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smmprincess

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I've lost 55 lbs over 3 years. I've been at my currant weight for almost a year now although it flucuates 3-4 lbs. which drives me crazy! Im 5'10",116 lbs, 10% body fat, 32/26/34.5.

I hit the gym 5 days a week. Everyday 30-60 minutes of moderate to intense cardio and 3 days of weight training.

I eat a pretty clean diet
1 cup egg whites- breakfast
apple after workout
4 oz turkey on 1 piece of sprouted grain bread
yogurt or cottage cheese
lots of veggies and lean meat for dinner with either quinoa or ww pasta

dont get me wrong I do cheat! i'm only human. I usually cheat with salty foods like crackers or peanut butter...I can't even have it in the house I have NO control!!

OK so even after doing all this and only weighing 116 I still have an ugly roll of fat on my stomach. I has to go. I want to loose 2 inches off my waist. Up to this point it's been impossible. So thats why I'm here. I need help!! Where should I start???? Any suggestions?? I'm open to anything!
 
No offense but you're almost 6' tall and just barely over 100 lb??? 10% bodyfat? Wow.... and you want to lose 2".... Wow....

I'm personally kinda confused -- can you post up some pictures or something? First I think you are starving yourself and it sounds like you don't have any muscle? Hun, seriously, not wanting to sound like I'm attacking at all but I compete in amateur bodybuilding at 7% bodyfat and its pure misery getting down to that but I only maintain it for a couple of days. I'm not saying you arent' that, but generally I don't think its healthy to be below 12% for any period of time --- that's a general guideline but I think that you might want to take another look at your goals. You don't need to be starved down to look good. A little extra weight w/ some muscle looks a helluva lot better than less weight and no muscle --- thus you get your marathon runner / skinnyfat look....


What is the context for your goals? Are you modeling or what? I'm just pretty baffled about what you are trying to accomplish -- I get you want to get rid of the little rolls, but I think you could be a lot healthier and look better with a little more muscle and then any fat that you do have looks better.
 
I know it sounds a little crazy maybe?? But seriously I have a lot of fat on my stomach. More than you would think for my measurements. I have a small frame. Maybe I just don't have any muscle? I can't lift my own body weight.I do weight train and have for 3 years. I do eat 1800-2000 calories a day. Never less. Thats why I'm here. Maybe I'm just crazy?!? I'll try to post some pics.


Sassy69 said:
No offense but you're almost 6' tall and just barely over 100 lb??? 10% bodyfat? Wow.... and you want to lose 2".... Wow....

I'm personally kinda confused -- can you post up some pictures or something? First I think you are starving yourself and it sounds like you don't have any muscle? Hun, seriously, not wanting to sound like I'm attacking at all but I compete in amateur bodybuilding at 7% bodyfat and its pure misery getting down to that but I only maintain it for a couple of days. I'm not saying you arent' that, but generally I don't think its healthy to be below 12% for any period of time --- that's a general guideline but I think that you might want to take another look at your goals. You don't need to be starved down to look good. A little extra weight w/ some muscle looks a helluva lot better than less weight and no muscle --- thus you get your marathon runner / skinnyfat look....


What is the context for your goals? Are you modeling or what? I'm just pretty baffled about what you are trying to accomplish -- I get you want to get rid of the little rolls, but I think you could be a lot healthier and look better with a little more muscle and then any fat that you do have looks better.
 
Phew - I'm glad you are eating a lot but essentially you have no muscle -- its not that you are fat - you have no muscle. Bodyfat is a ratio of lean muscle mass to bodyfat --- just to illustrate how that number (bodyfat ratio) can be the same (nearly the same) number with completely different body composition -- take a peak at The Short One's avatar -- that's what a short, muscular 12% bodyfat looks like. Not much fat there at all - but lots of muscle.

For you I would look more at changing the composition of your body instead of "losing fat". The stuff around your stomach is hard to get rid of as you are female and that tends to be where estrogen likes to deposit fat -- we don't like how it looks but its a survival tactic that nature has established to help increase the chances of bearing and delivering a healthy baby.

