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Soo isnt Mdrol and Beastdrol the same thing? (NEEDTO)
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oh, sorry about that. I thought you abbreviated monsterdrol when you were talking about same ingrediants
needtogetaas
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A few things to think about.
1. The last time Competitive Edge Labs had that rpoduct tested was jun 1 2007. That is the last testing on the DA listings for the product. At that time there price was 59.95 a bottle. They still use that same 2007 test on there web site. You would think a lab with that much cash flow would have no problem getting the lab test updated at least once or twice in the last 2 years?
A quick search around this site and around the internet (not a site that has them as a sponsor) you will see the very very pore feedback all over the place in the last year.
(I have never, not once gained more then 2-3lbs on m-drol. For some resone m-drol does nothing for me. I put 10lbs minimum on with other phs)
(Originally Posted by bigbb123 View Post
Ok, so i started a 6 week pulse of superdrol (M-drol) about 2 and a half weeks ago and i have seen nothing. Nada. Not a single change except maybe some back pumps but i get those alot anyway so its not really a big deal. The m-drol in case any one was interested was the same batch that a few of you guys comlplained didnt work, not sure wat it was but i think its 092107 or something like that. SO my question is, now that i have epi on hand, do you think i should just restart my cycle with the epi. BTW its gunna hopefully be 40/40/40 for 3 weeks and on the last week i was planing on bumping it up to 50/50/50. Any input would be great appreciated!
Thanks
Ray)
The results up to this point. Up to day 10, no noticable increase in size or strength. Scale was steady. I increased carbs and cleaned up my diet, weight went up 4 pounds in 3 days and muscles started filling out. However, after working outside, and sweating for a bit and using the restroom to relieve myself of extra food weight, those pounds fall off. Right now, I'm up about 2/3 lbs. cold in the morning, and up about 6 pounds on work out days, when muscles are pumped and stomach is full. Strength increase is significantly underwhelming. Some compound lifts have gone up 10 or 15 pounds, and 5 to 10 pounds on isolation exercises. I've added drop sets to bench, squat, and barbell rows. Muscles feel very sore, and fatigued for a good 4 days after working out.
(I'm pretty disappointed up to this point, and I'm hoping the biggest gains are still ahead. I'm taking an extra rest day this week just in case the extra volume is pushing me near overtraining. My GI has also been giving me trouble (bloating, aches, diharrea) probably from the amount of food I've been consuming. My goal was 12 pounds, and with 12 days left, that would mean I'd have to stack on .8 pounds per day which is unlikely. Even knowing how harsh this was going to be, I wouldn't mind pushing through it, if it meant moderate gains in size, but right now it seems like the sides may be outweighing the gains.)
(There is allot of hype about m-drol around the net so i gave it a run to see what its all about. I ran it as high as 100mg and pretty much felt nothing. Comparing it to epi is like chalk and cheese, with epi i felt pumped and had a noticable change in attitude, strength and shape. H-drol not even strength gains came faster than normal.
Anyone else had experience with m-drol/clones?)
(I got a ton of water retention off it. Which looked cool but I didn't gain any strenght, so I would not recommend it at all its not worth your health. PCT has been a freakin' nightmare, feeling lethargic all the time, no energy, just an all around weak feeling. I've never felt like that after Phera. ) hell if I know what was in this guys m-drol lol
(Originally Posted by dawaro View Post
Not to add fuel to the fire but I was on the 2nd week of a cycle using the batch in question and at the end of the week had no gains, actually had a 3# loss. I am eating 3200-3500 cals a day on a 55 protien/25 carb/20 fat diet. Training method is the Max-OT program. In addition to no gains I have also had no sides at all.
Anyway long story short I switched ot a different batch, 072107 I think, and after the third day I can tell a major difference in todays work out and the sides are kicking in, minor joint pain and lethargy. I am currently at 2 caps a day.
You be the judge...)
(finished my first 2 weeks @ 20 mg. calories, including carbs, are high in the 4-5k range. ABSOLUTELY nothing! no sides, either, which concerns me more than the gains. I was expecting some acne or something but nothing. I am upping it to 30 mg today.)
