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someone explain to me why iraqi's are only paying 5 cents a gallon for gas

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and me and curling are paying over $2.10 a gallon. there are people in iraq smuggling the gas they payed $0.05 a gallon for and taking it to neighboring countries and receiving over a $1.00 a gallon for it. i'm glad my fukin tax dollars are helping to support some scumbag smuggler on the other side of the world. for a country with 30% unemployment they should be able to keep busy by driving around and doing absolutely nothing except burn 5 cent a gallon gas. excellent
 
Devastation said:
and me and curling are paying over $2.10 a gallon. there are people in iraq smuggling the gas they payed $0.05 a gallon for and taking it to neighboring countries and receiving over a $1.00 a gallon for it. i'm glad my fukin tax dollars are helping to support some scumbag smuggler on the other side of the world. for a country with 30% unemployment they should be able to keep busy by driving around and doing absolutely nothing except burn 5 cent a gallon gas. excellent
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I used to have a buddy who was an Iraqi refugee and he used to say gas is like water over there. They used it for anything they could including cleaning sidewalks and all sorts of silly shit. He also claimed that it was essentially free, if you filled up at a gas station and then told the clerk you didn't have any money they would let you off with an IOU. He also said that over half the food available in stores over there is rotten. I'll take high gas prices over shitty food and rampant lawlessness any day.
 
Ask the iraqi you're so jealous of -- how much it costs him to get a nice Alpine head stereo and DVD player for his SUV. :)
 
Razorguns said:
Ask the iraqi you're so jealous of -- how much it costs him to get a nice Alpine head stereo and DVD player for his SUV. :)
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let them call pimp my ride

i'll take lower gas prices for higher priced dvd and alpine steroes any day. i buy ONE of those. i buy 90 gallons of gas a week
 
They produce it maing, and if they paid even 50c a gallon they'd be fucked. What is the living wage there? Isnt it just over 100 a month?


Not to mention they arent saddled down with exorbitant fuel taxes hidden into the cost like we are here
 
Devastation said:
their gas prices are being kept artificially low by the government
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And ours are kept artificially high.

In some states, gas is hit with excise taxes of over 50 cents before additional state and local taxes kick in. Sweet, huh?


Also there are some shipping issues that are less relevant to Iraqis.
 
hmmmmm... 2.10 a gallon, OY!


lets see, 95octane here is now... $6.45 a gallon.

Lets go for a cruise, eh?
 
ChefWide said:
hmmmmm... 2.10 a gallon, OY!


lets see, 95octane here is now... $6.45 a gallon.

Lets go for a cruise, eh?
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Is it really that high?

Thats insane.

How about heating fuel prices?
 
JerseyArt said:
What is the living wage there? Isnt it just over 100 a month?
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Our prices are high -- cuz us dumbasses can afford it, and will continue paying for it. Gas Stations are one of a handful of retail outlets, where higher prices don't affect their bottom line. I don't know any in my city who are going out of business.

In Iraq -- If the price there was the same as here -- no one could afford it. Point blank. With no one buying it, there'd be no profits for the companies. Hence why they set it to a level that is suitable for that area (plus they *can* do it -- since there's no taxes, and lot less shipping and refinement costs. Our gas isn't the same as theirs).

Free Markets set prices (with a hand in the cookie jar thanks to the government). Even *we* here in the US have a ceiling. If it gets too high that it gets to national crisis-level -- amazing how alternatives would get created in response.

Like the oil crisis 20 years ago. Amazing how it created a whole new trend of more efficient non-gas-guzzling cars in response. :)
 
i put only premium gas in my car.. cost me 35 to fill it up last night..
 
JerseyArt said:
Is it really that high?

Thats insane.

How about heating fuel prices?
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One small benefit is that iceland doesnt use any. Its all geothermal heat and geo and hydro generated electricity.
 
Errr.....

If a comodity is produced locally it doen't incur huge tax and import costs hence the drastically lower price.
 
This is the GOP's trade off to keep them happy for killing tens of thousands of their woman and children.

I wouldn't get to upset about it though, I think theres only like 7 iraqis that own cars anyhow-lol.

My irk (yes I understand commodities) is when a gas station has already purchased 50,000 gallons of gas at last weeks price and 1 minute later it's worth 2x as much. Rotten mother fukers!
 
