*sigh*

[jeremys]

sometimes i regret powerlifting instead of training for mass.

get this: at 14 years old, i weighed 235 at probably 16-18% bf. 18.5 in arms pumped, 28 inch thighs. now i bench over 300 after just turning 15 about a month or so ago, but i look like shit and feel horrible. at 18 or 19 y/o, i'd be HUGE. it would also probably be a lot cheaper for me. plus probably a lot more action with the ladies.

they're both fun, but....i dont know anymore

 

[spatts]

Jeremy...I know you've been asking alot about diet lately. I also know that it's hard to know what to do when you're still growing and so young. Your accessory work can be done in a higher rep range to reach failure if you want more size and symmetry. You really CAN have it all with WSB if you tweak it just right. Diet is really key to your concern here. You should not, physically, feel like shit...ever. Is that what you meant? I would seriously look at the nutrient intake you're getting, if so. If I were you I would be shoving as much clean food in my face as possible.

 

[Cobin]

those are some big guns dude, fuck mine are 14 flexed cold and I thought they looked pretty big, fuck you. j/k


I think you should diet down from all the extra weight you put on ( I read the other thread ) , just so you see how you feel about yourself then, if you wanna PL go for it, if not go for mass.

 

[Deciever1]

i think you should diet down.. get yourself to feel better about your self. But continue to powerlift.. you're doing great at it. yes, your lifts will go down, but who cares?

do what you think is best. If yyou must, stop powerlifting and try BBing fora little while. see how that goes

 

[spatts]

You don't have to be fat to be a PLer. That's "old school." PL training has done nothing but make me leaner, but that's because I eat well...most PLers don't. Halbert's not fat. Blakely's not fat. Vogelpohl' not fat.

There's no sense in making a choice between being a PLer and having a nice physique.

 

[jeremys]

i dont mean having a nice physique though. i mean being on the road to getting huge, and almost being there at frickin 14 years old. i have quite a few ugly-ass stretchmarks all over to prove it.

i feel like shit physically and mentally. i did a lot more stuff with people when i looked better. i was a lot more confident. just always had a great feeling knowing what i was at and where i could go. i think its more of an issue of looking very flat and chunky than being just fat. i wouldnt mind if i was huge and holding some fat..its just that i went from a very good size to a big pile of atrophy.

my diet has been like shit because i CANNOT get enough food. when i had 1-2 shakes a day, i grew at an unbelievable rate. now i dont have enough money to buy any powder because i have entry fees and shirts and bands and my own little gym at home(not complete: no squat rack)

if i wanted to BB, i could just go to the school gym and pretend i was using their program, just doing whatever i wanted when nobody was around. soooooooooo much cheaper

 

[spatts]

Perhaps we have different definitions of "getting enough food," but oatmeal is cheap. Taters are CHEAP. Beans are CHEAP. I'm not sure what that has to BB either...I cross compete in BB and eat the same no matter how I'm training.

Stretch marks are a problem, I know. 10 pound baby at 220 pounds...I know. My legs and lower back look like someone tried to scratch me to death with jagged fingernails.

What do you mean, where you were at and where you were going? Do you feel like OTHER PEOPLE don't know/appreciate/understand what you're doing in PL? Is it hard to tell people that you look the way you do for a reason?

I may be able to help you out on the gainer cost issue. I'll shoot you a PM later in the week.

 

[Legion Kreinak]

Well, Jeremy...

I'm not big on gaining mass and being a powerlifter, but I do know how it can be a bitch (also being 15) sticking to your goals sometimes, and not having enough motivation. It breaks down to basically how you feel about yourself. Do you feel you've made progress? Are you proud of what you've done thus far? If so, stick with it. But if you feel the routine getting old, change things up a bit. Variety isn't necessary, as many say. You can train the same way all your life and not have any problems. When people change-up their routine and make even greater gains than before, they claim it's from shocking the muscles. Hardly. I believe it's simply finding the right form of training for you. Remember, we're all individuals, and no one routine will work perfectly for everyone. You have to find exactly what is right for you.

And even if gains aren't optimal, make sure you enjoy it as well. Don't force yourself to do something that'll make you miserable. Enjoy it, and make gains. You'll be much better off in the end, then.

