycle licence should be the same as getting your concealed carry permit. Not that the scenrios are the same but they should be applied to the motorcycle licence instead. You can't carry a weapon larger than they test with. Likewise you shouldn't be able to ride a bike bigger than you test on. I watch guys all the time test on a little dinky 125cc or 250cc bike, get their licence and then go out and buy some 1000cc rocket. Next thing you know you're reading about them in the obit's 'cause they wrapped around a tree or something like that.

He should definately take it easy and work his way up!
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Damn, dunno what state you're living in, but your CCW laws suck.

I think there should definetly be more extensive licensing requirements for motorcycles. MSF courses should be manditory, IMO. I think the beginner's course should be a requirement to get your permit and the intermediate course should be a requirement to get your license. The expert course should be there to help you reduce your insurance rates. The intermediate course was a requirement for me to get base stickers on my bike (to allow me to ride my motorcycle on a military installation).

I think in California completion of the beginner's course (and proof shown to the DMV) can waive your permit test. I know an MSF course used to be required in CA if you were under 21 and wanted to get your license.

Proper knowledge means a hell of a lot more than bike size, IMO.
 
crak600 said:
Damn, dunno what state you're living in, but your CCW laws suck.
Proper knowledge means a hell of a lot more than bike size, IMO.
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I should have been more clear. Our CCw laws used to suck. Now just about any swinging dick can carry w/o a permit but that's a different topic.

I agree with you to a certain degree on the knowledge v. bike size but I would have to say that you could have all the knowledge possible about riding and saftey but not just anyone could jump on a 1000RR or a Hyabusa and be safe to himself and others. The power to weight ratios of those bikes is nothing to take lightly. Experiance is a key ingredient along with the knowledge.
 
StickFigure said:
OVERDRAMATIZE??? Have you ever even riden a sport bike? There is a massive difference between the skill level it takes to ride a 125cc dirt bike and a 600cc or larger sport bike. IMO the stipulations for the way you get your motorcycle licence should be the same as getting your concealed carry permit. Not that the scenrios are the same but they should be applied to the motorcycle licence instead. You can't carry a weapon larger than they test with. Likewise you shouldn't be able to ride a bike bigger than you test on. I watch guys all the time test on a little dinky 125cc or 250cc bike, get their licence and then go out and buy some 1000cc rocket. Next thing you know you're reading about them in the obit's 'cause they wrapped around a tree or something like that.

He should definately take it easy and work his way up!
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you have your opinion, I have mine. Thus the beauty of this world. To answer your question, yes I have ridden sport bikes for 3 years. I STARTED on a 1000cc bike too, I'm still alive. I'm not saying everyone is the same...

It isn't our responsibility to tell a person what he should and shouldn't do IMO.
 
I have been riding since I was 11. I bought my first bike with paper route money. It was a 1971 SL100 Honda. I now own a CBR 600 F4i and I will be donating that to my wife soon and picking up a 1000rr most likely. Anyways, I don't really think it matters what bike you get. Like someone else said, if you are a cock, you are still gonna be a cock on a smaller bike. If you are a level headed person, you will be fine. Just like that other post where the guy in Ferrari crashes. I bet you any amount of money that you could put that guy in a Pinto, and he still couldn't drive it for shit. Yes, the newer 600s have a shitload of power, and the newer 1000s have even more and only weight a few pounds more than the 600s, but if you respect the bike and yourself, you will be find on anything you ride on. That being said, if he is fairly new to riding, have him get an older bike. Not so much for the less power factor, but because it will cost less to repair if he dumps it and he won't have to pay much for it to begin with.
 
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