(I know there was a thread a while back about possible a bad batch of it - at least some purchased through TF Supps. It didn't have the date posted anywhere on it. Do you have a lot # on the bottle?)
(i have read about some other people not getting results and was wondering if i should start worrying. i've upped my dose and am gonna ride it out. i don't want a bad experience, i'd rather have the gains!)
post like this ^^^^^^^ all over the internet about the products. Some of the site I did not want to post the links to. However I will post this link as we all know the damn site anyway.
M-Drol Completely Ineffective?? - Bodybuilding.com Forums
lots of unhappy people in this thread and lost of the same talk about under dosed batches and product contamination .
found this link^^^ from this guy
(We have never had ANY mdrol batches to test bad before or after capsulation....<-- quoting a Rep
ahahaha
Please refer to M-Drol Completely Ineffective?? - Bodybuilding.com Forums
Update at the end of the cycle- NOTHING AT !@#$#@ ALL
)
He was so displeased he felt the need to spread this link all over the internet.
Originally Posted by bLacKjAck. View Post
I ran Mdrol a couple months ago...mine was total bunk. Went up to 40mg/day and felt NOTHING...this isn't normal for Superdrol...
(I would just not buy anything CompEdgeLabs if I were you man. I promise you that Mdrol that I had was TOTAL bunk.
And I, myself don't prefer buying from a company whose owner lies about who he really is. Something fishy about that. CompEdgeLabs = SNS. The owner (Bryan, I THINK) is the same guy as Steve with SNS.)
These are not my words. These are the words of others.
You have the reviews you can do the math on your own now. Just do a lot of searching and find sites that they are not a sponsor on. ha ha even though they are a sponsor on bb.com a guess that thread went un seen.
Now on to onefew more points about my product. Not only does it have the 10mg active superdrol per cap. But it also has L-Carnintine L-Tartrate 500mgs per pill which m-drol and other superdrol sups do not have.
L-Carnitine L-Tartrate (LCLT) is a bioavailable form of the conditionally essential amino acid derivative, L-carnitine. L-Carnitine is synthesized in the body from the essential amino acids L-lysine and L-methionine, and requires many other vital nutrient for its formation including vitamins C and B6, niacin, and iron. Deficiencies in any of these nutrients can lead to an L-carnitine deficiency. L-Carnitine is found in virtually every cell in the body, and consequently L-carnitine has many effects. On a biochemical level L-carnitine has an essential role as a transporter for fat into mitochondria. Without L-carnitine, the body would be unable to use fat as an energy source.
LCLT in particular appears to be a promising form of L-carnitine. In a 2002 placebo-controlled study, research subjects performed intense anaerobic exercise. Those taking 2 grams daily of LCLT had much higher levels of exercise-induced anabolic hormone response and had less muscle tissue damage during the recovery phase. LCLT has also been shown to be very bioavailable and one of the most rapidly absorbed commercially available carnitine salts.
Antioxidant effects
The carnitines exert a substantial antioxidant action, thereby providing a protective effect against lipid peroxidation of phospholipid membranes and against oxidative stress induced at the myocardial and endothelial cell level. [7]
Effects on diabetes
L-Carnitine improved glucose disposal among 15 patients with type II diabetes and 20 healthy volunteers.[8] Glucose storage increased between both groups, but glucose oxidation increased only in the diabetic group. Finally, glucose uptake increased about 8% for both.
