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Side by side comparison:Testosterone Vs. Winstrol

HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex

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Hey fella's.Digging through my archives and came across this jewel of an abstract-Test and winstrol going head to head as anabolics.Some interesting results to say the least...Test blew away the winstrol in GH/IGF-1 stimulatory capabilities,but winstrol outshined test in nitrogen retention activities.Awesome study...Enjoy.:)

Short-term modulation of the androgen milieu alters pulsatile, but not exercise- or growth hormone (GH)-releasing hormone-stimulated GH secretion in healthy men: impact of gonadal steroid and GH secretory changes on metabolic outcomes.
Fryburg DA, Weltman A, Jahn LA, Weltman JY, Samojlik E, Hintz RL, Veldhuis JD
J Clin Endocrinol Metab 1997 Nov 82:3710-9
J Clin Endocrinol Metab . Volume 82 . Issue 11

Abstract
Gonadal steroids are known to alter GH secretion as well as tissue metabolism. The present study was designed to examine the effects of short term (2- to 3-week) alterations in gonadal steroids on basal pulsatile (nonstimulated) and exercise- and GH-releasing hormone-stimulated GH secretion, urinary nitrogen excretion, and basal and exercise-stimulated oxygen consumption. Two protocols were conducted, which reflect a total of 18 separate studies. In the first paradigm, 5 healthy young men were each studied in a double blind, randomized manner during 3 different gonadal hormone manipulations, in which serum testosterone was varied from hypogonadal (induced by leuprolide) to eugonadal (saline injections) to high levels (testosterone enanthate, 3 mg/kg.week, i.m.). There was a washout period of 8 weeks between treatments. In the second protocol, 3 of the original subjects were studied after 2 weeks of treatment with stanozolol (0.1 mg/kg.day). Two to 3 weeks after the desired changes in serum testosterone, each subject was admitted to the General Clinical Research Center for study. The hypogonadal state (serum testosterone, 33 ng/dL) increased urinary nitrogen loss (by 34%; P < 0.005) and decreased basal metabolic rate (by 12%; P < 0.02) compared with the eugonadal state (testosterone, 796 ng/dL). High dose testosterone (1609 ng/dL) further decreased urinary nitrogen loss over the eugonadal state (by 16%; P < 0.05). Stanozolol yielded the lowest urinary nitrogen excretion of all (P < 0.03). Like urinary nitrogen, the basal metabolic rate showed the greatest change between the hypogonadal and eugonadal states (12%; P < 0.02), with a lesser change during high dose testosterone treatment (4%). Analogously, end-exercise oxygen consumption rose by 11% between the hypogonadal and eugonadal states (P < 0.05). Between the hypogonadal and eugonadal states, no significant changes in pulsatile (nonstimulated), exercise-stimulated, or GRF-stimulated GH secretion or serum insulin-like growth factor I concentrations were observed. Raising testosterone to supraphysiological levels increased pulsatile GH secretion by 62% over that with leuprolide and by 22% over that with saline (P < 0.05). High dose testosterone treatment also increased serum insulin-like growth factor I concentrations by 21% and 34% over those during the eugonadal and hypogonadal states, respectively (P < 0.01). Testosterone did not affect either exercise- or GRF-stimulated GH secretion. In protocol 2, stanozolol did not affect any parameter of GH secretion. To examine the interaction between GH secretion and testosterone on urinary nitrogen excretion and basal metabolic rate, a one-way analysis of covariance was undertaken. Statistical examination of GH production as the covariate and testosterone (by tertile) as the interactive factor demonstrated significant relationships between serum testosterone levels and either urinary nitrogen (P < 0.02) or basal metabolic rate (P < 0.01), but not GH secretion (P = NS). In summary, these results demonstrate that short term modulation of the androgen milieu affects metabolic outcome without necessitating changes in GH secretion. These results have significance for both normal physiology and for the treatment of hypogonadal GH-deficient patients.
 