 

[jeremys]

my family, (extended family, mostly) cares and enjoyed watching me compete, and then theres the usual people who know you lift so they say 'whatdya bench?'...thats about it. before, people would actually look twice. i got a LOT of compliments, even from people i've never known. everything was just a lot better. i could have actually seen myself competing in BB in a few years, or at least looking like that

what i mean about not getting enough food is that in school im there for 7 hours and i get 2 meals. one at 7, one at 12:30. there's also barely any food laying around the house. i cant drive so i cant buy my own food. my parents think i only need 3 squares a day

to add to this crap, i shot a doe the other day while hunting. however, it started raining so there was no blood trail. never found it. the fukin thing was laying at the end of our driveway today, lol. all bloated to shit..what a waste

 

[Legion Kreinak]

Haha, that's hilarious (the doe story) but it does suck. You can always run/walk places if they're close. I walk everywhere, but then again I'm in it for endurance, not strength. If not, explain to your parents what training and such means to you, get them to understand you need more food. If they truly care about you and they listen, they should understand. I go through the same shit man, we're the same age.

 

[jeremys]

the thing is, i live 15 miles from town, and my parents dont really give a shit. that's pretty much why i cant wait to drive and get a job. then i can get shit that i need

 

[Legion Kreinak]

Man just make sure you enjoy the job. Don't get a job where you have to finish everything by a certain time (like a deli job) or work in a tele-marketing place no matter how much it pays ('cuz you gotta dial NON-STOP and it's so fuckin' boring)

Get like a catering job, so if no one's there then you either do nothing or stupid busy work like wipe the counter/windows (depending on where you work).

 

[jeremys]

i plan on working at KFC or something. in our town you get either really low discounts or free food if you work there, from what i've heard.

 

[Legion Kreinak]

Well, if free FRIED CHICKEN really a cook thing? Heh.

 

[jeremys]

i think i'm gonna do a chest/bi day tomorrow. see how that goes

 

[rippedtrojan]

goddamn. you are a beast for a 15 year old. either way, with cns training or bb training, you are getting bigger and stronger.

personally if i had the genetic gift you have, i would probably be bb training at this point. save the cns training for after you land a lady (marriage?) and dont' have to worry about how you look so much. you can still get stronger with bb training.

good luck with whatever decision you make bro.

 

[Cobin]

Yea dude, your a beast , I bet you could get those bi's to 20 by 17 if you trained hard enough.

 

[endpoint]

I would kill to be like you.

If i could have my life over again, i would start weight training young.

how are you stats compaired to when you were 14?

are you really worried about the ladies?
I weight just over 250lbs at the moment.........and i can tell you now, it aint all muscle (if you catch my drift) and i tell you now, you can get "action" no matter what you look like. shit i just realised how young you are....when i was your age i was sitting in my room reading stephen king books eating chips.....i didnt even know what a girl was!

do what ever makes you happy though.....other wise it will kill you in the end

 

[Thaibox]

AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

Jeremys, check this out my friend......

When I was your age, I was 6' 130 lbs if that. I could wrap my fingers around my fully flexed upper arm and touch my fingers together. I was ashamed to wear a short sleeve shirt. I was a fucking stick. Now at 27, I've finally gone over 260 lbs. But it took me that long...............27!!!!!!!


By the time you're my age you will be a fucking monster I promise you. Shit, by the time you're old enough to drink you'll make most lifters look like little turds. Don't worry bro, you've got kickass genetics. You're impressive as hell at your age, and you will only continue to improve.

If you continue your level of dedication, you will dominate this game

 

[Aussie Juga naught]

Have u got a pic to back up your stats?

 

[rippedtrojan]

man, it sure would be awesome to have started training sooner (like freshman year of highschool instead of end of senior year) and to have kickass genetics.

 

[abc 1]

got any pics to back up those stats?