Effect in Male infertility
The use of carnitine showed some promise in a controlled trial in selected cases of male infertility improving sperm quality.[9]
Regular supplements of L-carnitine, contributes to energy metabolism and improved neurotransmitter function in the brain in elderly
needtogetaas
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Mechanism of Action: L-Carnitine Within The Body
L-Carnitine functions as a biocatalyst, in other words L-Carnitine shuttles long and medium chain fatty acids across the cell wall and into the mitochondria (the cell's furnace). This shuttling enables the muscle cell to utilize essential fatty acids as a substrate (source) for energy metabolism. Converting triglycerides into free fatty acids (fatty acid oxidation) then liberates large amounts of energy. This release of energy provides the muscle it's major source of fuel. 8,9,10,11 For those individuals that continue to use anabolic steroids (I realize they are illegal, but there are many that continue to use them anyway) know that their serum cholesterol and triglyceride levels tend to rise sharply during their cycle. Even birth control pills have demonstrated a rise in both serum cholesterol and triglycerides, and L-Carnitine has proven it's ability to lower both cholesterol and triglycerides.12,13
Myocardial Considerations and L-Carnitine
The most noteworthy benefits which have been observed by the addition of L-Carnitine supplementation has been for those individuals with heart disease. L-Carnitine supplementation improved stress tolerance in patients with angina, while improving the performance of the ischemic heart (when the muscle does not receive adequate blood supply). 14 Oral L-Carnitine increases the pacing of the ischemic heart, more specifically it will assist in maintaining the integrity of the heart muscle for a longer duration as exercise loads increase.15 This has direct clinical applications for those individuals suffering from angina. Researchers have found that exercise time was improved after oral supplementation of L-Carnitine.16 Increases in the intensity of exercise was noted while the individual was able to maintain the same exercise heart rate while on L-Carnitine supplementation.17 The use of L-Carnitine has been observed to prevent the occurrence of ventricular fibrillation (a potentially deadly arrhythmia) in early phases of ischemia.18 In a related area, L-Carnitine has shown major clinical applications in lower hyperlipidemia (high cholesterol). This action is achieved by L-Carnitine selectively targeting lipoprotein receptors. Furthermore, clinical studies with the administration of L-Carnitine found that a dramatic decrease in triglyceride levels while increasing HDL serum levels.19 By improving the ratio of HDL total serum cholesterol to LDL serum cholesterol, carnitine minimizes one of the major risk factors associated with coronary heart disease.
L-Carnitine and Toxicity
Due to the high concentration of L-Carnitine in skeletal muscle, serum levels and urinary excretion have led to extensive investigations by researchers. Patients with muscular weakness have been treated successfully with L-Carnitine. 20 The anti-fatigue effects of oral ingestion of L-Carnitine have been studies in healthy individuals who suffer from physiological Hypoxia ( a condition of inadequate oxygen supply to meet the demand which causes increased respiration and heart rate).21
This condition can also occur during prolonged extreme muscular effort such as a marathon or iron man/women competition. One of the major benefits of L-Carnitine administration in both healthy and disease is the lack of toxicity. There are no changes in bowel habits, no associated nausea, or vomiting. The only side effect noted with L-Carnitine has been a modest state of euphoria, which will could all benefit from time to time to improve our state of mind.
The other type of Carnitine, DL-Carnitine, a synthetic analogue should only be used in a clinical setting under the care of a physician due to the possibility of serious side effects that are associated with it's use.22
L-Carnitine functions as a biocatalyst, in other words L-Carnitine shuttles long and medium chain fatty acids across the cell wall and into the mitochondria (the cell's furnace). This shuttling enables the muscle cell to utilize essential fatty acids as a substrate (source) for energy metabolism. Converting triglycerides into free fatty acids (fatty acid oxidation) then liberates large amounts of energy. This release of energy provides the muscle it's major source of fuel. 8,9,10,11 For those individuals that continue to use anabolic steroids (I realize they are illegal, but there are many that continue to use them anyway) know that their serum cholesterol and triglyceride levels tend to rise sharply during their cycle. Even birth control pills have demonstrated a rise in both serum cholesterol and triglycerides, and L-Carnitine has proven it's ability to lower both cholesterol and triglycerides.12,13
Myocardial Considerations and L-Carnitine
The most noteworthy benefits which have been observed by the addition of L-Carnitine supplementation has been for those individuals with heart disease. L-Carnitine supplementation improved stress tolerance in patients with angina, while improving the performance of the ischemic heart (when the muscle does not receive adequate blood supply). 14 Oral L-Carnitine increases the pacing of the ischemic heart, more specifically it will assist in maintaining the integrity of the heart muscle for a longer duration as exercise loads increase.15 This has direct clinical applications for those individuals suffering from angina. Researchers have found that exercise time was improved after oral supplementation of L-Carnitine.16 Increases in the intensity of exercise was noted while the individual was able to maintain the same exercise heart rate while on L-Carnitine supplementation.17 The use of L-Carnitine has been observed to prevent the occurrence of ventricular fibrillation (a potentially deadly arrhythmia) in early phases of ischemia.18 In a related area, L-Carnitine has shown major clinical applications in lower hyperlipidemia (high cholesterol). This action is achieved by L-Carnitine selectively targeting lipoprotein receptors. Furthermore, clinical studies with the administration of L-Carnitine found that a dramatic decrease in triglyceride levels while increasing HDL serum levels.19 By improving the ratio of HDL total serum cholesterol to LDL serum cholesterol, carnitine minimizes one of the major risk factors associated with coronary heart disease.