I saw on the bloomberg channel not too long ago that prices today are actually lower per gallon if you adjust for inflation than they were during the mid 70's.
 
Curling sucks.
 
Stop buying huge gas guzzling vehicles you don't need and start writing your elected representatives indicating your desire to see oil dependency end. Until you do that, stop the whining.
 
bluepeter said:
Stop buying huge gas guzzling vehicles you don't need and start writing your elected representatives indicating your desire to see oil dependency end. Until you do that, stop the whining.
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Blowjobs. Blowjobs from you. :)
 
bluepeter said:
I don't really have an affinity for male Jacksonvillians, perhaps you could solicit jerseyart or gonelifting?
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I don't blame you.

I'm a NYer. See ya around 7PM? :)
 
bluepeter said:
Stop buying huge gas guzzling vehicles you don't need and start writing your elected representatives indicating your desire to see oil dependency end. Until you do that, stop the whining.
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My gf drives a 96 Civic and gets about 30mpg.

I drive an 03 Civic and get about 34mpg.

Both cars drink 89 octane.

I'm entitled to bitch about gas prices considering I burn 1 tank of gas a week and she burns 2 sometimes. A fillup from empty costs me $22 now and costs her $20. I don't have to be spending $40 at the pump every time to be pissed off about the gas prices, but people that drive trucks and SUVs "just because" don't have too much right to bitch about the gas prices. You bought it, you knew it wasn't going to get more than 18mpg, you should be prepared to pay the price. I drove an older S-10 Blazer for 2 years that got 16-18mpg. I knew gas wasn't going to be cheap, I spent $30 (sometimes more) at the pump. That's the price you pay for having a truck or an SUV, the same as buying a boat and paying for the upkeep (boat = hole in the water you throw money into).

None of the above statements are directed at anyone that NEEDS a truck/SUV/Van for business purposes, but that you should be able to swing as a tax writeoff anyway.
 
crak600 said:
My gf drives a 96 Civic and gets about 30mpg.

I drive an 03 Civic and get about 34mpg.

Both cars drink 89 octane.

I'm entitled to bitch about gas prices considering I burn 1 tank of gas a week and she burns 2 sometimes. A fillup from empty costs me $22 now and costs her $20. I don't have to be spending $40 at the pump every time to be pissed off about the gas prices, but people that drive trucks and SUVs "just because" don't have too much right to bitch about the gas prices. You bought it, you knew it wasn't going to get more than 18mpg, you should be prepared to pay the price. I drove an older S-10 Blazer for 2 years that got 16-18mpg. I knew gas wasn't going to be cheap, I spent $30 (sometimes more) at the pump. That's the price you pay for having a truck or an SUV, the same as buying a boat and paying for the upkeep (boat = hole in the water you throw money into).

None of the above statements are directed at anyone that NEEDS a truck/SUV/Van for business purposes, but that you should be able to swing as a tax writeoff anyway.
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What are you doing in the way of promoting an end to oil dependency?
 
bluepeter said:
What are you doing in the way of promoting an end to oil dependency?
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Dang, bluepeter. Lot some oxegen go to you brain as well as your penis. He said drives a honda. He also rides motorcycles.
 
curling said:
Dang, bluepeter. Lot some oxegen go to you brain as well as your penis. He said drives a honda. He also rides motorcycles.
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What is that doing to end our oil dependency? Not deriding the choice, it's a good one and is one part of the 2 items I initially mentioned.
 
bluepeter said:
What are you doing in the way of promoting an end to oil dependency?
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I own 2 Hondas.

I don't even know who my representatives are.

But if you happened to notice, I was supporting your arguement of people buying huge gas hogging SUVs and Trucks when they don't NEED them. Like my gf's mother who has a 4 door Exploder. WTF does she NEED an Exploder for? Not a damn thing. Before the Exploder, they had an older Exploder and a Ford Fuckus. Now they have a new Exploder and a V6 Ranger.

Oh yeah, when we were moving and picking up a stove from them, her stepfather didn't want to use his Ranger to haul it over to our place, so instead, we had to shove it into the back of our Blazer. Real nice use of a pickup, huh?
 
bluepeter said:
What are you doing in the way of promoting an end to oil dependency?
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I am actively trying to consume ALL the world's oil through using both large and inefficient vehicles and enormous residences in warm climates.

