Some bullshit myths imho

[needtogetaas]

People blame clomid but its not justified. They feel like shit because they are off cycle and the zits are from hormonal flux of being off. Not the clomid. And the reported visions problems from clomid come from being on clomid for over a year. Again, like I said. People will say they had vision problems on day one, these are the same guys who blew up off of fake gear. Also, erections and sex drive will always be a problem with some of the guys when they come off. Shit you go from 1000mgs of test and fucking 8 times a days to nothing. Its unavoidable. The best thing we can do is limit that time. But there will be a short period where it sucks. There is no way around it.

And as far as certified info. Well its Galaxy certified and I approve this message..........I said it was just some of my honest opinions bro. By no means is it the holy grail, but I am pretty confident I look damn good and do know what Im talking about and have read these boards for over 8 years and some things have sunk in.

Didnt mean to strike a cord with your dermacrine/sustain thingy needto. Didnt even have you in mind. I was thinking more of another supposed gurus addition of exemastane and vitamin e.

But since you mention the dermacrin thing I will say that in probably a couple years if history holds true on these boards, we probably will see a new improved dermacrine or there will be something entirely new being sold on elite. I guess that could be #12.lol

Witch only proves that the need to replace clomid is there. Hmmmmmm your not really defending this very well bro. If it was so great no one would ever use any thing else. ya advertising can get some one to try something but to use a old chef term I tell all my employees. It takes a life time to keep a customer, but it only takes them one time to be unsatisfied to lose them. Think about that.

 

[needtogetaas]

But these are my rules and my opinions. I didnt say they were protocols , just some honest thoughts.

I find your post very interesting however needto. Keep up the great work dog.

I like you to bro,Always have. You know that. Thats why I am just talking here. We love something to talk about things here at ef, and I like how the thread has been with out flaming.

 

[galaxy]

Honestly i just figured the dermacrine was the newest thing being pushed here on elitefitness so I didnt pay much attention to it. So many things come and go over nite Ive just tuned it out. Plus, Im on steroids for life. My pcp doc gives me 150mgs enanthate a week, so I would have no need for dermacrine. Again, never even gave your dermacrine a thought, but you make some interesting points.

I was hoping other members on the boards would makes some posts about what they felt were myths that just continually get perpetuated on the boards.

 

[needtogetaas]

Honestly i just figured the dermacrine was the newest thing being pushed here on elitefitness so I didnt pay much attention to it. So many things come and go over nite Ive just tuned it out. Plus, Im on steroids for life. My pcp doc gives me 150mgs enanthate a week, so I would have no need for dermacrine. Again, never even gave your dermacrine a thought, but you make some interesting points.

I was hoping other members on the boards would makes some posts about what they felt were myths that just continually get perpetuated on the boards.

Well I think the myth that clomid is so great and works for every one is bullshit..


how about that?

I love you bro I was going to go t bed, but now I am up in this dame thread.

 

[nzrodney]

Some good points. Agree that test e can be "felt" in the body after 1-2 weeks. I believe that users are often looking for the "wham" factor, which does not happen as its a more of a gradual progression. Disagree with using clomid & nolva as the only effective PCT protocol. Have commented on other threads on this.

 

[ceo]

1. Test takes 4 weeks to kick in- I can feel test enanthate working in days. Im not saying Im blowing up, all kinds of massive and shit, Im just saying I notice increased erections and better pumps.

2. You need a fancy PCT - post cycle therapy - regimen- Nothing works better than 3 weeks of HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - with nolvadex followed by another 3 weeks of clomid. Clenbuterul can be used also. And you dont need to time all this stuff just perfect. Just start it at the end of your cycle. Being all concerned about which day is a waste of time. This whole PCT craze is just a bunch of people trying to reinvent the wheel and adding in there own fancy crap , and thats all its really worth, crap.

3. Split your Dianabol - methandrostenolone - dose into 4 times a day- You really think Ronnie Coleman is concerned about this? Just get it in you. Dont matter when, your just splitting hairs.