L-Carnitine and Toxicity
Due to the high concentration of L-Carnitine in skeletal muscle, serum levels and urinary excretion have led to extensive investigations by researchers. Patients with muscular weakness have been treated successfully with L-Carnitine. 20 The anti-fatigue effects of oral ingestion of L-Carnitine have been studies in healthy individuals who suffer from physiological Hypoxia ( a condition of inadequate oxygen supply to meet the demand which causes increased respiration and heart rate).21
This condition can also occur during prolonged extreme muscular effort such as a marathon or iron man/women competition. One of the major benefits of L-Carnitine administration in both healthy and disease is the lack of toxicity. There are no changes in bowel habits, no associated nausea, or vomiting. The only side effect noted with L-Carnitine has been a modest state of euphoria, which will could all benefit from time to time to improve our state of mind.
The other type of Carnitine, DL-Carnitine, a synthetic analogue should only be used in a clinical setting under the care of a physician due to the possibility of serious side effects that are associated with it's use.22
well i have ran mdrol 3 times over the last 2 years and all 3 have been very successfull. i dont need to hear others feedback on a few who didnt like the mdrol bc it was one of the best orals i ever did. All I was asking was is your beastdrol the same as mdrol? its ok to admitted it. i already spent $100 in your product. I was just a little disappointed when noticed its the same chemical compound as mdrol when mdrol is much cheaper.
needtogetaas
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HERE ARE SOME INTERESTING ABSTRACTS ON L-CARNITINE-L-TARTRATE:
1: Metabolism. 2002 Nov;51(11):1389-91.
Effects of oral L-carnitine supplementation on in vivo long-chain fatty acid oxidation in healthy adults.
Muller DM, Seim H, Kiess W, Loster H, Richter T.
University of Leipzig, Children's Hospital, Germany.
Despite an abundance of literature describing the basic mechanisms of action of L-carnitine metabolism, there remains some uncertainty regarding the effects of oral L-carnitine supplementation on in vivo fatty acid oxidation in normal subjects under normal conditions. It is well known that L-carnitine normalizes the metabolism of long-chain fatty acids in cases of carnitine deficiency. However, it has not yet been shown that L-carnitine influences the metabolism of long-chain fatty acids in subjects without disturbances in fatty acid metabolism. Therefore, we investigated the effects of oral L-carnitine supplementation on in vivo long-chain fatty acid oxidation by measuring 1-[(13)C] palmitic acid oxidation in healthy subjects before and after L-carnitine supplementation (3 x 1 g/d for 10 days). We observed a significant increase in (13)CO(2) exhalation. This is the first investigation to conclusively demonstrate that oral L-carnitine supplementation results in an increase in long-chain fatty acid oxidation in vivo in subjects without L-carnitine deficiency or without prolonged fatty acid metabolism. Copyright 2002, Elsevier Science (USA). All rights reserved.
2: J Strength Cond Res. 2003 Aug;17(3):455-62.
The effects of L-carnitine L-tartrate supplementation on hormonal responses to resistance exercise and recovery.
Kraemer WJ, Volek JS, French DN, Rubin MR, Sharman MJ, Gomez AL, Ratamess NA, Newton RU, Jemiolo B, Craig BW, Hakkinen K.