Doing my part, that's me. ;)

Conservation prolongs dependence. I like oxygen.
 
crak600 said:
I own 2 Hondas.

I don't even know who my representatives are.

But if you happened to notice, I was supporting your arguement of people buying huge gas hogging SUVs and Trucks when they don't NEED them. Like my gf's mother who has a 4 door Exploder. WTF does she NEED an Exploder for? Not a damn thing. Before the Exploder, they had an older Exploder and a Ford Fuckus. Now they have a new Exploder and a V6 Ranger.

Oh yeah, when we were moving and picking up a stove from them, her stepfather didn't want to use his Ranger to haul it over to our place, so instead, we had to shove it into the back of our Blazer. Real nice use of a pickup, huh?
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I noticed and agree 1000%.
 
MattTheSkywalker said:
I am actively trying to consume ALL the world's oil through using both large and inefficient vehicles and enormous residences in warm climates.

Doing my part, that's me. ;)

Conservation prolongs dependence. I like oxygen.
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You already know how much I disagree with that :)
 
bluepeter said:
You already know how much I disagree with that :)
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I agree with you too to an extent.

If china, us and india all "conserved" -- it would drop demand for oil. And with less demand -- prices would fall.

Someone explain why this isn't a desirable scenario?
 
Razorguns said:
I agree with you too to an extent.

If china, us and india all "conserved" -- it would drop demand for oil. And with less demand -- prices would fall.

Someone explain why this isn't a desirable scenario?
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Because we'd be stuck with oil longer.

Consume Consumer Consume. Drive the price UP. Only high prices will spur governments and corporations to act to develop alternatives.
 
MattTheSkywalker said:
Because we'd be stuck with oil longer.

Consume Consumer Consume. Drive the price UP. Only high prices will spur governments and corporations to act to develop alternatives.
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True.

But that may take 25 years, and in the meantime -- i'm out $35k extra.

what a lovely lose/lose situation. hehe. :)
 
bluepeter said:
I noticed and agree 1000%.
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Ok, but you asked me what I was doing to help put an end to oil dependency. My 2 gas sipping rice burners are helping out in that endeavor.

If I would've had an extra $10K to spend, I would have looked seriously at the Civic gas/electric hybrid.

If I would've had an extra $20K to spend, I would have looked seriously at the Accord gas/electric hybrid.

The Accord hybrid gets about as good of gas miliage as a non-hybrid Civic (mid to high 30mpg), but puts down over 200hp. The Civic hybrid gets about 50mpg. My 600cc motorcycle can't even compete with that. Under very extreme riding, the motorcycle gets 25-30mpg, maybe even a bit less. Commuting/long trips at legal speeds will get about 40mpg. 40mpg is definetly not bad from a machine capable of 156mph top speed.
 
there is actually a huge influx of vehicles in iraq right now. when hussein was in power, citizens there actually had to have permission to own a vehicle. now that's changed and everyone has one. the lines to the pumps in iraq are miles long. and as far as iraqi's being dead broke, that's bullshit too. many iraqi's who live in the city have plenty of discretionary spending and built up their savings until the elections there were completed. in the last 3 to 6 months they have started their own stock exchange and have 35 listed publicly traded companies. and no shit that they have advantages over there as far as transportation of oil is concerned, however so do neighboring countries that charge MORE THAN A $1 a gallon. irag's refineries are terribley outdated and dilapidated (sp) and could potentially be pumping out 50% more refined gasoline then they currently are. yes it would cost millions and millions of dollars to bring them up to date, but that would be a better and more feasible option than american's subsidizing 95% of every gallon they pump into their vehicle

the world's reliance on oil is terrible, BUT that's where we are at today. it's fuked how we are going about resolving it
 
bdog527 said:
I saw on the bloomberg channel not too long ago that prices today are actually lower per gallon if you adjust for inflation than they were during the mid 70's.
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yep, inflation adjusted would peg it around $90/barrel as opposed to the current $55 level today.
 
it's everywhere over there, plus it is sort of like compensation for all the shit going on

Whiskey
 
crak600 said:
Ok, but you asked me what I was doing to help put an end to oil dependency. My 2 gas sipping rice burners are helping out in that endeavor.