4. Dbol only cycles are a waste and for pussys- Hey, if you dont want to use needles, I dont blame you. Hell, I said the same thing myself ages ago. Anyway, I made great gains and kept most of them on just Dianabol - methandrostenolone - . I just lost some water. Of course everyone is different and you may lose more.

5. What gear is good for retaining gains- This one makes me nuts. Listen, you will only maintain what your body is naturally able to maintain. If your genetic allow you to keep 250lbs of musle than thats what you will keep. If your only able to keep 200lbs than that is what you will keep. NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO!.......Sure some steroids cause you to crash harder and this can lead to losing gains, but in the end your only gonna keep what you naturally can and no steroid creates some MAGICAL muscle that is more easily retained. Also, if your still not close too your genetic potential then you will continue to keep most of your gains as long as you keep you lifting, rest, and diet in check

6. Anavar is safe- Ok, thats total bullshit. Anavar put my hdl in the toilet quicker than a sea gulls digestive system. Not to mention destroyed my joints. But if your intent on using anavar use it with some creatine to help the joints.

7. Primobolan is the best steroid- Another total bullshit claim. Its pure garbage and way overpriced. Remember the pricey juice is pricey because there is less androgenic properties, thus less bloat, but with todays anti e's bloat has never been easier to control. A low dose of test with a mild low dose of arimidex is a much better choice for gains and much easier on the wallet. THE ONLY BENEFIT OF Primobolan - methenolone - IS IN A CALORIE RESTRICTED DIET. Thats why it was popular back in the day. Arnold and Franco didnt have aromatase inhibitors and had to watch that shit a little more closely.

8. IGF for musle gains- I still havent seen the photos of members blowing up on this shit so Im still not buying it. Remember we have board members in this community who blew up off bogus Tweak labs gear. The mind and placebo is a very powerful and confusing thing. Just watch what you read and take it with a grain of salt.

9. NPP - Nandrolone PhenylPropionate - and Oral Turanabol- Ok why? Again, more people trying to reinvent the wheel. Nothing beats Test, Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - and Dianabol - methandrostenolone - for bulking, followed by some Winstrol - stanozolol to help progesterone sides from the Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - . And again the gold standard for cutting is Finaplix - trenbolone acetate - , testosterone propionate and Winstrol - stanozolol. If you gonna do a show then add some halo. Again, nothing fancy just basic stuff. I guess boring stuff. But, being we have the internet were always trying to come up with something better. I just think we lose a little site of the basics and what really works. NOT TO MENTION ALOT OF SUPPOSED GURUS WHO DO MORE TYPING THAN WORKING OUT. Just dont complicate this stuff is all Im saying. DIET, HEAVY LIFTING AND RESTING. Throw in some Test, Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - and Dianabol - methandrostenolone - and your good. If you need to replace the Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - , do it with Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - .

10. RECEPTOR CLEANING OUT- You dont need to come off to keep making gains. However you will reach a point that you do need to up doses to continue making gains. Again, this comes down to a genetic thing and you body will only be able to get so big on 1000mgs of test no matter what you do. I dont think this myth is perpetuated too much anymore anyway. This is more of a gym myth still.

11. Clomid makes you cum like a porn star- Not this cat, but its not like Ive done scientific research to back the claim. HCG does work for me tho.

12. High post count means knowledge- HAHA....That means nothing. Tells me someone has far too much time on there hands and does more typing than lifting. Really tho, Im just jealous of them that they have that kind of time.

13. Female on chat says she hasnt had sex in 3 months- This is like a typical standard answer. I know generally we multiply by three when a female tells us how many she has slept with. Not sure on this one, but I know its a complete crock of shit. And trust me, if she sent you nudes, there are about 10 other dudes who got em too.

Anyway, just some of my opinions. Agree or disagree, it dont really matter to me. Its just the internet. A place for us all to grandstand and feel were all the life of the party.

Agreed.

Like the "fancy cycles" people are all on nowadays with 5-6-7-8 different compunds...people do the same with PCT.

I just think it's not necessary. It's funny to see someone on a Test./deca./dbol. cycle make better gains that someone on a cycle with 8 of the "latest, greatest" types of gear. Then the person on the simple cycle will run HCG and proviron -or- aromasin -or- nolvadex, and keep a greater % of their gains than the person running 6 drugs/compunds for PCT.