You posted up an outline of your diet - can you put a day's meal plan into a food counts program like www.fitday.com so we can see specifically what the total calories are as well as the macronutrient breakdown. My guess is that your protein is very low so you don't have the stuff to build muscle in your diet. If we can start w/ that I'm sure we can put together a program that will get to the goals you want.

Also you mention that you get weight fluctuations of 3-4 lb & it drives you nuts - I think you shoudl throw out your scale. IMO weight is useless as a measure if you don't draw the correct conclusions from it - your weight is a measure of the bone, muscle mass, fat mass and water in your body -- water content can easily fluctuate up to 10 lb over the course of a day or a few days based on what you eat, if its that time of the month or many other things. If you actually get upset because the number on teh scale changed a few lbs then you really need to just toss it out. Its almost irrelevant. In your case the trend is that your weight is very stable around an avg weight. The fluctuations are just a natural part of your body going thru its daily functions. A change does not mean you "got fat".

Also can you post up your training schedule - again so we can talk in specifics and not make guesses at generalizations or things that you may or may not be doing and I'm absolutely sure you can get your routines optimized for your goals.
 
I know I have no muscle! I have been working on it though for 3 years!! I even worked with a trainer for a few months. I do eat protien. at least 100 g per day. I religiously eat egg whites in the morning. I entered my daily diet into the site you recommended but i can't seem to uplaod the file or add an attachment of it.
I'm not looking to loose anymore weight but I do want to loose the belly fat. I weight train at least 30-45 min. 3 times per week. I am a cardio junkie. I can't function without it. I'm at a loss I feel like I'm doing all the right things but not seeing any results. :evil: :evil:
 
Well like I said - you need to find the right adjustment to what you are doing to get to the result you want. I don't think you can do uploads or attachments in fitday.com - you have to just enter things manually - you would only need to do it once and then copy / paste or just type what it says into a post here -- w/o that detail I personally woudlnt' be able to make any reasonable comment on what you are doing. Im sorry if it sounds like we're asking for you to do more work, but w/o that detail all the general statements you are making doesn't really give me anything to work with.

If you are a hard-gainer, then maybe you need to do a bulking cycle first and not worry about any bodyfat you gain just so you can get your muscle mass going. Also how much cardio do you do? If its a lot, then you need to make a change in what you "think" you need to do -- too much cardio is catabolic - there's no way around it. 100 g protein - that's probably not enough -- consider eating AT LEAST 1 -1.2 x your weight in grams of protein.

See - you are doing many different things that sound like they should be doign something but since you aren't happy w/ where you are at, something needs to change.

But again, unless we have the specific details I can't tell you anything about how you might be able to change things.
 
Hey, thanks so much for your help!!! So, heres what I had time to do....maybe this will give you a better idea.
How long have you been ding this and what body type do you have. I'm just long and lanky....



Calories Eaten Today
grams cals %total
Total: 1770
Fat: 51 461 27%
Sat: 19 174 10%
Poly: 10 90 5%
Mono: 16 143 8%
Carbs: 187 668 39%
Fiber: 20 0 0%
Protein: 145 579 34%
Alcohol: 0 0 0%


1 cup Egg, white only, cooked
20 oz Coffee, regular, NS as to ground or instant
1 large Apple, raw
4oz Turkey, light meat, roasted, skin not eaten
1 slice Bread, multigrain
2 TBSP Coffee Mate Sugar free creamer
2 tspMustard, prepared, yellow
2 tbspKetchup
1 cup Yogurt, plain, nonfat milk
1 smallBanana, raw
3 cups Mixed salad greens, raw
6oz Chicken, boneless, NS as to part, roasted, light or dark meat, skin not eaten
1 cup cooked Rice, brown, cooked, regular, fat not added in cooking
2 tbp Peanut butter
1 tbsp agave
2 tbsp Fruit dressing, made with fruit juice and cream
1 pouch Coffee and cocoa (mocha), made from powdered instant mix, with whitener and low calorie sweetener
 
Its sorta weird - I can't figure out where all the calories are coming from to get nearly 1800.. but anyway -- I think you need more protein first of all - you are close but if you are a hardgainer I'm guessing you can handle more than 30% protein very easily.

