some help with hcg please

[Thom]

hey
I've got no first hand experience with HCG and I need some info.
Lets pretend that I've been on AAS for a year and I'm shut down hard. I'm on the last day with, say, winstrol, so I would have started clomid tomorrow. I hate clomid and nolvadex makes me feel like shit too so my PCT will be Tribulus, Tongkat Ali and 4-5 weeks with IGF1 lr3.
I have not used HCG during cycle.
How would you implement HCG into my PCT now (timing, dosage etc)? Would it make much difference if I didn't use the HCG?

I know I probably should use clomid/nolva, but leave that subject alone please.

thanks for any answers
thom

 

[nydj66]

You're in for a long recovery any way you slice it. I would definitely use HCG; 1,500IU M,W,F for 3 weeks. Then order some cialis so you can get it up for the next month and a half.

 

[Thom]

do I need antiestrogen with HCG?
Is there anything else I have to know about it that you can think of?
any sides to HCG?

thanks

 

[taoiron]

do I need antiestrogen with HCG?
Is there anything else I have to know about it that you can think of?
any sides to HCG?

thanks

You ABSOLUTELY need an anti E with HCG!! It can cause gyno all by itself!! But it sure kicks the boys back in!

 

[Thom]

So how what and how much of it do I need for 1,500IU M,W,F for 3 weeks?
does it have to be nolva, or can I use an antiaromatase (arimidex i.e)

 

[taoiron]

So how what and how much of it do I need for 1,500IU M,W,F for 3 weeks?
does it have to be nolva, or can I use an antiaromatase (arimidex i.e)

Sure…. The 1500 MWF sounds fine. I use Nolva and Clomid for PCT. I use HCG my entire cycle at low dosages! While on I use liquid Dex .5 eod and 20 mg Nolva every day!

 

[fenix777]

What makes you feel like a crying bi*** is the clomid, add some Nolva/HCG to your pct and the right time for recovery and you will be fine, nolva does not have that effect in you, just trow the clomid away.

Good luck bro.

 

[nydj66]

So how what and how much of it do I need for 1,500IU M,W,F for 3 weeks?
does it have to be nolva, or can I use an antiaromatase (arimidex i.e)

An AI will prevent gyno but nolvadex will also and has the advantage that it prevents leydig cell desensitization from HCG.

I've run HCG without an Anti-E and never had a gyno issue. I started using 20mg/day with HCG after the study was pointed out to me regarding the anti-desensitization properties of nolvadex.

 

[bigtravis]

if you are shut down. hcg every 4-5 days, first two shots are 5000iu, 2nd two are 2500iu, 3rd two are 1500iu. and do the clomid at 100ed for 2 weeks, then say 50ed for the next 2-3 weeks. wouldn't hurt to do nolva. either.

 

[turbogreek]

if you are shut down. hcg every 4-5 days, first two shots are 5000iu, 2nd two are 2500iu, 3rd two are 1500iu. and do the clomid at 100ed for 2 weeks, then say 50ed for the next 2-3 weeks. wouldn't hurt to do nolva. either.

wow...everything i've read in the past has said not to use hcg @more than 1500iu per shot.

 

[Thom]

alright I'd use nolva then. But nolva makes me feel like shit also, believe me.
and it actually makes me retain water (yes it's an unusual side effect, but I've read that it's possible).

 

[nydj66]

wow...everything i've read in the past has said not to use hcg @more than 1500iu per shot.

From Organon's website regarding HCG:

Dosage in the male:
Hypogonadotrophic hypogonadism
1000-2000 I.U. Pregnyl, two to three times per week. If the main complaint is subfertility, additional doses of an FSH-containing preparation (75 I.U. FSH) daily or two to three times a week, may be given. This treatment should be continued for at least three months before any improvement in spermatogenesis can be expected. During this treatment testosterone replacement therapy should be suspended. Once achieved, the improvement may sometimes be maintained by hCG alone.

 

[turbogreek]

From Organon's website regarding HCG:

Dosage in the male:
Hypogonadotrophic hypogonadism
1000-2000 I.U. Pregnyl, two to three times per week. If the main complaint is subfertility, additional doses of an FSH-containing preparation (75 I.U. FSH) daily or two to three times a week, may be given. This treatment should be continued for at least three months before any improvement in spermatogenesis can be expected. During this treatment testosterone replacement therapy should be suspended. Once achieved, the improvement may sometimes be maintained by hCG alone.

thanx for the info DJ