Also worth note on this study is the comparison of these two on metabolic rate.Test increased BMR by 4% while winstrol ramped it up by 12%,from the hypogonadal to eugonadal phases...Pretty impressive numbers.
 
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Very interesting Huck.......good job. Oh......btw.....most people call me Sawyer.....interesting.
 
great post

I'm sure that this will help alot of folks out , and it realy puts some things into prespective

Thanks bro
 
what was the actual dose per day on winny and test? 3mg/kg a day meaning? 3mg daily or alot more?
 
Huck, hypothetically speaking, what kind of results would you get from a Test, Winstrol, and EQ combination? Size, strength, and reduction in bodyfat???
 
Texas Ranger said:
Huck, hypothetically speaking, what kind of results would you get from a Test, Winstrol, and EQ combination? Size, strength, and reduction in bodyfat???

Size,strength,vascularity(barring one's BF is low enough)and an overall improvement in muscle QUALITY.
 
I've done my studies but this post makes me feel REAL dumb. Does anybody else find that this looks like it's written in Chinese? I don't think anyone that posted here understands exactly what this means.

Huck...your too damn smart for your own good. I can't keep up.

:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
 
Huck, what do you think of this for a FIRST cycle? I'm looking for that big, lean, athletic look. My goal is 15lbs post cycle with a slight reduction in bodyfat. Test@500mgs for 10 weeks, EQ@400mgs for 10 weeks, and Winstrol@50mgs a day for weeks 6-10.
 
Great info Huck. I'm just unclear about a couple of things.

1. Were the guinea pigs similar in body type, size, composition, etc.?

2. Were the Winstrol pigs given equivalent doses as the Testosterone pigs? It looks as though the Test pigs got more Test than the Stanazolol pigs got of Winstrol. Is this so?

3. How and where can I sign up to be a guinea pig in the next study?


This study only confirms what I've always said from past experience......TEST + WINNY = LEAN MUSCLE GROWTH
 
HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex said:
Also worth note on this study is the comparison of these two on metabolic rate.Test increased BMR by 4% while winstrol ramped it up by 12%,from the hypogonadal to eugonadal phases...Pretty impressive numbers.

Let's clear this up a bit....

That actual line is this

"Like urinary nitrogen, the basal metabolic rate showed the greatest change between the hypogonadal and eugonadal states (12%; P < 0.02), with a lesser change during high dose testosterone treatment (4%). "

Let's stop and define hypogonadal and eugonadal

hypogonadal = is the testes not producing sufficient amounts of testosterone, which leads to the development of any number of symptoms...

eugonadal = men who have normal levels of testosterone

In the study they only compare basal metabolism on 3 levels.

Hypoganadal, Eugonadal and with endogenous levels of TEST.

So what this means is men with average levels of test have 12% higher metabolism than men that have below average levels of test.

The High Test users only had a 4% higher metabolism than the normal testosterone group.

I see no mention of winstrol in that sentence.
 
I have read several articles supporting these findings. One other additional piece: Test increases insulin sensitivity in previously diagnosed insulin sensitive patients. (these patients are not necessarily diabetic). If HGH was cheap, there would be no issue. Since HGH is expensive for most people, this type of research is encouraging. I feel that supraphysiologic doses of Test coupled with Aromasin will raise GH/IGF-1 levels, improve basal metabolism, and improve glucose metabolism.
 
Anyone notice that their "high doses" aren't that high at all according to the advice which gets posted on this board?

3mg/kg/week of enanth for me (100kg) would be 300mg/week. And the winstrol would be 10mg/day (0.1mg/kg/day). HMMMmm
 
nice............

huck.......as always you post the some of the most informative info around. another 'cut and paste'.........shit, i may just create a folder titled huck..........:)

Unity66
 
Huck Good post !!! It took DREXX to sorta clear it up for me but I think I got it now, sent both of you soma karma.
 
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