Seriously I'd be really interested to see what happens if you followed the Shadow Project - check the stickies at the top of the board for details about it - and if you PM me an email address I can send you the documents listed in the sticky - the site I keep trying to host them at doesn't work very well.

Basically that diet will keep you probably near to your current total calories, but changes the macronutrient ratios a little bit to 40% protein / 30% carbs / 30% fats (you are currently more like 30/40/30).

You said you lift 3 days /week -- have you been following the same routine or do you change it up? Also I don't really have a feel for the intensity of your lifts so that would be a place to focus during your routines. I think mostly you just aren't eating enough protein to support muscle building in general. Also can you tell us how much cardio you do? For you it might take a little change of mindset to step back from doign a lot of cardio and instead putting your energy into lifting and doing just some maintainence cardio to keep things tight. Even though you love doing cardio, I think its exactly that cardio that is doign a lot to keep you from building muscle, in addition to not enough protein.

I'd follow the Shadow Project for 3 weeks and see how you feel - you can always change what you do - but you need to do soemthing other than what you are doing and to verify if any change is really doign anything you need to be consistent w/ it and let it run for 3 weeks anyway. You can consider it a challenge to see what it does because it is probably a bit different from what you are used to but I can point to several different ladies w/ different bodytypes who have gotten fantastic results from it.
 
I excercise 4-5 days a week. 30 - 60 min of mod. to intense cardio ( usually 40 - 45 min). I weight train for about a half hour.
I have a hard time pushing myself sometimes. How much time is reasonable to spend on weights (busy schedule!! like everyone else right?)

I'm doing something Ive never done before. Im going to the gym and heading straight for the weights. I'm going to try switching it up. 45- hour weights and 2-3 days a week HIIT. Its going to be a huge change for me but I need to gain muscle. I've looked over the shadow project and eventually I'm going to jump into that but I need to spend more time (time, whats that LOL) to look at it.

The past three days Ive been eating real clean
7A coffee with sugar free coffee mate
1/2 c egg whites
1 sprouted grain bread
2 tbs spoon unsweetened ketchup
tiny amt SF jam
10A Plain yogurt
4oz turkey
apple
1P 1 c cottage sheese
apple
3P either protien bar...22 g protien 330 kcals or 6 oz turkey or fish
5p 3 cups salad w/ lots veggies
SF dressing
2 oz protien
7p 3oz turkey w/ mustard


I've gained 2 pounds since I started which freaks me out (yes, I'm a slave to the scale but it DID help me loose 55 lbs!)

Does anyone have any suggestions. I want to gain a few pounds of muscle and loose the roll of fat around the middle.
If Im diligent about how long do you think till I start seeing results.(I'm a should have done it yesterday kinda girl..)
 
smmprincess said:
I excercise 4-5 days a week. 30 - 60 min of mod. to intense cardio ( usually 40 - 45 min). I weight train for about a half hour.
I have a hard time pushing myself sometimes. How much time is reasonable to spend on weights (busy schedule!! like everyone else right?)


Don't worry about the time spent on weights but rather what you do w/ the time. You have 30-60 min for cardio -- which IMO is way too much for where you are at and what you want to accomplish. A guideline is to figure 3 exercises per bodypart, 3 sets per each exercise of 8-12 reps per set. That can give you an idea -- Usually if I'm doing 2 muscle groups together I will do one heavier / more and the other lighter / less and then reverse them on the next day Im' scheduled to do those bodyparts together. That way you can work both of them but not over work either. (That's just one way to approach... but the point is to give an idea of a way to quantify "how much" to do.) Or look at a couple days of the Shadow Project and use that as a guide to count the total number of reps / sets / exercises roughly for one day's workout. But time-wise, generally expect 45 - 60 minutes. I find I take a little longer on leg day but it usually ends up about 45 min (excluding talk time, waiting for eqpt, etc.) But don't cut your workout short or anything because of the time it takes (unless u do have to leave) - the point is to make the most of the time and to do your scheduled workout. Keep it intense, don't sit around and chat, etc. But also as you do the workout more, you will be able to speed up, get more comfortable w/ the different moves, etc. And always push yourself --- even ask for a spot if you need it -- that's always the way I challenged myself -- can i keep my form tight and complete at least 8 tight reps? Eventually you start to see just how strong the body (esp the female body!) can be.