If I would've had an extra $10K to spend, I would have looked seriously at the Civic gas/electric hybrid.

If I would've had an extra $20K to spend, I would have looked seriously at the Accord gas/electric hybrid.

The Accord hybrid gets about as good of gas miliage as a non-hybrid Civic (mid to high 30mpg), but puts down over 200hp. The Civic hybrid gets about 50mpg. My 600cc motorcycle can't even compete with that. Under very extreme riding, the motorcycle gets 25-30mpg, maybe even a bit less. Commuting/long trips at legal speeds will get about 40mpg. 40mpg is definetly not bad from a machine capable of 156mph top speed.
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Good stuff. I'm just saying that this is conservation stuff and we need to initiate action in getting rid of our dependency. Being concientious and conservative won't do that although it's great. Getting some action is obviously the much harder part and I don't pretend to think writing letters is going to get anywhere. It won't stop me from trying to get my voice and those of many others heard though.
 
bluepeter said:
Good stuff. I'm just saying that this is conservation stuff and we need to initiate action in getting rid of our dependency. Being concientious and conservative won't do that although it's great. Getting some action is obviously the much harder part and I don't pretend to think writing letters is going to get anywhere. It won't stop me from trying to get my voice and those of many others heard though.
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there are many companies working on alternative energy though, you know that right? well funded by venture capital or being worked on in house by oil companies today.

there is a serious reward here if you succeed it hasn't gone unnoticed :)

however, the best alternative energy right now still costs almost 3x to use than oil, and that is WITH government subsidies.

they estimate the technology will take 10-15 years to bring costs in line with oil

however if oil prices were to say, double, that gap would narrow much more quickly.
 
bran987 said:
there are many companies working on alternative energy though, you know that right? well funded by venture capital or being worked on in house by oil companies today.

there is a serious reward here if you succeed it hasn't gone unnoticed :)

however, the best alternative energy right now still costs almost 3x to use than oil, and that is WITH government subsidies.

they estimate the technology will take 10-15 years to bring costs in line with oil

however if oil prices were to say, double, that gap would narrow much more quickly.
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I know. The more money and research that is put into it, the more alternatives and better solutions will follow. The price will also go down. 10-15 years is a government/oil industry estimate I bet ;)
 
bluepeter said:
I know. The more money and research that is put into it, the more alternatives and better solutions will follow. The price will also go down. 10-15 years is a government/oil industry estimate I bet ;)
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I knew you knew. yew so smart it's like BAM
 
bluepeter said:
Stop buying huge gas guzzling vehicles you don't need and start writing your elected representatives indicating your desire to see oil dependency end. Until you do that, stop the whining.
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No. Please keep buying gas guzzlers you don't need and fill up your tanks every day. Be sure to keep 50 gallons spare in your trunck or truck bed too please. Thank you for your support. :evil:

I love having the company I work for pay for my gas, it just warms my heart.
 
mountain muscle said:
No. Please keep buying gas guzzlers you don't need and fill up your tanks every day. Be sure to keep 50 gallons spare in your trunck or truck bed too please. Thank you for your support. :evil:

I love having the company I work for pay for my gas, it just warms my heart.
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lmao

You shutup.
 
Devastation said:
let them call pimp my ride

i'll take lower gas prices for higher priced dvd and alpine steroes any day. i buy ONE of those. i buy 90 gallons of gas a week
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90 Gallons a week!!!! :eek2:
This makes me glad I drive a sports compact even I need to fill it up with premium for optimum performance.
 
bluepeter said:
I know. The more money and research that is put into it, the more alternatives and better solutions will follow. The price will also go down. 10-15 years is a government/oil industry estimate I bet ;)
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what alternative are you suggesting?

and will this alternative be used in all modes of transportation, planes, trains and automobiles?

and do we mandate companies to invest in R&D, testing, phasing in, and building an infrastructure for such alternative?

no amount of complaining, whinning, or bitching in the whole world is gonna change the fact that crude is the best source available and will be until it runs completely out. period.
 
