sleep aids

[RussianRocket]

BS
The very rare case of liver damage were due to poor quality kava-kava

Kava-kava has been used for years (centuries ?) in some tropical islands ans is certainly less dangerous that most sleep drugs

lol Anthrax you have a rep for recommending everything everyone else says to avoid.

 

[*MissFit*]

It's defiantely not ignorance. GHB well at least in Canada for the most part is not clean and drinking battery acid or coolant is not my idea of safe

This is the exact ignorance I'm speaking of. Dangerous? GHB has no toxicity to the human body. It is safer than alcohol and even Tylenol.

"We do not need to have “GHB madness” become a permanent part of our culture as law. We do not need to disenfranchise patients, impair the practice of medicine, and drive citizens to obtain their food supplements in the drug underground." -Dr. Ward Dean

It has no physical addiction effects. There is no physical withdrawl. I've been on practically every SSRI, SNRI, and MAOI. And many benzos. Now, they have some very real physcial widthdrawl.

I have been using it (GHB) for years, multiple times, daily. I can (and do) stop for short or extended periods of time, at any time.

If there is any possibility addiction it is simply pyschological. The same people that would become addicted to it would probably be addicted to many other things. It would be better to be addicted to something non-toxic (which GHB is - even at high doses). There are no deaths directly related to GHB and no long-term negative effects. If you "over-dose" you sleep - really well. Then you wake up. Simple as that. It is when adding CNS depressants, or pre-exsisting conditions/complications is when it may cause a problem. I would much rather take something natural and non-toxic like GHB than any current anti-convulsant/ benzo daily for my condition.

As has been emphasized, the overall safety of GHB is well-established, and no deaths attributable to GHB have been reported over the thirty year period that this compound has been in use [Vickers, 1969; Chin and Kreutzer, 1992]. Unlike a large proportion of other drugs including alcohol and even Tylenol, GHB has no toxic effects on the liver, kidney or other organs [Vickers, 1969; Chin and Kreutzer, 1992]. One program of sleep therapy using six to eight grams daily for a period of eight to ten days produced no side effects. Vickers [1969] even reports that doses as high as twenty to thirty grams per twenty-four hour period have been used for several days without negative consequences In the Canadian studies of narcolepsy mentioned earlier, the nightly use of two to six teaspoons (one teaspoon equaling roughly 2.5 grams) for several years resulted in no reports of long-term adverse effects, or problems with issues of addiction or dependence. In one of these studies, one patient inadvertently ingested fifteen teaspoons without adverse consequence “other than deep sedation and headache the next day” [Chin and Kreutzer, 1992]. And in France, sub-anesthetic oral doses were used by “a large number of patients for about six years” without untoward effect [Laborit, 1972].

 

[anthrax]

lol Anthrax you have a rep for recommending everything everyone else says to avoid.

Actually a lot of people are taking kava

I've even read yesterday that Britney Spears was taking some kava drink to get pregnant

 

[anthrax]

BTW, do you know if it matters wheter you take melatonin on a full stomach ?
(I may try the sublingual form)

[I take it along with a huge pre-bed shake]

 

[TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT]

i never get enough sleep. for example last night i am exhausted but can't fall asleep until 2am i take a sonata 10 sleeping pill the doc prescribed and i wake up after only 6 hours of sleep. other nights i wake up at least 3 times throughout the night. i need more sleep my job requires i be very alert, my body needs mre sleep to grow. i need sleep. help!!!!

Clonazepam

 

[MikeMartial]

Anyone able to get some sublingual melatonin in Canada? I haven't seen any in the stores yet. Tried splitting a 3mg capsule and taking about half under the tongue---didn't work worth a shit. Sublingual must be molecularly different.

 

[Morb]

This is the exact ignorance I'm speaking of. Dangerous? GHB has no toxicity to the human body. It is safer than alcohol and even Tylenol.

"We do not need to have “GHB madness” become a permanent part of our culture as law. We do not need to disenfranchise patients, impair the practice of medicine, and drive citizens to obtain their food supplements in the drug underground." -Dr. Ward Dean

It has no physical addiction effects. There is no physical withdrawl. I've been on practically every SSRI, SNRI, and MAOI. And many benzos. Now, they have some very real physcial widthdrawl.

I have been using it (GHB) for years, multiple times, daily. I can (and do) stop for short or extended periods of time, at any time.

