Sir Nelson Montana

[silver_shadow]

having used deca and phen prop- i'd prefer the latter only bcoz of the fact that it is a shorter ester. however, i would imagine that nandrolone is nandrolone just like test is test. as far as i know npp does remain detectable for 12mths as against 18mths for deca. a big difference but still a long time. so i would imagine that it can have an influence much later just as deca. i haven't experienced deca dick thankfully.

 

[BigAndy69]

Many of you would be surprised to find out how much of a difference an ester can make.

Deca is so terrible for some people mainly because they are sensitive to nandrolone, but also because Deca is so hard to get out of your system and it has a very pronounced cumulative effect.

Shooting 500mg of Deca a week, by the time it stabilises (w4-5) you have ~1300mg of actual nandrolone in your body

It took 4-5 weeks to reach stable blood levels and if you realise then that it's giving you too many problems, it takes a full 3-6 weeks to clear your system completely.

Most of us are limited to 200-300mg of Deca a week.

We say to newbies, do a 200mg of Deca a week. Good advice maybe, but the truth is, 200mg of deca shoot every week will build up quite a level of nandrolone in the body.

So 200-300mg of Deca a week is not a weak cycle. It's an inefficient, potent cycle, not comparable to 200-300mg of Test which is fairly weaker in terms of anabolism.

So what about NPP?

Almost a completely different drug, fast acting, you reach full level quickly and it clears quickly.

It allows you to bypass the waiting period and clearing period of deca (3-4 weeks at beginning and tail end of cycle) So you can get to the proper effective dose right away and you can control it since it is fast acting.

IMO, it's the best drug in terms of benefit/risk ratio I've ever used

 

[granby140]

what does nelson have to say about this?

 

[Anakin]

Good post by Bigandy.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Many of you would be surprised to find out how much of a difference an ester can make.

Deca is so terrible for some people mainly because they are sensitive to nandrolone, but also because Deca is so hard to get out of your system and it has a very pronounced cumulative effect.

Shooting 500mg of Deca a week, by the time it stabilises (w4-5) you have ~1300mg of actual nandrolone in your body

It took 4-5 weeks to reach stable blood levels and if you realise then that it's giving you too many problems, it takes a full 3-6 weeks to clear your system completely.

Most of us are limited to 200-300mg of Deca a week.

We say to newbies, do a 200mg of Deca a week. Good advice maybe, but the truth is, 200mg of deca shoot every week will build up quite a level of nandrolone in the body.

So 200-300mg of Deca a week is not a weak cycle. It's an inefficient, potent cycle, not comparable to 200-300mg of Test which is fairly weaker in terms of anabolism.

So what about NPP?

Almost a completely different drug, fast acting, you reach full level quickly and it clears quickly.

It allows you to bypass the waiting period and clearing period of deca (3-4 weeks at beginning and tail end of cycle) So you can get to the proper effective dose right away and you can control it since it is fast acting.

IMO, it's the best drug in terms of benefit/risk ratio I've ever used

I agree with every post on this thread, except this one.


No flame bro. Just a difference of opinion.

 

[genarr3]

I agree with every post on this thread, except this one.


No flame bro. Just a difference of opinion.

Please elaborate ....

 

[Nelson Montana]

Well, Deca is Deca. It's not unlike prop or cyp -- a short acting ester has advantages and disadvantages.
I disagree with Andy on several points.

First of all, the statement that it takes 4-5 weeks to "stabilize" is pure fantasy. There's no such thing.

Actually, I agree that 300 mgs of Deca is more anabolic than 300 ms of test.


NPP will clear more quickly, but enough metabolites can remain to test positive long afterward. (If that's a concern) I can't say for sure if it will be as long as decanoate. That's an interesting question. My guess is "probably not". At any rate, all the problems of Deca still exist.

The best risk/benefit ratio of any drug? I think it's one of the worst in regard to libido, which means everything to me, but apparently some guys have no problem sacrificing it. I don't get it. It used to be that guys got muscle so they can get MORE pussy. Now they get less pussy in order to get more muscle. When did everything go horribly wrong?

 

[Waynegro]

Isn't that the truth. Something has gone terribly wrong here. I know my path has not been altered though. ;P

 

[BigAndy69]

Well, Deca is Deca. It's not unlike prop or cyp -- a short acting ester has advantages and disadvantages.
I disagree with Andy on several points.

First of all, the statement that it takes 4-5 weeks to "stabilize" is pure fantasy. There's no such thing.

Actually, I agree that 300 mgs of Deca is more anabolic than 300 ms of test.


NPP will clear more quickly, but enough metabolites can remain to test positive long afterward. (If that's a concern) I can't say for sure if it will be as long as decanoate. That's an interesting question. My guess is "probably not". At any rate, all the problems of Deca still exist.

The best risk/benefit ratio of any drug? I think it's one of the worst in regard to libido, which means everything to me, but apparently some guys have no problem sacrificing it. I don't get it. It used to be that guys got muscle so they can get MORE pussy. Now they get less pussy in order to get more muscle. When did everything go horribly wrong?

Nelson, it's a simple mathematic equation (actually not very simple).

If you do the math, assuming what we call the "halflife"(which is not the correct term) is 2 weeks. You will see that blood levels become consistent after 3-4 weeks. The longer the "halflife" the longer it takes to reach consistent blood levels.

How much Nandrolone is released after a 500mg deca shot in 1 week?

It's not 500mg, not even close.

" At any rate, all the problems of Deca still exist. "

I agree that some of the same problems associated with Deca are evident with NPP, but the Deconate ester creates a whole set of different problems.

Clearance of Deca is much longer than people think. Sometimes, it can be as much as 6 weeks (for higher doses). If you are using 600mg+ of deca, you should start clomid therapy 6 weeks after your last shot(you can use something in between)

Consequently, people using a significant amount of deca end up doing very long cycles.

Most guys will do PCT after 3-4 weeks but there is a still a significant amount of Nandrolone in there system so it goes to waste.

Their 12 week cycles could end up lasting a total of 16-18 weeks.

And in those 18 weeks, the first 3 and last 4-6 are a somewhat wasted. they are not taking full advantage of there cycles.

With NPP, you can bypass those dead zones and go straight into full cycle whithin the first week. You keep it at 5-8 weeks and recovery is quite easy, much easier than Deca.

Nandrolone plasma levels may stay in the blood for 12-18 months, but they are inactive. It's a similar concept to Marijuana being possible detected for up to 6 months. It's a big deal if you are being tested.

"The best risk/benefit ratio of any drug? I think it's one of the worst in regard to libido, which means everything to me, but apparently some guys have no problem sacrificing it."

I've tried every AAS excluding Tren and Anadrol (Tren will be in my upcoming cycle) and Test gives me the most problems even at 500mg a week. NPP is the best drug for ME, it saves my hair, not all that androgenic and it doesn't effect my sex drive or my mood. 700mg a week and never had problems bouncing back but I use it at the beginning of my cycle.

However, everybody is different.

 

[chaquito]

Nelson: so NPP would still kill your dick?