I'm doing something Ive never done before. Im going to the gym and heading straight for the weights. I'm going to try switching it up. 45- hour weights and 2-3 days a week HIIT. Its going to be a huge change for me but I need to gain muscle. I've looked over the shadow project and eventually I'm going to jump into that but I need to spend more time (time, whats that LOL) to look at it.

Its always wild when you change how you are comfortable doign things - trust me -- I've been WEIGHT lifting for 25 yrs. I LOVE IT. Its addictive. I get off on how much I can lift and what my body can do and how it looks. It gives me a stress outlet like nothing else does. And I feel COMFORTABLE in the gym. Like its my natural environment. And yet I really need to do cardio now. I"ve got enough recurring aches & pains that I can't lift heavy unless I schedule a trip to my chiro & massage therapist to push everything back into place. And I detest cardio. And that's really all I should be doign at this point. BLAHHHHHH! LOL So yes I do understand! IMO however, cardio is cardio is cardio. Its fairly boring & repetitive. LIfting, however, presents a hyuge variety of exercises and challenges to keep it interesting. (I"m sure other people thing lifting is more boring than watching paint dry...) But its different and like I said - if you give it 3 weeks of honest effort, you'll see results. Anyone can give a commitment of 3 weeks to try something new. (I will continue telling myself that as well....!!!!)

But what you are doing is exactly what you should do to get where you want to go. The cardio is going to be your enemy because what it produces is exactly contradictory to what your goals are. And its more important to fuel for and train for what your goals are. You can always go back to the cardio or modify it again some other way later but for now you have a different goal that you will not meet if you keep doing an hr of cardio every day.

I've gained 2 pounds since I started which freaks me out (yes, I'm a slave to the scale but it DID help me loose 55 lbs!)

This is one of the big mental challenges of "fitness" - the scale is not an accurate measure of "goals" and because we've been raised to consider an accurate measure, we draw many of the wrong conclusions from it that can actually affect how we feel about ourselves. Some people can deal w/ it, some can't. Feel free to use the scale, but please remember what it is telling you - a 2 lb change can be from water. And what does that imply about you as a person? You are now a 'fat ass'? Hardly. Its water for cripessake. :)

If you want to use that number in a meaningful way then also get your bodyfat done or pay attention to how your clothes fit - e.g. -- tight in the waist, loose in the waist? Tighter in the quads / legs? etc. That gives you an indication of WHAT that weight is made up of -- muscle or fat or water. That's really what's important.

Does anyone have any suggestions. I want to gain a few pounds of muscle and loose the roll of fat around the middle.
If Im diligent about how long do you think till I start seeing results.(I'm a should have done it yesterday kinda girl..)


What you are doign is exactly correct. Give it 3 weeks just to see what the change in diet & trainign can do. It takes 2-3 weeks for your body to show distinct changes due to diet & training - you can see transient changes over a couple days' time but that can easily be water or your body recovering from training or whatever. It really takes 2-3 weeks for any significant change in your daily life to show itself.

