some shrinkage already!!!

[warrior08]

ok i think im going to follow joe d advice and get some hcgenrate for the rest of my cycle and then run hcg 1000iu eod for 10 days, then do my pct. my question is when should i start the hcg right after like joe d said or wait two weeks? thanks for all he input guys

 

[pbhardbody]

Sorry, but this is incorrect. Proviron does not keep natural test production up. It suppresses it. It increases FREE testosterone (as does UNLEASHED) but will lower overall testosterone (UNLEASHED does not).

Small does of HCG are worthless. You're better off with a shot of HMG or use HCGenerate. Also, 3 weeks of 50 mgs of Anadrol is very suppressive.

Nelson - what I should have said is that it keeps your natural testosterone levels up... (not production).

this is from steroid dot com:

"if you are taking a simple stack of proviron and testosterone, you´ll have more of the test you shoot as free testosterone floating around building muscle (compliments of the Proviron), more androgen receptors to be bound to (compliments of your testosterone) by your Proviron, thus causing more fat loss. Testosterone and Proviron are a very nice synergistic stack, pretty nearly an "ideal" stack of an oral and injectable, because both drugs will actually act to enhance the effect of the other."

However, I would argue that it does not supress testosterone production. Read more from steroid dot com:

"When a reasonable dose of this stuff is given (100-150mgs/day), it had no depressing effect on low or normal serum FSH and LH levels (6). Follicle Stimulating Hormone (FSH) and Leutenizing Hormone (LH) are two hormones which send a signal to your testes to produce testosterone. Good news for people considering it for PCT is that it can even raise your LH (10)! Thus, by not suppressing those hormones and maybe even raising some, your normal testosterone levels will remain intact. This points to a novel use for this compound during Post-Cycyle-Therapy for a non-suppressive "bridge" between cycles. In fact, in yet another study, administration of Proviron (basically the same dose as in the last study) produced no changes in steroids, thyroid hormones, gonadotropins nor PRL (Prolactin Levels& you want those to remain low). (8)."

 

[warrior08]

Hcgenerate or proviron for the rest rest of my cycle.??? then HCG for pct. i would def like to support our sponsors here but i can get proviron for like half the price of the hcgenerate but im sure i could get the hcgenerate would come faster. idk

 

[joe d]

ok i think im going to follow joe d advice and get some hcgenrate for the rest of my cycle and then run hcg 1000iu eod for 10 days, then do my pct. my question is when should i start the hcg right after like joe d said or wait two weeks? thanks for all he input guys

you can wait a weak if you want but i like get started right away. hcg will still do the exact same thing while the test is still active so why not use it. your gear will have warn off by the time you start the actual pct.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Nelson - what I should have said is that it keeps your natural testosterone levels up... (not production).

this is from steroid dot com:

"if you are taking a simple stack of proviron and testosterone, you´ll have more of the test you shoot as free testosterone floating around building muscle (compliments of the Proviron), more androgen receptors to be bound to (compliments of your testosterone) by your Proviron, thus causing more fat loss. Testosterone and Proviron are a very nice synergistic stack, pretty nearly an "ideal" stack of an oral and injectable, because both drugs will actually act to enhance the effect of the other."

However, I would argue that it does not supress testosterone production. Read more from steroid dot com:

"When a reasonable dose of this stuff is given (100-150mgs/day), it had no depressing effect on low or normal serum FSH and LH levels (6). Follicle Stimulating Hormone (FSH) and Leutenizing Hormone (LH) are two hormones which send a signal to your testes to produce testosterone. Good news for people considering it for PCT is that it can even raise your LH (10)! Thus, by not suppressing those hormones and maybe even raising some, your normal testosterone levels will remain intact. This points to a novel use for this compound during Post-Cycyle-Therapy for a non-suppressive "bridge" between cycles. In fact, in yet another study, administration of Proviron (basically the same dose as in the last study) produced no changes in steroids, thyroid hormones, gonadotropins nor PRL (Prolactin Levels& you want those to remain low). (8)."

Okay...terminology. I still wouldn;t say it keep snatural production up. Although Proviron isn;t as suppressive as straight test, it will suppress over time and does not help in recuperating HPTA. It will delay it somewhat.

One advantage is that it can be used toward the end of a cycle to harden up and into PCT to maintain libido with "less" suppression. Though I have to say, with SARMS and UNLEASHED, Proviron is becoming an antiquated drug. UNLEASHED will increase free testosterone almost as well, also by lowering SHBG as is the case with Proviron.

On my last bloodtest my total T was 920 and my free T was 500. That's pretty damn good for an old fart. That's just from 100 mgs of enth and UNLEASHED every day.

SARMS will maintain more muscle than Proviron and the suppression is about equal. (Some will say SARMS isn't suppressive, but again, it's dose and duration related).

 

[treneriffic]

3 weeks of anadrol and 5 weeks of test is more than enough time for some ball shrinkage. As soon as your nuts thnk they dont need to make any test, they shut off and try to shrink to oblivion

 

[pbhardbody]

Okay...terminology. I still wouldn;t say it keep snatural production up. Although Proviron isn;t as suppressive as straight test, it will suppress over time and does not help in recuperating HPTA. It will delay it somewhat.

One advantage is that it can be used toward the end of a cycle to harden up and into PCT to maintain libido with "less" suppression. Though I have to say, with SARMS and UNLEASHED, Proviron is becoming an antiquated drug. UNLEASHED will increase free testosterone almost as well, also by lowering SHBG as is the case with Proviron.

On my last bloodtest my total T was 920 and my free T was 500. That's pretty damn good for an old fart. That's just from 100 mgs of enth and UNLEASHED every day.

SARMS will maintain more muscle than Proviron and the suppression is about equal. (Some will say SARMS isn't suppressive, but again, it's dose and duration related).

great info. I need to check out the SARMS. Been reading posts about it.

 

[bluetoolpaul]

Instead of PCT you should be using the HCG now,,500 iu every 5 days DURING your cycle.

Yup Yup.

 

[warrior08]

hey nelson i know you said low dosage of HCG is point less would you consider 1000iu eod for 10 days enough? and do u think it would be a good idea to add some proivron for the last 2 weeks of my cycle and into my pct to hard up my gains abit? thanks

 

[warrior08]

o yea i also plan on adding an ECA stack next week to my cycle. Would this cuase any problems?? im going to run it for 6 to 8weeks so it would go into my pct.