 

[jeremys]

i think my attained size are the result of starting training at 11 years old, eating everything in site, and having better-than-average genetics.

i cant diet down. i would lose a lot of the mass i have left because i couldnt get the right amount of protein to keep the little i do have. guess its time to rake leaves so i can buy some powder.

i may get some sort of pics up this week. be it a portrait or a rare opportunity to oogle over my flirtatious flubber, i'll get one. i dont have the size i used to have. my arms are down to a fat 17", and i now have tits if i sit at the right angle. all measurements are down at least an inch and a half and bodyfat and weight are way up. perhaps these can be new 'before' pics.

today, i went and did some lat and upper back work, then i mutilated my bi's. felt so good. spatts, do you think it would work if i had a split like this?:

mon - back/tri's
tue - ME bench, no assistance work
wed - chest/bi's
thur - off
fri - squats then some direct leg work, shoulders
sat - off
sun - DE bench, no assistance work.

i was thinking i could do some form of periodization or a light-heavy split for squats instead of ME and DE work, since it would save me time and money

 

[spatts]

My concern would be lack of hypertrophy due to recovery time (or lack of), and your bench work suffering from being prefatigued by the day before...and of course CNS issues from hitting the sampe muscles again after bench. I dunno, man. Depends on if you are trying to 1RM the max work.

 

[jeremys]

hmm...how about this:

mon - squats, legs
tue - off
wed - ME bench, tri's (alternate 3rm, 1rm every week on ME work)
thur - off
fri - chest, shoulders, bi's
sat - off
sun - DE bench, no assistance work

and do active recovery any time i feel i need it

 

[jeremys]

bump.

i'll look on e-bay tomorrow to try to find some cheap protein

 

[jeremys]

bump for myself, one last time

 

[t3c]

dude, you don't need protein powder

get that bullshit out of your head!


skim milk = 2 bucks
eggs = 2 bucks
huge bag of chicken= 12 bucks
oatmeal= 4 bucks

those are rounded prices hehe

still, you get my point i'm sure

 

[jeremys]

yes, i get the point. but i need something for during school. i ate a PB and J sandwich between classes yesterday and today, and i was late both times. i need something i can guzzle down real quick. i have about 10 cups of milk a day, albeit it's chocolate. maybe i should cut the chocolate and go for regular. heh

 

[Thaibox]

Check out Optimum's 100%whey. Good stuff and cheap

 

[Cobin]

Check out Optimum's 100%whey. Good stuff and cheap

Do not get the Vanilla Ice Cream, that shit sucks, guy sent me the wrong flavor. I add nesquick to it but its still kind of nasty.

Those were some really rounded prices the food I buy as follow:

Bag of chicken 2-3lb 7 bucks
Milk 1 gal 3bucks some odd cents (can't remember)
Dozen eggs 70-80 cents ( I also sometimes get 21/2dozen eggs for 2.19 I think it is, or around there sometimes its on sale wal-mart always has something on sale heh)
Cottage cheese 1-2bucks

This is not all I eat or get, just an example of some cheap things with protein.

Food is cheap if you know what to get, half a cup cottage cheese is 13grams of protein.

My parents will buy me food at request, but I try not to make it to expensive for them because having my own meal plan from everyone else in the house can get really expensive I am sure.

 

[jeremys]

this split i made up wont work. it would be overtraining. i've tried ME today and was too tired to make any PR's

i think i like BB better. it's more rewarding to me. however, if i decide to BB instead of PL, i'll have a bench shirt and about 390 lbs of weights sitting around

 

[Cobin]

You could try and sell the weights and buy protein powder or you could keep it for when you move out and make a nice little home gym. Are the weights olympic?

 

[jeremys]

yes they are olympic. i guess if i go through with BB instead, i'll keep them and try not to let them rust too much

 

[Cobin]

I would keep them, I got standards in my garage but goto a gym, when my membership ends I might try to find a better gym or buy a power rack and olympic weights and workout at home, although its sometimes good to use the machines at the gym for a change up.

 

[jeremys]

yeah, its also good to have people around when you get pinned by a bar. lol, it happens

 

[jeremys]

this might be a little unrelated but the funniest thing i ever saw was a pic of B fold after a cable snapped and he damn near did a cartwheel. priceless

 

[Cobin]

yeah, its also good to have people around when you get pinned by a bar. lol, it happens

Yea thats why I joined a gym mostly, I've been pinned before with spotters, always tell them how you want to be spotted, to many times I have made this mistake. I had one guy lift it off and let go on my max that I've never tested before, that was rough. One guy pulled it up half way for me then let me push. I had an impressive max that day. : )