If there is any possibility addiction it is simply pyschological. The same people that would become addicted to it would probably be addicted to many other things. It would be better to be addicted to something non-toxic (which GHB is - even at high doses). There are no deaths directly related to GHB and no long-term negative effects. If you "over-dose" you sleep - really well. Then you wake up. Simple as that. It is when adding CNS depressants, or pre-exsisting conditions/complications is when it may cause a problem. I would much rather take something natural and non-toxic like GHB than any current anti-convulsant/ benzo daily for my condition.

As has been emphasized, the overall safety of GHB is well-established, and no deaths attributable to GHB have been reported over the thirty year period that this compound has been in use [Vickers, 1969; Chin and Kreutzer, 1992]. Unlike a large proportion of other drugs including alcohol and even Tylenol, GHB has no toxic effects on the liver, kidney or other organs [Vickers, 1969; Chin and Kreutzer, 1992]. One program of sleep therapy using six to eight grams daily for a period of eight to ten days produced no side effects. Vickers [1969] even reports that doses as high as twenty to thirty grams per twenty-four hour period have been used for several days without negative consequences In the Canadian studies of narcolepsy mentioned earlier, the nightly use of two to six teaspoons (one teaspoon equaling roughly 2.5 grams) for several years resulted in no reports of long-term adverse effects, or problems with issues of addiction or dependence. In one of these studies, one patient inadvertently ingested fifteen teaspoons without adverse consequence “other than deep sedation and headache the next day” [Chin and Kreutzer, 1992]. And in France, sub-anesthetic oral doses were used by “a large number of patients for about six years” without untoward effect [Laborit, 1972].

Gamma butyrolactone (GBL) diluted in water is often sold as GHB. GBL is fully converted to GHB in the body within minutes, but has the nasty habit of acidifying your bodily fluids in the process. The acidification (clinically called acidosis) has the habit of imbalancing potassium levels and leaching calcium from your bones, resulting in bone aches (typically in the leg/knee area).

Even if what you have is GHB in water, GHB and GBL exist in a chemical equilibrium in water (meaning if you have one dissolved in water, the other will start to form). Even if what was dissolved in water was initially GHB, over time around 33% of it will convert back to GBL.



what say you about ghb acidosis?

 

[deltreefitness]

Gamma butyrolactone (GBL) diluted in water is often sold as GHB. GBL is fully converted to GHB in the body within minutes, but has the nasty habit of acidifying your bodily fluids in the process. The acidification (clinically called acidosis) has the habit of imbalancing potassium levels and leaching calcium from your bones, resulting in bone aches (typically in the leg/knee area).

Even if what you have is GHB in water, GHB and GBL exist in a chemical equilibrium in water (meaning if you have one dissolved in water, the other will start to form). Even if what was dissolved in water was initially GHB, over time around 33% of it will convert back to GBL.



what say you about ghb acidosis?

It is GHB sodium. AKA Sodium Oxybate. A powder diluted in water. Pharmacuetical grade.

 

[Lowest]

I'll say that, for me, klonopin was the best sleep-aid I ever used... damn I wish I still had a script for it!

 

[PnsNv]

Take it from someone who is an Authority on G.....stay the FUCK away from it.

"If taken with moderation it is actually not bad for your health" the problem with that satement is that a lot of dead people said the same thing. You see there is a very THIN line between the dosage for relaxation/Sleep(GBL 1 dram vial, GHB 2 dram) and death(GBL 2 dram vial, GHB 2x 2 dram). GHB has put many people through a living hell and has sent many to their maker. Its killed 3 of my good friends. I used to take it to help me sleep while I was on growth but it didn't take long before I mastered the dosage and was just taking it for the euphoria. That shit wrapped its grip around me and thats all I'm saying....other than seizures, comas, hospitals, DUI's, police and funerals all of which you will learn about if you choose to it pick up.

"A wise man learns from his mistakes, I wiser man learns from others"

Good luck

If you can't handle it, stay away from it. That's why your a "FknKnuckleHd" and I have a "Pns 2 Nv". I used G every night for 3 years. First rule of pharmaceuticals: Know your dosages. The graveyard's are full of idiots who didn't follow that rule. Sorry about your friends, but if you overdose, you're a dumbass. End of Story!

I didn't use it to go to raves, drive my car, work out... I used it to get into Deep REM sleep (where Growth Hormone is released, a pleasant side effect) instantly.

It's great stuff. I was able to sleep 4 hours a night instead of 8 for the whole time and felt great. I made my own, so I was sure of the purity and strength. Had to stop when Daniel Pelchat was popped. No withdrawals, just don't sleep as well.

If you can get your hands on some GBL, make your own GHB and your sleep worries will be over.

Chucklehead, even fire is dangerous in the wrong hands, but left up to pussies like you, we'd all be freezing our asses off at night.