Human Performance Laboratory, Department of Kinesiology, University of Connecticut, Storrs, CT 06269, USA. [email protected]
The purpose of this investigation was to examine the influence of L-carnitine L-tartrate (LCLT) supplementation using a balanced, cross-over, placebo-controlled research design on the anabolic hormone response (i.e., testosterone [T], insulin-like growth factor-I, insulin-like growth factor-binding protein-3 [IGFBP-3], and immunofunctional and immunoreactive growth hormone [GHif and GHir]) to acute resistance exercise. Ten healthy, recreationally weight-trained men (mean +/- SD age 23.7 +/- 2.3 years, weight 78.7 +/- 8.5 kg, and height 179.2 +/- 4.6 cm) volunteered and were matched, and after 3 weeks of supplementation (2 g LCLT per day), fasting morning blood samples were obtained on six consecutive days (D1-D6). Subjects performed a squat protocol (5 sets of 15-20 repetitions) on D2. During the squat protocol, blood samples were obtained before exercise and 0, 15, 30, 120, and 180 minutes postexercise. After a 1-week washout period, subjects consumed the other supplement for a 3-week period, and the same experimental protocol was repeated using the exact same procedures. Expected exercise-induced increases in all of the hormones were observed for GHir, GHif, IGFBP-3, and T. Over the recovery period, LCLT reduced the amount of exercise-induced muscle tissue damage, which was assessed via magnetic resonance imaging scans of the thigh. LCLT supplementation significantly (p < 0.05) increased IGFBP-3 concentrations prior to and at 30, 120, and 180 minutes after acute exercise. No other direct effects of LCLT supplementation were observed on the absolute concentrations of the hormones examined, but with more undamaged tissue, a greater number of intact receptors would be available for hormonal interactions. These data support the use of LCLT as a recovery supplement for hypoxic exercise and lend further insights into the hormonal mechanisms that may help to mediate quicker recovery.
3: Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2002 Feb;282(2):E474-82.
L-Carnitine L-tartrate supplementation favorably affects markers of recovery from exercise stress.
Volek JS, Kraemer WJ, Rubin MR, Gomez AL, Ratamess NA, Gaynor P.
Human Performance Laboratory, Department of Kinesiology, University of Connecticut, Storrs, Connecticut 06269, USA. [email protected]
We examined the influence of L-carnitine L-tartrate (LCLT) on markers of purine catabolism, free radical formation, and muscle tissue disruption after squat exercise. With the use of a balanced, crossover design (1 wk washout), 10 resistance-trained men consumed a placebo or LCLT supplement (2 g L-carnitine/day) for 3 wk before obtaining blood samples on six consecutive days (D1 to D6). Blood was also sampled before and after a squat protocol (5 sets, 15-20 repetitions) on D2. Muscle tissue disruption at the midthigh was assessed using magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) before exercise and on D3 and D6. Exercise-induced increases in plasma markers of purine catabolism (hypoxanthine, xanthine oxidase, and serum uric acid) and circulating cytosolic proteins (myoglobin, fatty acid-binding protein, and creatine kinase) were significantly (P < or = 0.05) attenuated by LCLT. Exercise-induced increases in plasma malondialdehyde returned to resting values sooner during LCLT compared with placebo. The amount of muscle disruption from MRI scans during LCLT was 41-45% of the placebo area. These data indicate that LCLT supplementation is effective in assisting recovery from high-repetition squat exercise.
1: Metabolism. 2002 Nov;51(11):1389-91.
Effects of oral L-carnitine supplementation on in vivo long-chain fatty acid oxidation in healthy adults.
Muller DM, Seim H, Kiess W, Loster H, Richter T.
University of Leipzig, Children's Hospital, Germany.
