yeah, idk, there are plenty of dudes around here (you guys who come in at 930pm on friday with your black spandex shirts w/the gold chain hanging out) and hit some flats and preacher curls to get that club pump before you go stand in line outside the bars. i know the use plenty of juice, but most of them might, just might be able to hit 315 on the bench. i can't tell ya how much they SQ or DL, but i can tell you that they do have a mean lat pulldown....i'm kind of ranting, i think....