The other mental challenge is to not get ahead of yourself and start digging around for quicky changes. Someone may say - sure you can drop 10 lb in a week --- well yes you can -- you can do a water depletion, do a crapload of cardio and take a diuretic like dandelion root and drop 10 lb of water weight in a week - physique competitors do it all the time for competition -- but they EXPECT to rebound a couple days later - always remember that your body deals in trying to maintain an equilibrium - that's why it takes a couple weeks of makign adjustments in your diet & routine, letting your body receive those changes and accommodate them and slowly adjust itself up or down to respond to consistent changes. Any wild changes (i.e. yoyo dieting) will result in a forced response for a while, but then your body will eventually so "nope I can't support this anymore, I ain't gonna do it, screw you, we're doing what I say now" and then your metabolism slows down, you start to not loose weight anymore, probably start to gain weight or get sick, feel like shit and end up worse off than when you started.

And w/ the 2-3 week thing- its important to give what ever you are trying a real 2-3 week change to work - if you get impatient and start changing other things you won't really know what works or may again stall your progress by introducing conflicting components of diet / training because someone said "do this - you'll get quick results". Your body can't respond consistently to conflicting messages so it will either freak out or just stall and do nothing.

I think you are completely heading in the right direction -- your goal is to build muscle -- don't worry about the bodyfat -- that will take care of itself in the process. Focus on teh GAINING part first. That means:
- eat (aka "fuel") for your goal -- that means enough protein to support muscle growth - AT LEAST 1.2 x your bodyweight in grams of good protein -- and in the mix of your diet it should come out about 40% of your total -- protein / fats / carbs. Also get enough good quality fats & carbs to support the energy needed to lift. If you feel tired or can't sleep well w/ the change in training, look first at your carbs - make sure you are getting enough complex carbs and when you eat them to fuel your training & recovery.

- training - LIFT! Don't be scared of it. Make it your own. Women so often cheat themselves out of strength because they think only sweaty musclebound meatheads use the free weights and women are supposed to circuit train. BULLSHIT!!!!!! Make that gym YOURS! :)

- Cardio -- just a little - even the switch to HIIT will be a different sort of challenge. You may also notice a change in how your body responds to it instead of steadystate.

- Enjoy it! Sometimes the day to day changes can be frustrating but if you focus on noticing how your body responds to each day's program -- i.e. its an experiment -- and it isn't over until 3 weeks from now. See how you feel, your energy levels, how well you sleep, etc. Its all very interesting to watch because you are making changes to the very fundamental things that make up you & your body -- your moods, how efficeintly your body burns energy and builds itself. Its really an amazing machine when you treat it the way it wants to be treated because it wants to run efficiently!
 
Thanks Sassy!!!! YOur awesome!!!!!

So what do you think about coffee and SF powder creamer.I guess I should ask what do you think of art. sweetner and insulin levels? I've heard they can couse spikes? Does anyone know anything about it? I just started drinking coffee and the fixins again about two months ago after cutting it out of my diet 3 years ago and I'm not sure if that one of the reasons why I'm gaining weight back and my damn clothes don't fit or what???
 
smmprincess said:
Thanks Sassy!!!! YOur awesome!!!!!

So what do you think about coffee and SF powder creamer.I guess I should ask what do you think of art. sweetner and insulin levels? I've heard they can couse spikes? Does anyone know anything about it? I just started drinking coffee and the fixins again about two months ago after cutting it out of my diet 3 years ago and I'm not sure if that one of the reasons why I'm gaining weight back and my damn clothes don't fit or what???


I think the worst thing about the artificial sweeteners is that they make you want more.. which can result in eating more junk ... which makes u fatter. When I was contest prepping I sort of enjoyed 1 big fat cup of coffee each morning w/ some Splenda just to have one normal part of my day related to "food". Too much coffee gets me way too wired and too much Splenda always leaves a nasty aftertaste when I stop - for ex I'll go in cycles of drinking lots of diet coke and then none at all -- coming "off" I start to "detox" that shit out of my body and I get that nasty aftertaste.

I think just like anything else, artificial sweeteners in moderation won't hurt you - a good and consistent diet should be able to support most anything like that in moderation. If you load up your coffee w/ sugar & cream then I'd bet that's a problem but a cup or two of coffee for the most part won't hurt anything. Some people prefer to clear out their diets completely and stick to water, but a little bit is probably ok.
 