Despite an abundance of literature describing the basic mechanisms of action of L-carnitine metabolism, there remains some uncertainty regarding the effects of oral L-carnitine supplementation on in vivo fatty acid oxidation in normal subjects under normal conditions. It is well known that L-carnitine normalizes the metabolism of long-chain fatty acids in cases of carnitine deficiency. However, it has not yet been shown that L-carnitine influences the metabolism of long-chain fatty acids in subjects without disturbances in fatty acid metabolism. Therefore, we investigated the effects of oral L-carnitine supplementation on in vivo long-chain fatty acid oxidation by measuring 1-[(13)C] palmitic acid oxidation in healthy subjects before and after L-carnitine supplementation (3 x 1 g/d for 10 days). We observed a significant increase in (13)CO(2) exhalation. This is the first investigation to conclusively demonstrate that oral L-carnitine supplementation results in an increase in long-chain fatty acid oxidation in vivo in subjects without L-carnitine deficiency or without prolonged fatty acid metabolism. Copyright 2002, Elsevier Science (USA). All rights reserved.
2: J Strength Cond Res. 2003 Aug;17(3):455-62.
The effects of L-carnitine L-tartrate supplementation on hormonal responses to resistance exercise and recovery.
Kraemer WJ, Volek JS, French DN, Rubin MR, Sharman MJ, Gomez AL, Ratamess NA, Newton RU, Jemiolo B, Craig BW, Hakkinen K.
Human Performance Laboratory, Department of Kinesiology, University of Connecticut, Storrs, CT 06269, USA. [email protected]
The purpose of this investigation was to examine the influence of L-carnitine L-tartrate (LCLT) supplementation using a balanced, cross-over, placebo-controlled research design on the anabolic hormone response (i.e., testosterone [T], insulin-like growth factor-I, insulin-like growth factor-binding protein-3 [IGFBP-3], and immunofunctional and immunoreactive growth hormone [GHif and GHir]) to acute resistance exercise. Ten healthy, recreationally weight-trained men (mean +/- SD age 23.7 +/- 2.3 years, weight 78.7 +/- 8.5 kg, and height 179.2 +/- 4.6 cm) volunteered and were matched, and after 3 weeks of supplementation (2 g LCLT per day), fasting morning blood samples were obtained on six consecutive days (D1-D6). Subjects performed a squat protocol (5 sets of 15-20 repetitions) on D2. During the squat protocol, blood samples were obtained before exercise and 0, 15, 30, 120, and 180 minutes postexercise. After a 1-week washout period, subjects consumed the other supplement for a 3-week period, and the same experimental protocol was repeated using the exact same procedures. Expected exercise-induced increases in all of the hormones were observed for GHir, GHif, IGFBP-3, and T. Over the recovery period, LCLT reduced the amount of exercise-induced muscle tissue damage, which was assessed via magnetic resonance imaging scans of the thigh. LCLT supplementation significantly (p < 0.05) increased IGFBP-3 concentrations prior to and at 30, 120, and 180 minutes after acute exercise. No other direct effects of LCLT supplementation were observed on the absolute concentrations of the hormones examined, but with more undamaged tissue, a greater number of intact receptors would be available for hormonal interactions. These data support the use of LCLT as a recovery supplement for hypoxic exercise and lend further insights into the hormonal mechanisms that may help to mediate quicker recovery.
3: Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2002 Feb;282(2):E474-82.
L-Carnitine L-tartrate supplementation favorably affects markers of recovery from exercise stress.
Volek JS, Kraemer WJ, Rubin MR, Gomez AL, Ratamess NA, Gaynor P.
Human Performance Laboratory, Department of Kinesiology, University of Connecticut, Storrs, Connecticut 06269, USA. [email protected]
We examined the influence of L-carnitine L-tartrate (LCLT) on markers of purine catabolism, free radical formation, and muscle tissue disruption after squat exercise. With the use of a balanced, crossover design (1 wk washout), 10 resistance-trained men consumed a placebo or LCLT supplement (2 g L-carnitine/day) for 3 wk before obtaining blood samples on six consecutive days (D1 to D6). Blood was also sampled before and after a squat protocol (5 sets, 15-20 repetitions) on D2. Muscle tissue disruption at the midthigh was assessed using magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) before exercise and on D3 and D6. Exercise-induced increases in plasma markers of purine catabolism (hypoxanthine, xanthine oxidase, and serum uric acid) and circulating cytosolic proteins (myoglobin, fatty acid-binding protein, and creatine kinase) were significantly (P < or = 0.05) attenuated by LCLT. Exercise-induced increases in plasma malondialdehyde returned to resting values sooner during LCLT compared with placebo. The amount of muscle disruption from MRI scans during LCLT was 41-45% of the placebo area. These data indicate that LCLT supplementation is effective in assisting recovery from high-repetition squat exercise.