Reminds me of the old "cycles for pennies" thread. LOL.

 

[Nelson Montana]

1. Test takes 4 weeks to kick in- I can feel test enanthate working in days. Im not saying Im blowing up, all kinds of massive and shit, Im just saying I notice increased erections and better pumps.
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EXCUSE THE CAPS. IT'S FOR CLARITY AND SPEED.

AS FOR THIS FIRST POINT, I'VE ALWAYS SAID THIS. TEST KICKS IN WITHIN HOURS AND CAN BE FELT IN A FEW DAYS.


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2. You need a fancy PCT - post cycle therapy - regimen- Nothing works better than 3 weeks of HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - with nolvadex followed by another 3 weeks of clomid.

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MAYBE FOR YOU. I COULDN'T DISAGREE MORE. THAT'S TOO LONG TO USE HC G, AND NOLVA IS NEXT TO WORTLESS AS A PC DRUG AND CLOMID DOEN'T WORK FOR HALF THE PEOPLE WHO USE IT AND IT HAS NASTY SIDES. THERE ARE SIMPLY BETTER. SAFER AND MORE EFFECTIVE METHODS OF PC T.


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Clenbuterul can be used also.

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THAT'S JUST WRONG. CLEN DOES NOTING TO RESTORE HPTA OR PREVENT CATABOLISM. IF FACT, IT'S CATABOLIC.


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And you dont need to time all this stuff just perfect. Just start it at the end of your cycle. Being all concerned about which day is a waste of time. This whole PCT craze is just a bunch of people trying to reinvent the wheel and adding in there own fancy crap , and thats all its really worth, crap.

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I THINK THAT TIMING OF MANY THINGS IS OVERRATED, INCLUDING NUTRIENTS.


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3. Split your Dianabol - methandrostenolone - dose into 4 times a day- You really think Ronnie Coleman is concerned about this? Just get it in you. Dont matter when, your just splitting hairs.

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WELL, IF YOU WANT TO USE AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE AND HAVE AS EVEN A LEVEL AS POSSIBLE, THEN YES. IF IT'S JUST A PART OF MANY OTHER HIGH DOSAGES OF DRUGS, THEN NO, IT DOESN;T MATTER MUCH.

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4. Dbol only cycles are a waste and for pussys- Hey, if you dont want to use needles, I dont blame you. Hell, I said the same thing myself ages ago. Anyway, I made great gains and kept most of them on just Dianabol - methandrostenolone - . I just lost some water. Of course everyone is different and you may lose more.

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AGREED.


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5. What gear is good for retaining gains- This one makes me nuts. Listen, you will only maintain what your body is naturally able to maintain. If your genetic allow you to keep 250lbs of musle than thats what you will keep. If your only able to keep 200lbs than that is what you will keep. NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO!.......Sure some steroids cause you to crash harder and this can lead to losing gains, but in the end your only gonna keep what you naturally can and no steroid creates some MAGICAL muscle that is more easily retained. Also, if your still not close too your genetic potential then you will continue to keep most of your gains as long as you keep you lifting, rest, and diet in check

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DEBATABLE BUT VALID.


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6. Anavar is safe- Ok, thats total bullshit. Anavar put my hdl in the toilet quicker than a sea gulls digestive system. Not to mention destroyed my joints. But if your intent on using anavar use it with some creatine to help the joints.

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HAVE SAID THIS MANY TIMES.


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7. Primobolan is the best steroid- Another total bullshit claim. Its pure garbage and way overpriced. Remember the pricey juice is pricey because there is less androgenic properties, thus less bloat, but with todays anti e's bloat has never been easier to control. A low dose of test with a mild low dose of arimidex is a much better choice for gains and much easier on the wallet. THE ONLY BENEFIT OF Primobolan - methenolone - IS IN A CALORIE RESTRICTED DIET. Thats why it was popular back in the day. Arnold and Franco didnt have aromatase inhibitors and had to watch that shit a little more closely.