BTW, hoteacher introduced me to flavored stevia as amazing coffee sweeteners as well. I think you can find them like at Whole Foods Market in little dropper bottles.
 
Thanks! Ill check it out. I use regular stevia right now. What do you do for a quicker recovery time? On days that I lift heavy I'm just shot. Its effort to hit the brakes in my car :verygood: But For the first time today I did not do cardio!!! and holy crap I'm sore!!! yeah!!! Feels good.
 
Hi there! So Ive been at it for about 10 days now. Ive been eating about 1700-1850 cals per day. 50% protein,30% carb 20% fat.

Im only doing 2-3 days cardio per week and I ve cut it down to 20 min. Ive started HIIT but its going to take a little bit before Im comfortable running that fast on a treadmill...im getting there

IVE UPPED MY WEIGHTS 5 lbs on most everything!!! Its the first time in a long time Ive had to ADD weight.

I feel lazy not doing that much cardio.....
 
smmprincess said:
Hi there! So Ive been at it for about 10 days now. Ive been eating about 1700-1850 cals per day. 50% protein,30% carb 20% fat.

Im only doing 2-3 days cardio per week and I ve cut it down to 20 min. Ive started HIIT but its going to take a little bit before Im comfortable running that fast on a treadmill...im getting there

IVE UPPED MY WEIGHTS 5 lbs on most everything!!! Its the first time in a long time Ive had to ADD weight.

I feel lazy not doing that much cardio.....


Congrats! Just like trying to switch from more lifting to more cardio -its conditioning. Take the energy you have and put it into lifting! You should be seriously dragging ass by the time you get out of the gym!
 
:wavey: Hi SMM!! Welcome to EF!!

Sorry I'm late in checking out your thread - Sassy knows a TON & is certainly steering you in the right direction it seems.....with your clean eating plan and the weights - you really don't need to do that much cardio....

And one question - the "rolls" around your stomach - WHEN are they there?? All the time? do you have a Dunlap over your pants? Or just when you sit down?
 
When I sit... sometimes when I stand...I know some of it has to with with having had 2 big kids!! And having been overweight at one time. Im just really focused on steel tight abs...washboard style. Ill get there! Hey thanks for checkin in!!!
Ive been drinking about 4-5 scoops of protein powder a day. Is that excessive? Its just so easy to down a shake when your busy....

jenscats5 said:
:wavey: Hi SMM!! Welcome to EF!!

Sorry I'm late in checking out your thread - Sassy knows a TON & is certainly steering you in the right direction it seems.....with your clean eating plan and the weights - you really don't need to do that much cardio....

And one question - the "rolls" around your stomach - WHEN are they there?? All the time? do you have a Dunlap over your pants? Or just when you sit down?
 
Hey SMM!! Well done on yr progress so far!!

Keep it up and keep logging!!! Great pics BTW.. Stomach looks great..!!!
 
thanks!
So for today..
shoulders
lateral raise x3
upright row x3
rear delt row x3

tri's
dip stable on ball x3
skull crushers x3
tri extension x3

abs
my trainer gave me a killer workout in cluding 6 excercises
HIIT
im going to try HIIT on the elliptical today

I think I need to up cals more scale said 115 this AM

I still cant fiqure out right amout of calories...
 
smmprincess said:
When I sit... sometimes when I stand...I know some of it has to with with having had 2 big kids!! And having been overweight at one time. Im just really focused on steel tight abs...washboard style. Ill get there! Hey thanks for checkin in!!!
Ive been drinking about 4-5 scoops of protein powder a day. Is that excessive? Its just so easy to down a shake when your busy....

Well based on your pictures - I don't see a lot of "grab" so to speak......remember that when you sit your skin will fold over, causing a "roll" which is normal - you can't prevent that......

It's possible after kids to have some loose skin - but you don't look like you have a whole lot.....A lot of those low-rise pants cause love handles too cuz of where the waistband sits.....
 
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