Slap a $4 per gal tax on gas and use the proceeds to offset reduced federal income taxes. In the meantime watch all those 10 gal per mile Hummers and Excursions disappear along with the tons of toxic emissions while auto manufacturers spit out 60 mile per gal hybrids by the millions. Cut our dependence on foreign oil by 50% and erase the need to drill in Alaska.
 
hooch said:
Slap a $4 per gal tax on gas and use the proceeds to offset reduced federal income taxes. In the meantime watch all those 10 gal per mile Hummers and Excursions disappear along with the tons of toxic emissions while auto manufacturers spit out 60 mile per gal hybrids by the millions. Cut our dependence on foreign oil by 50% and erase the need to drill in Alaska.
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well considering the thread is about the disparity between the price of iraqi gasoline and american gasoline, i'll consider your suggestion the most ignorant fucking thing said in this thread.

not to mention the brilliant idea of increasing the cost of a gallon of gasoline by 200%, bringing the cost to a approx. $6 a gallon. but only increasing the gas milage of a vehicle by 300%, at 60mi. to the gallon leaves the conclusion that you are one dumb bastard. please see example.


1000mi trip devided by 20mi/gal. = 50gal. times $2/gal = $100

1000mi trip devided by 60mi/gal. = 16.66gal. times $6/gal = $100

;)
 
spongebob said:
well considering the thread is about the disparity between the price of iraqi gasoline and american gasoline, i'll consider your suggestion the most ignorant fucking thing said in this thread.

not to mention the brilliant idea of increasing the cost of a gallon of gasoline by 200%, bringing the cost to a approx. $6 a gallon. but only increasing the gas milage of a vehicle by 300%, at 60mi. to the gallon leaves the conclusion that you are one dumb bastard. please see example.


1000mi trip devided by 20mi/gal. = 50gal. times $2/gal = $100

1000mi trip devided by 60mi/gal. = 16.66gal. times $6/gal = $100

;)
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My post was directed at the people in this thread who brought up our dependency on foreign oil shit-for-brains. And you proved my point without even realizing it dumbass. Using your calculations the trip would still cost the same but would use approx 2/3 less gas.

Oh yeah..you spelled divided wrong...twice.
 
hooch said:
My post was directed at the people in this thread who brought up our dependency on foreign oil shit-for-brains. And you proved my point without even realizing it dumbass. Using your calculations the trip would still cost the same but would use approx 2/3 less gas.

Oh yeah..you spelled divided wrong...twice.
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i didnt prove your point dipshit. my post is based on the context of the thread being about the disparity of gasoline prices between iraq and america. thats why i said that in my post. ;)

people are bitching about the price not dependency. the ones that are bitching about dependency are referring to the price. using your tax hike, we would still pay the same even with an economical vehicle, meaning, people will still bitch about the price. ;)
 
Devastation said:
and me and curling are paying over $2.10 a gallon. there are people in iraq smuggling the gas they payed $0.05 a gallon for and taking it to neighboring countries and receiving over a $1.00 a gallon for it. i'm glad my fukin tax dollars are helping to support some scumbag smuggler on the other side of the world. for a country with 30% unemployment they should be able to keep busy by driving around and doing absolutely nothing except burn 5 cent a gallon gas. excellent
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They pay that because they own the fucking oil man. You're really going to begrudge them for that when you're sitting here in the USA ?
 
Razorguns said:
True.

But that may take 25 years, and in the meantime -- i'm out $35k extra.

what a lovely lose/lose situation. hehe. :)
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Maybe less than 25 years. They already had electric Jeeps back in WWII. Of course these were experimental but better than nothing. We weren't interested in other alternatives otherwise it would be out there.

Btw folks, taxes (all kinds) represent a good 65% of the cost here so here's the problem.
 
I honestly think this thread is silly as hell. After all these people have been through because of their own leader and taking the brunt of the fallout from his actions people in the US and other places are bitching because they only pay 5c a gallon amidst terrorist bombings, incomplete infrastructure, etc etc... jeeeeeeeeez
 
spongebob said:
what alternative are you suggesting?

and will this alternative be used in all modes of transportation, planes, trains and automobiles?

and do we mandate companies to invest in R&D, testing, phasing in, and building an infrastructure for such alternative?

no amount of complaining, whinning, or bitching in the whole world is gonna change the fact that crude is the best source available and will be until it runs completely out. period.
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Great. So by all means let's continue with the status quo because it's hard to change even though it will be a million times better for everyone once the change is made.
 
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