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PRIMO IS AS PERFECT AS A STEROID CAN BE IN REGARD TO THE RISK/BENEFIT RATIO. BUT IT'S TRUE, TOO MANY PEOPLE JUDGE A PARTICULAR SUBSTANCE INCORRECTLY.


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8. IGF for musle gains- I still havent seen the photos of members blowing up on this shit so Im still not buying it. Remember we have board members in this community who blew up off bogus Tweak labs gear. The mind and placebo is a very powerful and confusing thing. Just watch what you read and take it with a grain of salt.

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FAR TOO DANGEROUS FOR QUESTIONABLE BENEFIT. I'D ADD INSULIN AND GH TO THAT AS WELL.

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9. NPP - Nandrolone PhenylPropionate - and Oral Turanabol- Ok why? Again, more people trying to reinvent the wheel. Nothing beats Test, Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - and Dianabol - methandrostenolone - for bulking, followed by some Winstrol - stanozolol to help progesterone sides from the Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate -


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DECA SUCKS. IT'S AN OUTDATED DRUG WITH FAR TOO MANY SIDES.




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. And again the gold standard for cutting is Finaplix - trenbolone acetate -

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DRAMATIC RESULTS. DRAMATIC NEGATIVE SIDES. NO THANKS.


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, testosterone propionate


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ANOTHER OUTDATED DRUG. NO BENEFIT OVER ETH.


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and Winstrol - stanozolol. If you gonna do a show then add some halo. Again, nothing fancy just basic stuff. I guess boring stuff. But, being we have the internet were always trying to come up with something better. I just think we lose a little site of the basics and what really works. NOT TO MENTION ALOT OF SUPPOSED GURUS WHO DO MORE TYPING THAN WORKING OUT.

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ESPECIALLY ON BB.COM : )


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Just dont complicate this stuff is all Im saying. DIET, HEAVY LIFTING AND RESTING. Throw in some Test, Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - and Dianabol - methandrostenolone - and your good. If you need to replace the Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - , do it with Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - .

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PERSONAL OPINION. NEITHER RIGHT OR WRONG.


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10. RECEPTOR CLEANING OUT- You dont need to come off to keep making gains. However you will reach a point that you do need to up doses to continue making gains. Again, this comes down to a genetic thing and you body will only be able to get so big on 1000mgs of test no matter what you do. I dont think this myth is perpetuated too much anymore anyway. This is more of a gym myth still.

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YOU NEED TO COME OFF IF YOU WANT A WORKING HPTA WHEN YOU'RE 35.


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11. Clomid makes you cum like a porn star- Not this cat, but its not like Ive done scientific research to back the claim. HCG does work for me tho.

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AGREED. WISHFUL THINKING. PLACEBO. RUMOR. CLOMID ACTUALLY DECREASES EJACULATE IN MANY PEOPLE.

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12. High post count means knowledge- HAHA....That means nothing. Tells me someone has far too much time on there hands and does more typing than lifting. Really tho, Im just jealous of them that they have that kind of time.

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HIGH POST COUNT JUST MEANS THE PERSON IS DEDICATED TO THE SITE. WHEN SOMEONE WITH 4 POSTS STARTS TALKING SHIT, THEY HAVEN'T EARNED THAT RIGHT. THAT'S ALL IT MEANS TO ME.


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13. Female on chat says she hasnt had sex in 3 months-

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WHAT'S HER NUMBER?


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This is like a typical standard answer. I know generally we multiply by three when a female tells us how many she has slept with. Not sure on this one, but I know its a complete crock of shit. And trust me, if she sent you nudes, there are about 10 other dudes who got em too.

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OH, SHE'S TRYING TO SOLICITE? WHAT'S THIS HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING?

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Anyway, just some of my opinions. Agree or disagree, it dont really matter to me. Its just the internet. A place for us all to grandstand and feel were all the life of the party.

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LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE, THERE'S SOME GOOD, SOME BAD. PROCESS, PONDER, USE WHAT MAKES SENSE, DISCARD THE REST. EVEN THIS.

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[wzkid]

Love the post Nelson!

 

[Mac173]

Good post, I pretty much agree w/ all of it.

Good to have Galaxy around again.

 

[gslben]

Galaxy has the best posts on this board, period.