needtogetaas
New member
And finely the L-Carnitine L-Tartrate (LCLT) is a absorption enhancer. so even if they have the exact same compound mine will be stronger. Will give better results. Many oral enhancer pattens have been made with L-Carnitine L-Tartrate (LCLT) in the. Adding L-Carnitine L-Tartrate (LCLT)
1. will off set some of the side effects commonly known with superdrol
2. 2 help oral absorbing
3. All the stuff I posted above^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Now lets also take into consideration the price of shipping as well.not everyone gives free shipping on all order no matter the size like I do.
Also Who the surce is you are buying from. For some people on the site it matters to them where there money is going and who is getting it. Ie a sponsor or not that kind of thing.
so taking into consideration all that I have posted. I think the product is worth the extra 10-20 if that.
1. will off set some of the side effects commonly known with superdrol
2. 2 help oral absorbing
3. All the stuff I posted above^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Now lets also take into consideration the price of shipping as well.not everyone gives free shipping on all order no matter the size like I do.
Also Who the surce is you are buying from. For some people on the site it matters to them where there money is going and who is getting it. Ie a sponsor or not that kind of thing.
so taking into consideration all that I have posted. I think the product is worth the extra 10-20 if that.
so how would u recommend takin it all 3 caps spreadout thru the day or all 3 before workout? since im more advanced and have ran cycles both legal and illegal for the last 6 years would u recommend me running beastdrol at 40mg? i also ordered ur tren and gonna run it along with the beastdrol. whats ur suggestions needto?
needtogetaas
New member
3 caps each bro. even with your experence with superdrol products you will notice how mine effects you bro. How much stronger it is in the formula that its in. Now dabuff likes to run it at 40mg ed but I don't feel there is a need to.
well rather your wanting feed back on others or not i have ran mdrol and yes it was successfull but didnt impress me too much i am taking beastrol and it does give you more pump already that i have noticed and for one i thought i owed needto enough to take his word that has helped me out so much over the last few years to try his product that he told me himself would work great and i would much rather him be getting my money than any other supplier that i have never even spoke to but another thing is if you go back and look at all of his info you can tell he does his research and if he was going to put a product on the market it would prob be one of the best
needtogetaas
New member
The added ingredents help enhance the effects of the product. It is deff the better product. Thanks bro.
wills_got_rythm
Banned
Man I just had to pipe in about Needto's products, I have run a six weeker of monsterdrol, the Needto monsterdrol and it was the shit and that was at only 15mg. I still have 4 bottles of that shit and Im gonna run 30mg starting monday. Just monsterdrol by itself though. Last time I ran cyclotren with it.
I cant wait cause I made some good gains and kept them!!
So Needto when are you gonna have some pct stuff?
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I cant wait cause I made some good gains and kept them!!
So Needto when are you gonna have some pct stuff?
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Needtobuildmuscle.com has a lot of things in the works.
partagus
New member
Even if it is the same samething (mdrol & beastdrol) wouldn't you feel more comfortable ordering from Needtoo? You know if there are ANY issues what so ever, he will take care of you.
You won't have to call some 1-800 and go through a voice automated system and wait on hold for 30 minutes to talk to an operator who could give two shits about you.
I always prefer to buy things from the sponsers of this website. I like to support EF and it's sponsers, and I always know if there are any questions or concerns, I can PM Needto (or the any other mod/sponser) and get a quick answer.
That's just how I feel about it.
You won't have to call some 1-800 and go through a voice automated system and wait on hold for 30 minutes to talk to an operator who could give two shits about you.
I always prefer to buy things from the sponsers of this website. I like to support EF and it's sponsers, and I always know if there are any questions or concerns, I can PM Needto (or the any other mod/sponser) and get a quick answer.
That's just how I feel about it.
needtogetaas
New member
just sent him a pm for you bro
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