Sir Nelson Montana

[Nelson Montana]

Okay Andy. That makes more sense to me. i don't agree entirely, but I see where you're coming from. And yes, a short acting ester up front is preferable. What do you stack the Deca with?

chaquito: If you have a problem deca, it will be the same, but the duration may not be as severe

 

[genarr3]

Okay Andy. That makes more sense to me. i don't agree entirely, but I see where you're coming from. And yes, a short acting ester up front is preferable. What do you stack the Deca with?

chaquito: If you have a problem deca, it will be the same, but the duration may not be as severe

Yes that's exactly what I was thinking.

 

[Andy13]

Well, Deca is Deca. It's not unlike prop or cyp -- a short acting ester has advantages and disadvantages.
I disagree with Andy on several points.

The ideas touched upon by BigAndy were, at one point, concepts that I introduced. And in this thread, I could not have expressed these any better myself. So disagreeing with BigAndy is disagreeing with me, as I would have replied with the same remarks. So, if I may, disect your response a little.....

First of all, the statement that it takes 4-5 weeks to "stabilize" is pure fantasy. There's no such thing.

Replace "to stabilize" with "to reach (accumulate) maximal theraputic blood levels, following weekly doses." Of course, there is no such 'ceiling' mathematically speaking, but the practial concept of such an event is undeniable.


Actually, I agree that 300 mgs of Deca is more anabolic than 300 ms of test.

Moot point.


NPP will clear more quickly, but enough metabolites can remain to test positive long afterward. (If that's a concern) I can't say for sure if it will be as long as decanoate.

I challenge you to show me that NPP is testable long after a cycle like deca is.


At any rate, all the problems of Deca still exist.

I disagree. I believe the problems associated with Deca (as far as recovery of natural testosterone) result directly from it's ester. Without having any data, I would guess that users of NPP probably do not experience such problems recovering natural testosterone. Although I believe that mg per mg, nandrolone is more inhibitory than testosterone, I feel this is a non-issue a month or two after a cycle.

Andy

 

[Triple J]

Just to clarify for those who are confused by the terminology being used on this thread, the drugs being compared are nandrolone decanate with nandrolone phenylpropionate. Both are nandrolones but they have different esters, effecting the duration of release of the active component of the drug (nandrolone). As should now be obvious to everyone, Decanate has a much slower release than PP. The generic nandrolone decanate was originally branded as "deca-durabolin" thus it's common nickname "deca". However, "deca" refers to the ester and not the drug itself - other steroids sometimes utilize the decanate ester as well, I think there is even a testosterone available as a decanate ester. With any of those steroids which have the potential for serious side effects, short-acting drugs make more sense as one can easily stop the dosage and be assured that the drug will quickly clear the system. I agree with BA's points here entirely.

 

[anabolicmd]

Great discussion, but whats the answer?

 

[BigAndy69]

Okay Andy. That makes more sense to me. i don't agree entirely, but I see where you're coming from. And yes, a short acting ester up front is preferable. What do you stack the Deca with?

chaquito: If you have a problem deca, it will be the same, but the duration may not be as severe

My last cycle I stacked deca with EQ and low dose Test

200mg of Deca, 300mg of EQ and 100mg of Test every 5 days.

On paper Nelson, I would tend to agree with you about NPP vs Deca (side effect wise)

I'm kind of stuck because Androgens affect me severely. I just have trouble with these drugs.

For years, I stuck to 300mg of Deca a week because anymore and I would have problems. da big thinker was the one who introduced me to NPP. He was telling me how he ran it for 5 weeks and how it was the best drug he's ever used. He was using 525mg a wekk at the time and he bounced right back despite crashing hard with 200mg of Deca a week a few years back.

I thought it was basically the same thing until I tried it. Completely different drug, no deca dick...etc One of the best I've ever used.

Of course if you run it for 14-18 weeks, then you would have the same problems as with deca.

 

[BigAndy69]

Bump, it's a good thread.

 

[pharmguy]

I am thinking that this nandrlone cypionate from Syd is better then decanaote because it isnt quite as long lasting. anyone have any comparison experience?